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Desktop Linux Survey Results Published

An anonymous reader writes "The Open Source Development Labs has published preliminary results from its desktop Linux survey, which had 3,300 responses. The month-long online survey focused on determining the key issues driving Linux on the desktop, as well as the major barriers to Linux desktop adoption. 'What was most surprising to us was probably the top two reasons given for deploying Linux on the desktop,' OSDL's Principal Analyst Dave Rosenberg said. 'It's not TCO (total cost of ownership), or security, or lack of license fees. It was 'employees requesting Linux (user demand)' and because 'my competitors have successfully deployed Linux,' he added."

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  1. Well, there you have it. by Atario · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not for stability, or security, or pricing, or modifiability, or all the great things that come to us from Unixland.

    It's because we're all so cool.

    Who could have guessed it?

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    1. Re:Well, there you have it. by Siguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Geek Chic should not be underestimated. I've known quite a few people (including myself) who have run linux on a desktop with no real reason to do so other than the "cool" factor. The problem is, once you get it running and get set up you kind of realize that it is just a computer operating system and not something inherently cool like a tiger or the fonz.
      "Oh wow, I'm running Firefox. On linux! [fifteen seconds pass] Hmmm, maybe I should go download BeOS..."

    2. Re:Well, there you have it. by marcosdumay · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Differently from Windows, a Linux desktop works as well during an hour as during an entire mounth. So, they won't have this problem.

      I'd assume the oposite, people at home have a bad time configuring their desktops to fit the usage, and don't have nice games to play. Those problems go away when you have to use the computer to work and there is a support team.

    3. Re:Well, there you have it. by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Windows is now less bloated than the average Linux distro.

      Except, of course, that with a Windows install you can... hmmm... you can... there's gotta be something... ah, yes: you can use wordpad and play solitaire. Yes. But, yes, you are right.

  2. Built for Linux by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'd say that in my case, getting the word out that Linux is just a kernel and that there are many flavours built arround it is the greatest problem.

    I have had folks getting an Ubuntu CD after having been told "all applications are there", attempting to install these apps on a SuSE distro!

    The other thing is multimedia not working exactly as advertised or not working as expected.

    With all these problems, getting Linux on the desktop is still a challenge in my case.

    1. Re:Built for Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The day all hardware distributors starts writing drivers for their products in linux, will be a milestone in my oppinion. The only thing keeping me from using linux on my laptop is the lack of drivers for videocards/touchpads suspend etc. Linux for me isn't about license costs etc, it's about a stable working system at all times. A system where things eighter work or don't work at all. Thats not the case in all other OS:es...

      In other words, if installation and hardware support where as good as in for example Windows, this wouldn't keep the day to day users away.

    2. Re:Built for Linux by HuguesT · · Score: 4, Informative

      The short answer is yes, plenty of machines built for Linux.

      Here are a couple of links :

      Servers, desktops etc : http://www.pogolinux.com/
      Laptops ! http://www.emperorlinux.com/

      The laptops are well-known brands (IBM/Lenovo, Dell etc) with Linux pre-installed and supported, where everything work, including modem, wireless, suspend-to-ram, etc.

    3. Re:Built for Linux by NickFortune · · Score: 5, Insightful
      In some ways the linux-on-the-desktop debate reminds me of the early days of AI. People used to think up realy hard problems for computers saying "if a computer can perform task X then it will be intelligent". The trouble is that every time we find out how to make a computer do task X, people say "oh, that's not intelligence - that's just an algorithm" and start devising harder problems to crack. Computer chess was once regarded as an AI Milestone, for example.

      Similarly, I think that what Linux needs to be considered desktop ready is being likewise constantly redefined. I mean the guys who were interested in Linux when Slackware was frst released saw "desktop readiness" happen years ago. The trouble is that each such milestone brings Linux to the attention of a larger, less technically adept group who look at the OS and say "Nice ideas, but it's not ready for the desktop..."

      Just a random passing thought

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  3. actually by iced_tea · · Score: 5, Funny

    "It's not TCO (total cost of ownership), or security, or lack of license fees," Dave Rosenberg said. "It's about the lack of a talking paper clip."

  4. tax software by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Interesting
    As the year steams to an end, I wonder when we shall have a free Java/QT/Mono/GTK application to handle income tax filing. Is it too late for the OSS community to cook up one?

    If this software were availed, it'd significantly boost the status of Linux getting looked at seriously on the desktop. I would not want to spend any money on the so called tax software again.

  5. sigh* by Tahir+Azhar · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't know why but grandma kept insisting on NetBSD....

  6. How representative was the sample? by David+Hume · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looking at the results, I have to ask, how representative was the sample group? Was it, as it appears, entirely self-selected? And what does that say about the validity of the results?

    I mean, 54% of the respondents use, or are considering, Ubantu? With only 19% for Red Hat, with another 26% for Fedora, for a total of 45%? Could that possibly be representative?

    And the second most important application is "Digital Camera/Video?"

