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Cybercrime More Lucrative Than Drugs

prostoalex writes "Yahoo is reporting that global cybercrime overtook global drug trafficking in terms of revenue this past year. In related news, only 4% of Internet users can flag 100% of phishing e-mails as fraudulent, and Americans filed 207,000 reports on cybercrime to FBI."

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  1. dotCrime Bubbles by fembots · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yeah sure, they'd better party like it is twenty-zero-five, sooner or later they'll run out of idiots like dotcoms ran out of VCs.

    Cybercrime requires constant training, otherwise your hacking skills can be out of date in just a few months. On the contrary, a crowbar-trained criminal can still make a living in today's high-tech security world.

    I foresee in 5-10 years' time, traditional crimes will go mainstream again as many cyber-criminals will be out of jobs^H^H^H^Hcrimes by then.

    1. Re:dotCrime Bubbles by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Insightful
      In 2010, you will probably still be able to send the same sorts of pretty messages pretending to from be J Random AOLer's bank or John Q Public's eBay account, which link you to a site that looks almost excactly the same, and which scrape their email and passwords. The exact same message? Probably not. But take a look at the dozens of Nigerian-419 scams which are still basically unchanged since their inception...

      Petty crime has plenty of 'local' variables like where the police hang out, which places have alarms and electronics, et cetera, but most have similar principles; electronic crimes have different rootkits and different websites to fake and emails to send and addresses to harvest and spam filters to bypass, but again, most have similar principles. Unless you're manufacturing the (crowbar|rootkit/botnet) things won't change much.

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    2. Re:dotCrime Bubbles by darkmeridian · · Score: 3, Informative

      Of course cybercriminals make more money.

      Drug dealers are mostly young people a bad neighborhood who have nothing better to do. There was a study (in the book Freakonomics) that said that the average lifespan of a guy who stayed in the business to be around four years. Four years! And considering all that, the money they made in profit, with the jail time, etc., they made minimum wage. Being a drug dealer, the study found, had a significant degree of status and a lottery chance of being a kingpin. And that's about all they get from it.

      Cybercriminals are sophisticated folks. Many phishers for online brokerages have graduate degrees in finance. (This week's Business Week.) They have capital to invest in their enterprise, too. Of course they're going to make more money and get away with it as compared to drug dealers, even the "high" level ones.

      Anyway, I've been crazily modded down recently in weird ways. Look at my history. What the hell is going on? Someone leave me a message.

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  2. New Slogan: by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny

    Geeks! Now better than junkies.

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  3. Curbing malware and cyberthreats by Sheetrock · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I've been around the Internet for a long time -- since the early 90s in fact -- and am thus quite aware of the ruinous activities it has been subjected to by the typical user since then. You know, things like people popping into a random USENET group and treating it like a tech support line, or in the larger picture basically assuming the entire network is there to serve as some form of entertainment.

    When I started, the USENET application would inform me that my message would be spread across tens of thousands of computers at immeasurable cost as a subtle hint to keep things interesting, and Internet Chat required some basic knowledge of Makefiles and attention to documentation before you could run a client. Frankly, things became unmanageable at the point the Internet was made accessible to anybody with a web browser; anybody who's been around this long knows what I'm talking about.

    It's a short hop to realizing that the problems we're experiencing with virii and worms are the same problem. Intimate knowledge of x86 assembly used to be a requirement -- along with a malcontent-type disposition -- in order to wreak the sort of havoc that today requires fifteen minutes and an Effective VBScript In Fifteen Minutes manual. Every document is now a program, and e-mail doubles as FTP.

    Many experts believe we should raise the barrier of entry by requiring programmers to undergo education, certification, and maybe even an oath to do no harm as part of the certification process if going into a security field. It used to take years to do what kids today can do in months; additionally, a would-be programmer who spends a few months picking up Visual Basic or whatever has hardly learned the fundamentals of programming any more than someone who reads a manual about his DVD player has become a laser engineer. I suggest that the field and the general user experience would be greatly enhanced by limiting access to compilers/assemblers (by means of pricing and with the cooperation of the open source community) and by separating macros or other executable content from documents.

