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Nintendo's Profits Fall On Gamecube Sales

Gamasutra reports that Nintendo's sales have dropped 21% compared to last year's numbers, largely on sluggish Gamecube sales. From the article: "Although a significant fall, Nintendo remains the most consistently profitable console hardware manufacturer when also factoring in game sales, especially compared to nearest rival Microsoft, which is estimated to have lost around $4 billion on the Xbox in the last five years. Nintendo officials are sticking to full year forecasts of operating profit of ¥90 billion ($758m), net profit of ¥75 billion ($631m) and sales of ¥400 billion ($3.4bn)."

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  1. Long Term Sales? by Hellad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would be really curious to know what the long term profit of the GameCube were. I know that MS lost 4 billion over the life of the X-Box, I wonder what the fina take will be on the GameCube. Despite being a disappointment for Nintendo (but not for me, I love my GC), I bet it was still made more than X-Box.. I realize of course this comes from MS's ability to sell them at a loss, but with the reported $171 dollar loss per 360, I would be curious to know how long MS will stay in the market before it needs to make some cash off their machines (maybe never?)...

    I am amused that the "doomed" nintendo always manages to make some money off its machine sales, even when sold for a fraction of the price. Oh well, hopefully revolution will help give them te shot in the arm that they, and the industry, need...

    1. Re:Long Term Sales? by ReverendHoss · · Score: 1

      Actually, the numbers make me (Nintendo fanboy) a little nervous.

      While Mario Kart DS and the wireless intiative should boost DS sales, I'm not seeing a blockbuster release for the Gamecube for the holidays. If their profits fall too much right before the Revolution's launch, the story may turn to Nintendo's financial woes and make generating buzz about the new system more difficult.

      Really wish the Zelda ship date hadn't slipped. =(

    2. Re:Long Term Sales? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Almost a 1:1 ratio. Microsoft has lost over 5 Billion and nintendo has made over 5 billion in profit, this generation.

      Sony has made about the same as nintendo but sony has to sell serveral times more. Nintendo has a very streamlined setup.

      What Microsoft is doing is borderline illegal. But Bush is in office so the DOJ will do nothing. Microsoft can lose another 5 billion this generation and not be worse off as a company. They will keep taking a lose till sony and nintendo fold. Then they will charge whatever they want.

      Profit center of each company.
      Microsoft=Office Software
      Sony=VideoGames and Home entertanment(Music,Movies).
      Nintendo=VideoGames only.

    3. Re:Long Term Sales? by falcon5768 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Nintendo has made more profit than both Sony and Microsoft combined actually. Even on release, the Gamecube was sold at a profit, which considering its price being half of what the other systems where (and the system actually being better capabiliy wise than either the Xbox of PS2) was amazing. Add that plus the profit from the games and they have a really large warchest.

      Sony and Microsoft have the money to throw at their machines, BUT they are also taking huge hits whenever they release a system. Nintendo never takes a loss, everything is profit for them. They might not in the end make AS much as the other two, but they dont nearly have the bills either. With the Revolution being estimated at 1/4th the price of both the systems, it doesnt look like Nintendo will be in trouble anytime soon even IF the controller idea doesnt work out.

      Nintendo and Apple very much have the same philosophy toward their systems and it works very well for both of them. People can kick and scream that both are dying, but the sheer amount of money they have in the bank proves that those who say they are are cluless as to how to run a buisness.

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    4. Re:Long Term Sales? by SetupWeasel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nintendo is on forcast. This is a 21% drop in profits from the same time the previous year. Game sales overall are lower, so everyone is expected to make less profit. Nintendo lowered their forcast this year 3 months ago based on the delay of Zelda. Other than that everything is going smoothly.

      Last year was a really good year for Nintendo's profits and they are expecting to make about 4/5th of that this fiscal year in a transitional period for their home console business. Not too bad. Also remember that they are considering all the R&D for the Rev that they are paying for.

      So no, there is nothing for a Nintendo fan to worry about. The game media simply loves blowing anything remotely negative for Nintendo out of proportion.