  7. The State of Linux Desktop by ccozan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Believe it or not, i am using Linux as primary desktop continuosly from 1997 ( with just a short interval where i was forced to work on windows, or face getting fired). I've grown practically toghether with Linux as Desktop. Man, it was a challenge in the beginning. Things that for a server weren't important, they become for a desktop the equivalent of endless hacking nights. But it was worth. I was really pleased with it. Ah, and there were not that many distros, i think i started with Slackware, and since then only Redhat ( and now Fedora). I've tried also SuSE and Mandrake, but RH was the most consistent and the most easy to work with that time. SuSE was a PITA, until maybe the latest versions. Debian was out of range because of the "stable means old software" filosofy, even though i used the backports for various friends of mine, who wanted desktops with Debian.

    Now, if i take a look of latest gnome, but especially latest KDE, i can tell you, boy, this a fucking marvellous piece of UI, compared with was before. And all the small bits of integration with hardware are getting close to be a commodity, and not a luxury. I know, i didn't give back to much back to the community, but i am lurking from time to time in frenode's IRC channels, helping some poor beginners. Although, i think while the user friendliness of KDE(or gnome) has skyrocketed, there are still many hacks needed to make the user get the max out of what is offered. The weakest point and also the strongest point of FOSS is this somehow fractured and all over the world decentralised development of software. We should never abandon it, even if that would hurt the potential user ( i am not saying customer, because we talk about distribution and not commercialization).

    That being said, I applaud again the efforts of all developers, that keep us with the vision of a Linux Desktop.

  8. Gamers by DigiShaman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What about games? THe only reason I'm staying with WinXP is to play the latest games due to DirectX/Open GL support and the always updated driver base. Seriously, why is the entertainment aspect always left out? For fucks sake, gaming is a multi-billion dollar industry. I would THINK it would be a huge factor for home PC users.

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    1. Re:Gamers by n0dalus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wine has come an incredible way since it's conception. I am amazed by how well it runs some games (and other Windows software) these days. I think it's safe to say that by the time the Linux desktop is polished enough for average Joe, wine will have advanced to a point where it runs most Windows games/software very acceptably.

      I would like to think that one day wine will actually be better at running Windows software than Windows itself is. This is possible because while Microsoft is intentionaly breaking compatability between releases, wine is being developed to run programs from any Windows version. Often programs actually run faster in wine as well, since the linux kernel generally manages things better.

  9. Penguin powered for ages by LABarr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have been running my business on a Linux desktop and F/OSS for a number of years. (My servers are all OpenBSD, however) I have done a number of consulting gigs where a Linux deployment is discussed, and in some cases, choosen as the exclusive desktop solution. If there are no applications that the client has that absolutely requires Windows to run, i.e. beyond what they can do with e-mail, firefox, openoffice.org, GIMP, etc. --it isn't a difficult to sell them on the idea. Especially when pointing out the many advantages of an MS free office. I once recommended a Linux solution and told the client to keep a reserve of cash on hand to purchase Windows (OS and Office suite) software if they should find themselves feeling like they couldn't get by running a Linux desktop. That reserve has long since been spent, they are still running Linux, and there isn't a Windows desktop to be found anywhere. In other cases running a handful of Windows boxes for the people that really need it mixed with a mostly Linux deployment is the answer.

    Many clients have said that it is not that much of a change for them and that they wonder what all the fuss was about?

    I personally have actually found myself lost trying to do even trivial tasks on a friend's borrowed Windows machine that I wouldn't have to think twice about using my own laptop running Linux... I have started carrying LiveCD's just so this doesn't become more of an issue. The tools that come standard on many Linux distro's are far superior to those available to other OS's. It's a no brainer for me...

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  10. Re:Linux for the people by YttriumOxide · · Score: 4, Informative

    Working as a "specialist" in printing and printing technologies (see my post history for details), I can't help but wholeheartedly agree.

    I've not found anything easier for IPP, LPR or Raw (Socket/9100) printing than a simple CUPS install with a nice frontend as provided by EITHER KDE or Gnome. It even auto-searches the network for port9100 - something Windows is yet to do.

    Drivers for "toy" printers can be a pain, but even without vendor support (which I'll plug that we have) any PostScript device is a breeze and PCL devices are only marginally more complicated.

    A few months ago I tried to gauge our end user Linux adoption by the number of support enquiries I was asked to assist with (assuming our technicians/first level support couldn't handle Linux) and thought that perhaps there's not so much out there. Then I find out that there's a LOT more than I originally assumed and it just never makes it to me as an enquiry since it "just works". Enquiries about other systems (Windows, MacOS and AS/400 especially) aren't uncommon (especially Windows broken excuse for printer sharing in relation to permissions and device settings causing MANY headaches)

    That's just my take on it from an inside perspective of one of the supposed "key areas for improvement". Maybe these users just aren't savvy enough on printing in general, and it's not the OS that's the problem at all (it'd be interesting to give them a Windows environment and check out what printing issues they have...)

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