    It makes more sense than trying to go out and educate every user. Think about it; in what other field do we "educate" "users"? We don't try to educate people with electrical outlets and let any curious individual perform as a licensed electrician. We don't "educate" passengers and let anyone who cares be a bus driver give it a try. Why are things always so difficult when it comes to computers?

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    1. Re:Curbing malware and cyberthreats by maelstrom · · Score: 5, Funny

      I agree completely. I've noticed a similar problem on Slashdot which your solution seems to solve nicely. I recommend we limit posting access to all users who have a greater than 3 digit ID. Maybe raising the barrier of entry will prevent me from having to read half cocked ideas like limiting access to compilers.

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    2. Re:Curbing malware and cyberthreats by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Things are so difficult when it comes to computers because people are so insistent on having their own computers for their own data but don't want to learn how keep those computers secure. They are voluntary fools.

      However, I do agree that we have no reason to put executable code in documents.

    3. Re:Curbing malware and cyberthreats by reynaert · · Score: 4, Funny

      I suggest that the field and the general user experience would be greatly enhanced by limiting access to compilers/assemblers

      Hah! I shall SAVE THE WORLD with my carefully hidden away TURBO PASCAL 5.0 floppy!

  4. Oil by Seumas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yet, I bet both of them combined aren't as lucrative when it comes to funding terrorism as hitting your local gas station for a fill-up.

    1. Re:Oil by nycguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I have no love for the regimes of oil-producing countries in the Middle East and South America, the notion that importing less oil will seriously affect the funding of global terrorism is nonsense. According to the 9/11 commission, the attacks on the US were funded with only about $500,000 (link). I would venture that the global "budget" for terrorism is only in the low tens of millions of dollars, which is a drop in the barrel compared to the many billions of dollars oil exporters are making. A better argument for importing less oil is that we should not support the prosperity of regimes that have turned a blind eye on terrorism and that deprive their populations of democratic institutions (even if free democracy might result in theocratic leadership in the short term). However, I think that just working to ensure that the income generated by oil is more evenly distributed among the populations of exporters would go much further toward eliminating terrorism than trying to indirectly strangle the funding of groups that can already do quite a bit of damage on a shoe-string budget.

  5. No new law needed by dada21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Cybercrime pisses off U.S. black market businesses because it outsources a huge income potential to other countries.

    All kidding aside, I don't personally believe in cybercrime. Some cybercrime victims are merely stupid users, and no law can fix them. Other cybercrimes that do disturb one's property should be covered by laws already in place.

    My fear is that defending the cybercrime idea will only help make more wealthy lawyers and give politicians more abusive power.

    1. Re:No new law needed by dada21 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What does your "believing" in it have anything to do with whether it exists?

      Belief means placing trust or confidence in something. I don't believe (trust) that cybercrime exists beyond the basic property crimes we already have laws against.

    2. Re:No new law needed by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't personally believe in cybercrime

      That's like saying you don't believe in wire fraud, or don't believe in insurance scams. The point is that it's a class of criminal activity that wouldn't exist without the internet. The internet doesn't create those crimes, but those particular crimes couldn't exist without it. Just like cars don't cause auto theft, but without which, it wouldn't happen. Do you believe in the theft of automobiles? I don't need to believe in it - it's real no matter what I label it.

      Some cybercrime victims are merely stupid users

      Which users are those? Surely you're not suggesting that people, out of stupidity, inadvertantly transfer their life's savings into an offshore bank account owned by the Russian mob? Or do you mean users that are so dumb that they accidentally go online and have expensive electronics shipped to someone they don't know in the Bronx? Maybe it's stupid users that are so dumb that somehow they cause someone else to get a line of credit with their personal info? Obviously that's all BS... only the actions of the Bad Guys can actually leverage someone's ignorance and steal their money or fraudulently use their ID in the commission of a crime. Again: you don't have to believe in those acts... they're happening all around you, and not just because someone's grandma isn't savvy enough to see through a phishing scheme. The fact of her ignorance doesn't cause the guy in Russia using a zombie machine in Korea to send her that fake e-mail and then run off with her cash or reputation. Her igornance is a weakness, just like the glass windows on your house are a weakness that another sort of criminal easily exploits.