    5. Re:Long Term Sales? by Shadarr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "I know that MS lost 4 billion over the life of the X-Box, I wonder what the fina take will be on the GameCube. Despite being a disappointment for Nintendo (but not for me, I love my GC), I bet it was still made more than X-Box.."
      I don't really get what you're wondering about. The XBox lost $4 billion over its life cycle, the Gamecube made money. So yes, it made more than the XBox, because it didn't lose money.

      As such I'm not sure that the GameCube was a disappointment for Nintendo. First of all because they have made a profit every single quarter of its release. Secondly, the Gamecube is only about 5% behind the XBox in worldwide install base. XBox is way ahead in North America, but Nintendo is a Japanese company. They are in no way irrelevant or niche, like a NeoGeo or nGage.
    6. Re:Long Term Sales? by edwdig · · Score: 2, Insightful

      With the Revolution being estimated at 1/4th the price of both the systems, it doesnt look like Nintendo will be in trouble anytime soon even IF the controller idea doesnt work out.

      That's just people dreaming. Think about it a little. The GameCube is currently $100. Although Nintendo isn't going to support HD resolutions, they have said the Revolution will have comparable graphics to the other next gen systems at non-HD resolutions. That's still significantly more powerful than the GameCube. The system is also going to have 512 MB of flash memory built in, which will add a bit to the cost. Realisticlly, you'll talking about launching at Nintendo's traditional $200 point.

    7. Re:Long Term Sales? by RoyalBoyle · · Score: 1

      According to Iwata, "It [the Revolution] would be a complete failure if we didn't sell more units than the Nintendo GameCube.". If Gamecube's sales were fine with Nintendo why wouldn't they be fine for the succesor system? The reality is the Gamecube underperformed and Nintendo needs to do better this time around. Nintendo understands this but fans seem to have a tough time accepting it.

    8. Re:Long Term Sales? by Doomstalk · · Score: 1

      Nintendo has made more profit than both Sony and Microsoft combined actually.

      I'm a Nintendo fan myself, but I very much doubt that's the case in overall terms. Yes, Nintendo knows how to pack a lot of punch into a little box, and do it cheaply enough to be profitable even at a low price. That being said, there's more than that to making an overall profit in the video game industry. To use the standard cliche, it's giving away the razor to sell the blades. Sony may lose a lot of money on their hardware, but they've got an incredibly large installed base. And along with that comes more companies interested in making games for their system, as well as paying the licensing fees that make the whole thing worthwhile for the manufacturer. This in turn creates more interest in the console, since it has more games, which grows the installed base even further. Repeat ad inifinitum. If everything goes well, you've got a powerful money making engine on your hands. Sony's been extraordinarily successful at this, as demonstrated by the abundance of PS2 titles available. While Nintendo has certainly done better than Microsoft at this (largely because, as you said, they're the only one who consistently profits on their hardware), the dearth of GC games vis a vis the PS2 games clearly shows that they've got a long way to go before they beat out Sony Computer Entertainment's profitability. Sony's created demand that builds upon itself exponentially, while Nintendo struggles to keep gamers interested in the GC with excellent but woefully infrequent first-party releases.

      A good portion of their woes, as you probably already know, lie in their inability to shake their image as a "kiddie" manufacturer. This is part of the reason they're going the way they are with the Revolution. Their attempts rebuild their image amongst hardcore gamers has fallen largely on deaf ears, and it's not financially feasible for them to battle it out head to head with the titans like Sony and Microsoft. So, rather than go after the traditional market, they're taking on a much more interesting plan- to expand the market beyond its traditional bounds. If they succeed, they'll be able to create a money engine on a much greater scale than Sony's wildest dreams.

    9. Re:Long Term Sales? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      (and the system actually being better capabiliy wise than either the Xbox of PS2)

      Wha-huh? More capability than the Xbox? Or PS2? It can't even play DVDs.

    10. Re:Long Term Sales? by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yea, yea, yea. Can't play DVDs. Not a big deal.

      It's wrong to say it's more powerful than the XBox, it's as powerful as the XBox(at least as far as results not theory). I think the best looking cube game I've seen edges out the best looking XBox game I've seen, but the two systems have roughly comparable results in the whiz-bang graphic category, and both have load times drastically better than the PS2(for different reasons). Go fig.

      Both systems are FAR better performing than the PS2 tho.

      Nvidia v. ATI flameware ensure. Since each company does different things better that's basically what you're doing when you stack the XBox's graphics up against the Cube's.

