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Adobe Acquiring Macromedia on December 3, 2005

dennison_uy writes "Adobe Systems Incorporated and Macromedia, Inc. today announced they have either received or been notified they will receive all regulatory clearances necessary to complete Adobe's pending acquisition of Macromedia. The companies expect to close the transaction on December 3, 2005. Does this mean the end for Fireworks and Freehand?"

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  1. Macradobe by Short+Circuit · · Score: 5, Funny
    We mustn't forget the Macradobe song!

    To the tune of Yankee Doodle Went to London

    Big Adobe went to town
    Riding with great worry
    "Microsoft might buy our foes
    Goodness let us hurry"

    Big Adobe, buy them out
    Big Adobe dandy
    Mind the lawsuits and the FUD
    And with your cash be handy

    Macromedia went to the web
    With great Flash and vigour
    Then Adobe said to them:
    "We ownz you, start to quiver"

    Big Adobe, buy them out
    Get yourself a trophy
    Buy a business out of fear
    And call it Macradobe

    All you geeks and all you nerds
    Reading this here story
    Remember what the Parent said
    And call it Macradobe
  2. The voice for all Australians.... by Paska · · Score: 4, Funny
    Adobe Acquiring Macromedia on December 3, 2005


    That's today you insenstive clod!

    I for one live in the future, which puts December 3rd as, well, right now.
    1. Re:The voice for all Australians.... by GoatMonkey2112 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Please stop sending us those Terminators. They're causing a lot of problems and they can't stop fate anyway.

  3. my hope is.. by nick-less · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does this mean the end for Fireworks and Freehand?" ...it means the end of flash, but I know its just a dream.

  4. Software line-up changes? by Cyphertube · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have my own personal bets about what will be going, but of course, that's from my own perspective. From what the majority of analysts say, yes, Freehand will likely go, as will GoLive.

    Much speculation exists regarding Fireworks vs. Photoshop. Photoshop will, of course, stay. What I wonder about is whether or not ImageReady will go. If they could merge some of the features of Fireworks into Photoshop, it would be a fabulous product. I've never liked ImageReady to export photos for the web, and I've not liked using Photoshop for creating simple graphic elements for online either. With enough support, Fireworks may stick around by itself, even.

    While I've consistently used products from both companies, and many an employer will likely reap an initial cost-savings from the merger, I am sad to see that competition in this industry has faded. I don't think even a company with as much cash to burn as Microsoft can break in any time soon. However, the tools themselves are pretty well set, so I think the next cool thing will be modifying the user interfaces to be even MORE user-friendly and intutitive. Go GIMP and bring on some competition!

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  5. Background info by JonN · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here are a few links for background information for anyone who needs:

    How the Adobe-Macromedia Merger Could Impact PDF
    Interview of both CEOs
    Staff's comments
    Article with a bit more bulk on the subject (The article linked about is quite small)

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  6. "Studio" Bundling? by FearTheFrail · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Macromedia and Adobe both have histories of understandably bundling some of their related/popular products together into sets with rather high price tags so that we consumers can gag over the steep prices, and then wheedle our bosses into thinking that yes, we do need Flash MX Professional (while all of your fellow web designers sigh with disdainful looks).

    One would expect some sort of bundle to pop out of this merger that would combine Adobe and Macromedia products...anyone have any ideas on what it might include? Anything you can think of aside from the "obvious" suspects? (Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Flash, Illustrator)

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    1. Re:"Studio" Bundling? by settsu · · Score: 3, Funny

      Based on my daily experience and anti-user/useful corporate sh**-shoveling aside, I see the ideal "One Box Solution" (eventually) being along these lines:

      -Dreamweaver
      "GoLive was for web pages?? I thought it was for database management."

      -InDesign
      F***ing Quark, why won't you just die? Actually a version of Quark from 1996 is listed in the "Goodies" section of the install DVD. It's better than the last 2 versions and easily runs on a Palm Vx.

      -Photoshop
      Will now take an extra 45 seconds to load. Just becuase they can. Holding Shift while opening "About..." will reveal the dev team.

      Mooning you.

      With unwiped arses.

      -Fireworks
      Nothing can touch its JPEG efficiency, though the sooner JPEG is taken out to the shed and euthanized the better. Animated GIF support is secretly replaced by a fly swatter that shoots from the floor and slaps you when you try to select it.

      -Illustrator
      Totally reworked with the soul of Freehand; though it STILL will have sucky microscopic node/path editing. Again: becuase they can. CorelDraw will continue to be superior at path/curve manipulation, cheaper, and still completely ignored by "professionals."

      -Adobe Type Manager
      This priceless utility will be neutered by the removal of the few menus/functions it did have and the UI features replaced with ads for $400 "sunlight" lamps and $7000 "ergonomic" desk chairs.

      MSRP & CDW price: $2999
      MacWarehouse Price: $2994
      Street and E-tailer Price: $1699
      Amazon.com/CostCo Price: $197 w/Free Second Day Shipping

      For $879 more ($96 on Amazon; no one else carries it), a Premium box will have Acrobat, Flash DevEd, and a Spanish Dubloon. Not becuase anyone SHOULD have to pay extra for any of those anymore, but becuase you can't NOT have them and be legit.

  7. Macromedia used to be cool by pubjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've used Macromedia products since their early days. They used to be cool - a big focus on the developer and keeping everything open. They don't feel so cool these days, they just seem to want to squeeze as much money out of me as possible, and I've started to resent it.

    For instance, making a "professional" version of the Flash tool - I'm sure pretty much everyone who buys Flash is a professional, the "professional" version is just an excuse to charge extra for things that should be in the main product.