      My fear is that defending the cybercrime idea will only help make more wealthy lawyers and give politicians more abusive power.

      If you're worried about that, then why worry about other compartmentalized flavors of crime? Securities fraud involves some particular methods, practitioners, and types of victims. Enough so that we have a special name for it, even though it's still just basically deceit and theft. If specialized pursuit and prosecution of a certain type of crime is just going to make lawyers rich and politicians abusive, then would you recommend backing off of the guys that ran Enron's investors into the ground because we already have laws against theft and fraud?

      We live in a highly specialized civilization, and need to deal with criminal specialists with specilialized laws and enforcement.

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  6. Dealers tell the media how much they make? by RealisticCanadian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've yet to understand the supposed principle that the Powers That Be or the Media could possibly figure out any kind of accurate figures on illegal activites.

    Dunno 'bout the rest of you guys here, but I never told the police or the press how much profit I made back when I was a small time dealer (can't touch me, young offenders act! :p)

    If I didn't, you can be damn sure that big-time or organized criminals do not share these figures either.

    Neither do the users. (How many crack-heads report the amount they spend on their habit?)

    So what the hell is the premise on which these "statistics" have ever been based on?

    I can think of a few ways to fudge up some statistics about people screwed outta their money on the net, but I can't see a way to truly gauge that either. Again, if I fell for the "send me a grand and I'll send you a million" I sure as hell wouldn't tell anyone I was that stupid.

    Hence, I dub the entire original article as BS, just like the 'War on Drugs' and even the 'War on Spam' /end rant :p

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  7. min wage by Jeffrey+Baker · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to the book Freakonomics, drug dealers make less than the minimum wage, on average. It would not be hard to beat that level of productivity in any undertaking, criminal or not.

    As for the phishing problem, I really don't understand why people fall for those. Your bank, or eBay, or Paypal, will never, ever, ever, ever, ever send you an email asking you to disclose any account information. If those people want to contact you for an important reason, they will either call or send you actual mail. This seems like a simple rule to remember, doesn't it?

  8. Re:I'm in the top 4% !!! by eurleif · · Score: 3, Funny

    Actually, that message wasn't really from your mom, it was a phishing attempt.

  9. 4% is bogus by jhliptak · · Score: 3, Informative

    I took the e-mail test and I "failed" it, identifying two "legitimate" e-mails as bogus. In both of those cases, the explanation said it would better not to follow the links in those two e-mails.

    1. Re:4% is bogus by Agelmar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a real problem in that they expect me to be able to tell just by looking at a screenshot from (what I believe to be) Outlook Express. I can't hover over links to see if the URL matches the displayed text, I can't look at the message source, and I sure as hell can't see the headers. How am I supposed to be able to tell for sure without this? Sure, I can get most of them, but #3,9 for example would be very nice to see the headers of.

  10. Inflated numbers by thinmac · · Score: 3, Interesting

    These numbers are almost certainly very sketchy. They list piracy and stock manipulation as part of the total funds brought in by cybercrime. If they just mean people selling pirated software that's one thing, but if they mean people downloading MP3's, then that's different; nobody makes a dime when someone downloads the newest pop hit off the internet, as much as the record companies would like you to think someone just pocketed $15 of their money.

    With the stock manipulation, this is also a pretty nebulous number. Did they include only verified cases of people doing this? What did they consider manipulation? The article is very thin.

  11. Definition of 'cybercrime' by sielwolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    cybercrime, which includes corporate espionage, child pornography, stock manipulation, extortion and piracy

    That's a pretty open-ended definition. So is old-school white collar insider trading or shenanigans now Cyber-Crime just because they do it from a workstation? It'd be interesting to see just what is a cyber-crime now and how it breaks down into that total 150 billion dollars they just throw out there. Of course such data might pop the balloon of FUD as delicious as this.