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    11. Re:Long Term Sales? by TechniMyoko · · Score: 0, Troll
      Nintendo has made more profit than both Sony and Microsoft combined actually

      Actually no. Sony has made more than Nintendo this gen, than Nintendo has in the bank altogether.

    12. Re:Long Term Sales? by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uhh no. You are VERY, VERY wrong. The differences in net profit(the figure that matters) between Nintendo(as a company) and Sony(as a company, all divisions) have been within 10-20 billion yen(within around $100 million at today's exchange rates) for this entire generation. Sony's operation isn't nearly as streamlined as Nintendo's, they make more money, but they spend a lot more money as well.

      At that difference, it would take sony several decades to out-profit Nintendo's multi-billion dollar warchest.

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    13. Re:Long Term Sales? by -kertrats- · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really wish the Zelda ship date hadn't slipped.

      You'd prefer an unfinished game rushed to launch a few weeks early, as opposed to a polished and perfected game? Miyamoto has gone on the record stating he's put more into Twilight Princess than any other Zelda. I don't think I'll mind waiting for it, because in a year it won't matter when it came out; the only thing we'll remember is the quality of the game.

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    14. Re:Long Term Sales? by SScorpio · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As Miyamoto himself said: "A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever".

    15. Re:Long Term Sales? by ReverendHoss · · Score: 1

      "You'd prefer an unfinished game rushed to launch a few weeks early, as opposed to a polished and perfected game?"

      No. If I preferred that, I would have said, "I wish they had just rushed the game out to meet the deadline, rather than polishing and perfecting it." What I did say was "[I] Really wish the Zelda ship date hadn't slipped."

      Saying "I really wish the garbage truck hadn't dinged my fender this morning." does not mean I wish garbage pickup would skip my street. One can lament a situation without inferring that the reasons behind it were not justified.

    16. Re:Long Term Sales? by SetupWeasel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sure the poster is speaking about Sony's and Microsoft's game divisions. Let me put it to you this way. Microsoft has lost so much money on the Xbox that I have made more money than Sony's and Microsoft's game divisions combined over the past four years.

      And no, Sony is not doing as well as you surmise. The GameCube sells a lot of software per console sold. Since they don't subsidize their console, software profit is actual profit. Sony has a 70% stake in the home console business and they regularly report quaterly losses. Nintendo has reported one quarterly loss in fifty years of public trading. The GameCube is profitable. Not super ultra mega profitable, but it makes them money.

      Sony's business model is based on the assumption that they are the far-away leader. Ask yourself this, if Sony does not capture 70% of the market in the next generation, will they turn a profit?

      Sony is the worlds 2nd largest electronics manufacturer. They have movie and music studios and are a major force in the traditional entertainment industry. Nintendo is almost solely a video game company, and they manage to make more than half the profits (overall) of the Sony behemoth.

      Nintendo is a tightly run ship. They know how to make money, and they do it by the truckload.

      Their attempts rebuild their image amongst hardcore gamers has fallen largely on deaf ears, and it's not financially feasible for them to battle it out head to head with the titans like Sony and Microsoft.

      Nintendo keeps more money than Microsoft lost on the Xbox in its entirety liquid. That's right. They have more than 4 billion dollars cash on hand to invest quickly (7.5 billion is the number I could find). Nintendo could play the game that Sony and Microsoft has started, but what would be the point? Sony and Microsoft might both lose money in the next generation. Nintendo doesn't care to play a game that no one might win.

    17. Re:Long Term Sales? by SetupWeasel · · Score: 1

      First of all because they have made a profit every single quarter of its release. Secondly, the Gamecube is only about 5% behind the XBox in worldwide install base.

      No, they lost one quarter, the one that ended Dec 31, 2003. It was their frist and only losing quarter in the fifty years they have been publicly traded.

    18. Re:Long Term Sales? by myster0n · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think Iwata would say that even when the gamecube sold as many units as the PS2. If you're creating a system that's supposed to appeal to a lot more people than your current system, in a really big way, then it's a failure if that doesn't happen. Even if, as I said before, your current console sells a metric shitload of units.

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    19. Re:Long Term Sales? by Zangief · · Score: 1

      Maybe never. MS lost 6 billions on the first Xbox, but overall they make around 30 billions each year.