    And they are trying to push developers in the direction they want them to go, rather than providing what developers want. For instance, they have a heavy focus now on using Flash for on-line forms and applications, but when was the last time you actually used a Flash application online? And yet many developers use PHP and are now interested in Ruby and AJAX but Macromedia have very poor support for those technologies.

    I would like to think something positive will come out of this merger, but I'm afraid the new Adobe will just use their new powers to try to force developers in the direction they want them to go and find new ways to squeeze more money out of them.

  8. Fireworks by Phil+John · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is really not a steaming pile at all. It's the only decent app out there that handles vector graphics as well as bitmapped equally well. It's a godsend for an awful lot of people. Plus, it's much easier to "dive in" than with photoshop for someone who doesn't do much graphics work, but is forced to every now and then.

    PNG support is also much better, it produces smaller, better quality files than Photoshop manages to.

    I do agree with your comment on freehand however, it is indeed doodooo.

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  9. ColdFusion shoutout by markhb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With everyone commenting about the art tools, I have to wonder what Adobe's plans are for ColdFusion. I know that the official line is "CF is selling very well, so they have no reason to dump it." I'm not sure if I put that much faith in Adobe's common sense.

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    1. Re:ColdFusion shoutout by Flibz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When did you last look at CF?

      I've been developing since V2 and the MX range has revitalised it as a dev environment. It gets a bad name because it's easy to write crap code, but if it's properly written and servers are properly managed there's not much you can't do with it.

      I could go on, but I won't, cos you'll all get very, very bored if I start ranting.

  10. What history has taught us ... by oneiros27 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Adobe could've done the same thing, when they bought Aldus. In fact, they kept Page Maker around long enough for them to get InDesign up far enough for them to start pushing that instead.

    But how did they deal with Freehand, when they already had Illustrator? Why, they sold it off to someone else, and conveniently enough, they're getting it back again.

    So, if they feel that there's a legitimate reason to maintain two seperate programs that do similar things, they'll be likely to slowly change the two until you get to the point where it's easy to jump ship to the one they prefer (basically, make sure that any outstanding features have been migrated to the other product line), and then kill off the old one.

    In the case where they're no significant differentiation in capabilities between the two, they may see the benefit in getting some money back by flipping it to some other company.

    By the time we're done, Freehand will have seen more company trades than WordPerfect.

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  11. The future by NoSuchGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    will bring us more:
    - more PDFs on web pages
    - more Flash on webpages
    - more Flash in PDFs
    - more PDFs in Flash

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  12. Re:Speed by giorgiofr · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, it's because of the three thousand plugins that are loading while you watch that splash screen. Move them from the plugins dir to a backup one, restart Acrobat and see it fail, read what plugin is missing, restore it, repeat 3-4 times and notice how it now takes less than 1 sec to show up.
    I tried it and the loading time went from like 10 to 1 second.
    Then of course when you're doing something that requires a plugin, restore it and leave it there (for example, the search function *is* a plugin... WTF?) but anyway 90% of them won't be needed.
    HTH

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  13. PDF SpeedUp -- Just use it. by eddy · · Score: 3, Informative

    PDF SpeedUp 1.42 (win32)

    Not only a fancy way to disable the plugins, it actually removes the splash screen, removes crappy GUI elements (advertisments), etc.

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  14. Re:PNG better quality? by illtud · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's odd... short of saving at 16bits/channel (which maybe Photoshop can't do - I don't touch that thing), I don't think there are any quality settings with PNG per se; it is a lossless format, after all.

    There's a lot you can to optimize PNGs, for example with pngcrush. See Wikipedia's detail on PNG filesizes. For more info on PS's bad handling of PNG, see Photoshop & PNG about halfway down that page.

  15. Re:Imagine... by rathehun · · Score: 3, Funny
    While not exactly useful, it would be neat.


    This is the kind of thinking that makes me want kill people.
  16. Re:Farewell Freehand, You'll be missed :( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    FreeHand has been dead for a year now. The entire development team in Richardson. TX was disbanded in March 2003. Everyone was laid off (including me), Development was moved to Bangalore, but that effort was axed after 10 months or so without any results. No wonder, our codebase was exceedingly convoluted.

    A shame really. The FH development process was a fine example of how things were supposed to be done. Proper bug tracking, competent managers (no, I was just a grunt developer), plenty of testers, proper specs. One can argue with the actual features and the archaic nature of the multitude of settings but the process was good. The latest release has unfortunately not held up well on OS X though.

  17. Re:Flash Plugins by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I can't believe I'm seeing this kind of discussion here on Slashdot. I thought more or less everyone here agreed that Flash is the single largest scourge on the web (possibly, but only possibly, after MSIE).

    Sorry to disappoint your faith in groupthink. Flash has legitimate, appropriate uses, such as creating sites that go beyond simple click-to-the-next-page interfaces. Just because it's frequently misused, or because you don't see any value in rich media and want it banned from the web, doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you.

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  18. Re:Flash Plugins by theoneknuckles · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I am sick and tired on websites that use 30% of my CPU just to show a useless, animated logo, or using Flash menus that can't be searched in or for, and unable of being indexed by search engines, and that break back and forward navigation, or waiting 10 seconds or more when a new page loads just to be shown the intro animation for that page.

    This is because you're only being exposed to "Skip-Intro" sites built by incompetent Flash users that don't know how to code in Actionscript and so are left making movieClips and timelines. Problem is that movieClips, especially invisible ones, CONTINUE to play little blinking animations etc in the background and will hog your CPU. It's important to note that this is NOT a problem with Flash or the plugin, you can put that problem squarely on the head of idiot users.

    Macromedia's website is built on 80% Flash content, does your CPU run at 30% + to view it? No. Why? Because they have users that *know* how to build proper Flash animations.

    Try viewing a page with 7+ animated gifs and see what happens to your cpu.