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  12. fishing survey is bullshit by Geekboy(Wizard) · · Score: 4, Funny

    if you mark all of them as fraud, you 'fail' the test.

    I consider all email from commercial entities as fraudulent.

  13. The test is bad by jmv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In related news, only 4% of Internet users can flag 100% of phishing e-mails as fraudulent

    Had a look at the test and this is not surprising. Basically, they just take a screenshot of the mail reader window, ripping out any info (headers, html source) that could be of any help. Not to mention that as long as you assume anything you get from your bank/ebay/paypal/... is *potentially* a phishing e-mail, you don't have to actually be able to tell the difference. Education should not be about recognizing phishing emails because phishers will always be ahead. However, if you *never* click on a link and always use bookmarks (to bank and all) you have, then there's nothing a phisher can do. Of course, education should also be for institutions like my bank which includes its website URL in emails they send me (they're encouraging their customers to learn bad habits).

  14. Re:10% by grumpyman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Undergraound economy... do you mean eBay?

  15. Don't be such an ass. by jabbo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > I suggest that the field and the general user experience would be greatly enhanced by
    > limiting access to compilers/assemblers (by means of pricing and with the cooperation of
    > the open source community) and by separating macros or other executable content from
    > documents.

    [eg. the premise: artificially raise the cost of compilers and nastybad people will stop writing viruses, etc. just like gangsters in New York improvised zip guns when guns cost too much... oh, wait, that's a bad analogy... bad people just make do.]

    You should also consider separating "clueless" from "malicious" in your thought process. HTH.

    > Think about it; in what other field do we "educate" "users"?

    Other than prenatal care, disaster response, home safety, poison control, vehicular operation, wildfire control, diabetes management, power tools, gun storage, and how to program your VCR? Can't think of any offhand...

    > We don't try to educate people
    > with electrical outlets and let any curious individual perform as a licensed electrician.

    But we'll sell wire cutters and conduit to any moron at Home Depot, along with a Hole Hawg and a 3 foot masonry bit. Surprisingly, a license is not required to burn down your house as a DIY repairman, nor is it required to pack a thousand pounds of fertilizer, some gasoline, and some nails into the back of a van, detonate it, and cause much worse harm.

    Cars are deadly weapons, as are guns; both require a license to operate, but in neither case does that eliminate fatalities caused thereby. (In fact, on the evening news last night, I noticed that a Class C licensed bus driver rolled over an embankment, killing 2 people and one fetus, injuring the other 39 people on the bus. More than likely, a smaller percentage of licensed commercial drivers do this than, say, unregulated Pakistani mountain bus jockeys, but I have no useful measure of the protective effect conferred by this certifying process.)

    Bad people will still be bad people, and "the cooperation of the opensource community" is not something I think you can depend on for this venture. (cf. PGP and SSL export restrictions)

    Stack protection, virtualization, perhaps legal penalties for willfully distributing software known to pose a risk to the users without their awareness or education (cf. the Theramed); maybe an overhaul of the communications system, and use of (NON-unicode) certificates required for financial communications. I don't know for certain, but I do believe that your rant about compilers holds little relevance to phishing at this point in time.

    Full disclosure: I learned to program on an HP-80 and a Timex-Sinclair ZX-81. I was using Usenet before AOL 'broke' it. And I still think you're chasing the wrong idea.

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  16. The Old Days by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

    Back in the old days, we had to shovel coal into our computers. That was way back when Usenet traffic was passed via UUCP and by the sacrificing of virgins (never hard to find in CS departments way back when). Why, I remember alerts going "Keep signatures to 28 characters or someone will come and remove your testicles with a 7/16ths nut driver and some mouldy toast".

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  17. Re:So, when I by rkcallaghan · · Score: 5, Informative

    And technically, what makes a drug a drug? What about perscription, cigarettes, alcohol? Those are all mind altering and bad for you.

    This is my field of study, so I feel obliged to throw in my 2 bits here.