      As long as they can keep those 30 billion coming, this is just a small hit to them.

      Another reason to keep supporting Open Source!

    20. Re:Long Term Sales? by catprog · · Score: 1

      Nintendo has reported one quarterly loss in fifty years of public trading. Nintendo has only reported one quarterly loss since they started in the 1880s(not 50 years)

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    21. Re:Long Term Sales? by SetupWeasel · · Score: 1

      When they were not publicly traded, they were not required to report earnings or lack thereof. So it is not a matter of public record.

    22. Re:Long Term Sales? by BlueHands · · Score: 2, Informative

      You know, when I first read the grand-parent post I assumed he was talking about cost to manufacture,not total price. The total price will likely be around $200, if not exactly $199.99. Hell, I doubt they can do anything else. Everyone is expecting the system at that price point.

      But as far as manufacturing goes, it could be anywhere between 1/3 to 1/4 the cost of the most expensive system with the 1/3 being the most likely. Since Nintendo likes to make a profit on their consoles, the Revolution could cost as little as $150 to make, maybe as "high" as $180. Most people seem to agree that even if the 360 is not a loss leader the PS3 will be which means that the ps3 to make will cost over $400. Here is just one example estimating a production cost on the PS3 at $500.

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    23. Re:Long Term Sales? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even more importantly, their quarterly loss in the past 50 years was because of foreign investments in the American dollar, which fell in value over the past year or two, rather than because the Gamecube was somehow magically losing them money.

    24. Re:Long Term Sales? by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      Nintendo hasn't been publicly traded for 50 years. Snap.

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    25. Re:Long Term Sales? by SetupWeasel · · Score: 1

      My bad, 42 years.

      1962 - In January, listed stock on the second section of the Osaka Stock Exchange and on the Kyoto Stock Exchange.

    26. Re:Long Term Sales? by SetupWeasel · · Score: 1

      Make that 43 years. Duh.

    27. Re:Long Term Sales? by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      Then I guess every console Nintendo has released since the NES has been a failure. Or you could be realistic and take new competition into account rather than labeling anything that doesn't sell as well as the past a failure.

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    28. Re:Long Term Sales? by rooster9 · · Score: 1

      You spent 10 minutes typing that? Let it go man..

    29. Re:Long Term Sales? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Uhh no. You are VERY, VERY wrong.

      Actually you are wrong, and Tenchi is correct. Nintendo made LESS than Sony

    30. Re:Long Term Sales? by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 1

      I uhh, never said they made more. The assertion(which is correct btw) is that Sony in no way made between 4 and 7.5 billion dollars(the amount of liquid assets Nintendo possesses) more than Nintendo did this generation. They didn't. Not even close.

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    31. Re:Long Term Sales? by Doomstalk · · Score: 1

      I think Iwata meant it more on the conceptual level than the buisness level.

    32. Re:Long Term Sales? by PeelBoy · · Score: 1

      Besides it's not like next year is 6 months away. The game will be out in a few months. That isn't too long to wait (for me atleast). We'll have Metroid on the DS to hold us over until then.

      I read somewhere(maybe on slash? I forget) that they might be making the game a Revolution enhanced GameCube game (Meaning it'll be a GameCube game that can take advantage of the new Revolution controller or other features if it's played on that console).

      That will be pretty sweet if it's true.

  2. And remember, folks... by chrisbtoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... that's "profits fell", not "made a loss".

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    1. Re:And remember, folks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      Not only that that, they seem to be right on target to meet their profit forcast. FTA:

      Nintendo's net income for the first half of the financial year was ¥36.6 billion

      Nintendo officials are sticking to full year forecasts of operating profit of ¥90 billion ($758m), net profit of ¥75 billion
      (Emphasis mine)

      So they made almost half of the forcasted income in half the year. Keep in mind that the second half of the year has the Christmas season which brings in more money, so achieving the target is not really far-fetched.

  3. Gasp... by BigDork1001 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Oh noes... a system that's near the end of its life is not selling as well any more. No kidding. At this point if I didn't have a GC at this point I'd probably be holding off for a Revolution which will have full backward compatability.

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    1. Re:Gasp... by johnkoer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, I just bought a GC and I love it. I wanted a new system since my PS2 died on me and I decided $400 + games was too much to spend on the 360. If the revolution is going to be backward compatible then any games I am buying right now, I will still be able to use. Plus there are a lot of $20 games available for the cube. I can tell people I want these games for X-Mas and they won't balk at the cost.

      I'm glad I got the cube and I plan on using it well into the years of the next generation of consoles. I'll probably end up getting a revolution after the first price drop.

    2. Re:Gasp... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      I just got one myself to, althought I also got a qoob sx, atleast I spent some cash on original accessories aswell.

      Got a used chiped xbox with replaced harddrive when they was quite new, but I didn't played much. Can't say I play much on the cube either but atleast I play more, and there are more games I would consider playing.

    3. Re:Gasp... by PeelBoy · · Score: 1

      For about $60 you can get a cube ($60 for a refurb at gamestop you might be able to find used systems for even cheaper) there is almost no reason NOT to get one right now. You can buy a GC now and a Revolution in a year and it would be cheaper than buying even the low end model of 360 right now. You could probably trade the cube in for a Revolution game in a year (if you can it would almost pay for its self) or give it away to a kid in your fam. or something.

      Plus you can find TONS of great games used for the GC for pretty cheap. (Metroid or Resident Evil 4 alone make the system worth buying).

  4. How is the PS2 doing? by DeadBugs · · Score: 1

    Seems like game sales for the PS2 are still going strong. With recent releases of Soul Calibur III and God of War, they seem to be doing well.

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    1. Re:How is the PS2 doing? by Shad_the_protector · · Score: 0

      And FFXII and Kingdom heart2 coming soon, it will keep their sales high even when the PS3 comes out.

    2. Re:How is the PS2 doing? by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

      Umm, there is the new Zelda coming out which will be huge, Mario Party 7 is sold out most everywhere, and a slew of other titles are selling just fine. Just because it doesn't get much coverage doesn't mean it isn't selling... and once Zelda releases Nintendo's profits will be up again.

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  5. NEWSFLASH by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 2, Informative

    Technology-based entertainment products decrease in popularity over time.

  6. I applaud Nintendo by NVP_Radical_Dreamer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I applaud nintendo for being able to pull this off. In an era where console companies are losing money left and right, they are consistantly able to post a profit. I think much of this stems from innovation of their products. Even if they sometimes fail (gb printer, virtual boy, power glove) the times they hit it, and when they do they hit it big. If you remember, they are the ones who pioneered the handheld controller as an alternative to the joy stick. They also pioneered shoulder trigger buttons, analog sticks, rumble feature, OEM wireless, and are now giving a stab at a gyro based contol system.

    You can call them childish or for kids all you like, but there are few people who can say they dont truely enjoy the vast majority of what nintedo has created.

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    1. Re:I applaud Nintendo by Shad_the_protector · · Score: 0

      And also to add, it is still the only console that is not only a cheap-computer just made for game. No online game,etc.

      All you need to enjoy this console is 4 controler, a couple of multiplayer game and a couple of friend to fully enjoy the power of the GC. For more fun, don't sleep during 48Hours before playing to Mario party, Power Tenis or wathever, and you've got the best way to laugh and enjoy a cool gaming party with some friend.

      If you are alone, just take a few of the Single player game, Metroid Prime1-2, Fire emblem and many more. Those may not be the "best" single player game of all time, but many are class A game and deserved to be played.

      This is the array of game type of Nintendo that still made them popular and cheerish for many gamer.

    2. Re:I applaud Nintendo by Erioll · · Score: 4, Informative

      To be perfectly fair, the Power Glove wasn't their failure. I believe it was made by Mattel. I could be wrong on the manufacturer, but it was NOT Nintendo that made that. The other failures though, are of course theirs.

      But the point remains that they are a profitable company making systems and games. They do NOT require "side businesses" to keep them afloat.

    3. Re:I applaud Nintendo by justchris · · Score: 1

      As already mentioned, the Power Glove was made by Mattel, not Nintendo, Nintendo just licensed them to use it with the NES. Also, the Revmote is not a gyro based control system. It does use gyros to detect rotation, but the big deal is that it uses sensors to detect movement in 3d. It uses 2 sensors and some form of triangulation.