    When someone refers to a "drug" in the sense of crime, they mean more accurately a "Schedule I Material" (and rarely, Schedule II or III, but usually just I). What does this nonsense mean? Well, in theory anyway, Schedule I is reserved for materials deemed to have no redeeming medical value, with a high possibility of chemical addiction or overdose. Now, given your statement about cigarettes and booze -- you and I both realize that that isn't entirely the case.

    While at the core, the doctors who worked with the FDA and the DEA to create the original controlled substances lists were doing so in good faith to protect the population at large from "Snake Oil" and soft drinks with addictive spikes (Ahem, Coca-Cola); there are unfortunately, larger powers at work than even the medical industry today. "Big Tobacco" has been in power in this country for hundreds of years before this country was even a country. So even though nicotine in all scientific methods would be a Schedule I material -- it isn't. This is also the reason THC is Schedule I despite having qualities that should qualify it for Schedule III (your usual prescription medications). Alcohol, for similar social reasons, is not Schedule I either.

    Your usual prescription medications are Schedule III; which roughly defined is materials that have useful medical value and low possibility for addiction, but have other qualities such as allergens or drug interactions that merit having a doctor or two check you out before giving you them.

    Hope that I have helped :)

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  18. Two totally different crimes by Mr.+Cancelled · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One's a crime of greed, while the other is a crime of demand (although plently of people get into the drug business solely for the income potential).

    If there wasn't a demand for drugs, there would be no drug trade. Conversely, the only reason to steal from others is always greed. Some might steal for fun *cough* winona ryder *cough*, but theft (in person, 3rd person, or via cybercrime) is almost always due to greed. Big difference there... One's there as a result of people wants, and demands. The other is largely parasitic, and exists solely to leech off people.

    Personally, I'd rather see my government invest more of our tax dollars into protecting our identities, and investments, as opposed to busting generally harmless dope smokers, and their suppliers (In case you didn't know, marijuana smokers are the most commonly targeted drug demographic these days, and the majority of our tax dollars, go towards fighting marijuana, while proven "bad drugs", such as meth, ruin lives, and run rampant throughout the country).

    The reason for all this is greed. The big companies almost write their own laws these days, and meanwhile more and more of our freedoms our lost, as our lawmakers focus on giving their funders (not constituents!) what they want. And surprisingly, things like Cybercrime continue to grow, and be largely ignored (Note, I'm talking real crimes, such as identity theft, phishing, and so on. Not downloading music and videos, which IMHO should be near the bottom of our list of priorities) .

    Personally, I'd like to see a major change in how we handle crimes in this country: Elevate identity theft, and other life-altering crimes to the level they deserve, focus our energies and money on bettering our country, and removing our dependence on other countries for our very existance, and stop focusing on the average downloader as being the worst thing to hit the US since Pearl Harbor. Meanwhile, start fighting the real drug problems that are facing our country: Meth, Cocaine, Heroin, and so on, rather than going after the "low hanging fruit", marijaua users, which are largely chosen simply for the ease of busts, and the profit available to cops for doing so.

    It's all about priorities, and right now our lawmakers top priorities are largely themselves, as evidenced by recent events.

  19. The name is Valerie McNevin by tigertiger · · Score: 3, Informative
    Ah, journalists... So let's do some homework for them.

    So for all of us who are busy googling for this person, the name is not Valerie McNiven, but Valerie McNevin. She is a lawyer, worked for the state of Colorado in about 2002 and then for the World Bank and is now with a private company, Cybrinth, LLC which does consulting on cyber crime. The Reuters correspondent did not bother to reveal this.

    The article itself is rather confusing - he is actually claiming that cybercrime is perpetrated by "idle youths looking for quick gain"? In the Third World?? And just for fun, once the Reuters dispatch gets rewritten, she turns into a cybercrime guru...

    Now, how she gets the number of more that $100 bn being made by cybercrime, I have no idea. I guess it includes the $40 bn revenue Microsoft makes each year...

  20. The obvious solution... by paranode · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...is to legalize cybercrime.

  21. /. fix by paranode · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hey man I'm a tech junkie, got any stuff? Stuff that matters?