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    4. Re:I applaud Nintendo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly the only thing Nintendo is doing is the opposite of Microsoft. They are making a profit in sales at the expense of losing market share.
      I love my Gamecube, but yesterday I couln't find 1 game I wanted to buy (that I didn't already own.)
      Sure, Zelda will be Amazing, but it will have less of an inpact in the middle of the next gen flare.
      I'm surprised Nintendo isn't simply holding it off as a launch title for the Revolution to jump start that console.
      In any case, Nintendo will never recover the market it has lost, but will remain profitable as a niche system.

  7. Once Zelda Releases... by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everyone seems to forget that The Legend of Zelda: The Twilight Princess is yet to debut, which alone will raise profits substantially. Also Mario Party 7 is virtually sold out everywhere right now and is not included in these numbers.

    Nintendo has had a bit of a weak run, but it is ramping up for one hell of a send-off for the console. Profits are just fine, not record-breaking but they are doing just fine compared to some competition. Also, think of current Xbox owners they got barely 4 years and now they have nothing to look forward to without upgrading... at least Nintendo has stuck with the GC till the very end and continues to product top content. I'll take customer loyalty over profit numbers any day.

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    1. Re:Once Zelda Releases... by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 1

      Nintendo may take a games-centric as opposed to platform-centric approach almost all of the time, and that's why a lot of us like what they churn out, but they're still a business. They make sound business decisions, and they almost always make a profit because of that.

      So let's be honest, sending the GCN off with a bang via Twilight Princess is being done as much to up the value-addedness of the rev's backwards compatability as it is being done out of any customer loyalty towards cube purchasers.

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    2. Re:Once Zelda Releases... by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

      Yes, I agree it is not all done just to warm their hearts, but it is still a lot more than MS is doing. Sony always does an OK job here too, but this time around they are dropping the ball a bit.

      The nice thing though is that I can buy Mario Party 7 or Twighlight Princess regardless if I buy a Revolution or not. They are giving people options, and most likely they will have some sort of bonus content built into Zelda when played on the Revolution.

      This is where brand loyalty/fanboy's kill me, they are so loyal to a big corporation that could care less about them. However, that being said, consistently Nintendo has done the most for its customers and if any company would engender loyalty it should be Nintendo. Especially this round where MS/Sony are all about greed/hype/flash/DRM/etc. and Nintendo is trying to appeal to indie developers and the wide spectrum of gamers with a focus on gameplay, design, and value.

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    3. Re:Once Zelda Releases... by justchris · · Score: 1

      Yes, but Twilight Princess currently has a release date set for April 2006 I believe. Nintendo's fiscal year ends March 2006, so it won't help their profitability estimates for the current fiscal year.

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  8. Gamecube sales falling? Not surprising... by Fred+Or+Alive · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...at least from a UK perspective - practically nowhere sells Gamecube stuff anymore. It's been evaporating from retail for over a year, by now it's pretty much specialist games shops (and even some of them appear to be dropping it, the Game in Redditch no longer sells new games[1]). Frankly, I think it's too far gone here for Nintendo to pull the Gamecube out of it's death-dive. Although The Twilight Princess will probably sell well to the people who have bought the Gamecube, but with such a small retail precence, I can't really see Nintendo shifting many more consoles.

    (Isn't the UK on it's own the 3rd biggest market for videogames? )

    Then again Nintendo are good with this money side of things, and they do have the handhelds as a cash-cow. They also have sensible management (who about two years ago had a revaltion that European gamers do tend to notice if a big game is released in the US months / years before a European release, strangley coinciding with the Xbox beginning to get an upper hand in the console race). I'd say they have a fair chance with their weird Revolution thingy, which seems to either be a valiant failure, or the single greatest change in gaming since [Pong / Atari2600 / NES / Megadrive / PlayStation] (or both of course).

    [1] The Game in Redditch is tiny though, I guess bigger stores still sell it.

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    1. Re:Gamecube sales falling? Not surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's not surprising that GC shelf space is dropping - that's happening to everything. Right now, my local GAME carries stuff for:

      PC
      Xbox
      Xbox 360
      PS2
      PS1 (still has half a shelving unit! plus tons of preowned)
      PSP
      GC
      DS
      GBA

      That's 3 more systems than prior to the DS launch. I almost feel sorry for those guys, having to deal with so many products, they'd be glad to phase some out.
      I think the GC and GBA have had their store areas reduced in size by proportionally more than xbox and PS2, but it's not as bad as it looks if you consider the GC in isolation.

    2. Re:Gamecube sales falling? Not surprising... by Shad_the_protector · · Score: 0

      here in canada I'm not seeing store that sells Video game without gamecube game.

    3. Re:Gamecube sales falling? Not surprising... by -kertrats- · · Score: 1

      As a note on regions, Sony has 29% of its revenue coming from Japan, 26% from the US, 21% from Europe, and 24% from the combined rest of the world. Not sure how this factors into your complaints about Europe, but it's significantly smaller than Japan or the US.

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    4. Re:Gamecube sales falling? Not surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also costs the most to sell games there, for a couple reasons:
      Localization in numerous languages and across numerous cultures for a similar population to the US.
      Different standards for power, communications and TV.
      Large number of different regions with different laws, some of which may apply to game sales.

      So yea, all of that, plus typically lower sales, is why Europe is often ignored and refered to as the one region in the world that doesn't matter for video game sales.

    5. Re:Gamecube sales falling? Not surprising... by Fred+Or+Alive · · Score: 1

      Well your figures do show that Europe at least is the 3rd biggest games market. Considering that Nintendo doesn't have any other forms of revenue other than games, they'd surely want to perform as well as possible in as many markets as possible...

      (BTW, do your figures refer to the entirity of Sony, or just Sony Computer Entertainment?)

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    6. Re:Gamecube sales falling? Not surprising... by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 1

      Ehh... I think they'd be best off doing a PAL convert on the US localization for the UK/Australia, while keeping the rest of Europe on the longer schedule. You crazy Europeans and your different standards for everything.

      Simultaneous release outside that simply isn't going to happen w/o significant delays to US/Japanese releases solely to do that. When hitting the US/Japan they only need to localize for 2 cultures/languages. There are how many languages/dialects in Europe? And how many major languages for a similarly sized population? And how many different cultures/nations/laws?

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    7. Re:Gamecube sales falling? Not surprising... by -kertrats- · · Score: 1

      I know Nintendo translates into 7 languages for european games: English, French, Spanish, German, Belgian, Italian, and Dutch.

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    8. Re:Gamecube sales falling? Not surprising... by -kertrats- · · Score: 1

      I believe just the SCEA division, but their financial record was vague on exactly what those figures represented, it may have been everything.

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    9. Re:Gamecube sales falling? Not surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Considering that the GBA is the highest selling unit out of all of those, that would be foolish.

    10. Re:Gamecube sales falling? Not surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't realize there was a language called "Belgian". I thought they spoke French and Dutch in Belgium. Wikipedia seems to confirm that.

    11. Re:Gamecube sales falling? Not surprising... by Fred+Or+Alive · · Score: 1

      Apart from the Belgian language thing, Nintendo don't seem to translate DS games into Dutch either, they claim to be "5 in 1" for languages[1], the DS doesn't even have Dutch as a language option (the Gamecube does).

      As most of my Gamecube games come in UK / English-specific packaging, they don't say what languages they have (ie: Do they bother with Dutch?), and I'm in no hurry to check.

      [1] English, Deutsch, Francais, Espanol, Italiano

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  9. Waiting for the revolution by Sri+Lumpa · · Score: 1

    Got a gamecube when Wind Waker came out and will get a revolution when it comes out (should be able to if it is cheaper than the others, will wait for a price drop otherwise).

    And when I get my hands on a revolution I will give my gamecube to my sister who's got a 5-6 years old boy and a 3-4 year old girl with another kid in the oven and lend them some of my gamecube games (lend as I will still play them once every two or three years) and bring some with me when I visit them (those I keep for myself like Mario Kart or Super Smash Bros)

    If most GC owner do something like that (assuming the BC of the Rev to be good) it could create more sales of GC games when the Rev comes out as I feel they won't feel as dated when the generation hits as the N64/PS1 games did when the current gen arrived.

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    1. Re:Waiting for the revolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow stupid me.. I just realised he said "Factor large prime numbers."

      Well, back to 4th grade for some more reading comprehension skills, I guess.