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Gene Found That May Affect IQ in Males

Chowser writes to tell us the AZStarNet is running an article stating that North Carolina scientists claim to have identified a gene that affects IQ in males. The difference is apparently quite striking, with the average IQ difference between those that had the gene and those that didn't being approximately 20 points. From the article: "However, he stressed that the IQ results in his research were based on a group average; individual males carrying the gene version had a wide range of IQ scores. While females also can carry the variation, it does not appear to affect their IQ, he said."

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  1. Sample size? by Majik+Sheff · · Score: 5, Informative

    300 10-year-olds from neighboring areas? Any variation in a sample that size is just signal noise. The genetic->IQ link has always been a contentious subject... This is only fuel for the fire.

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    1. Re:Sample size? by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Informative
      It's impossible to tell the signal-to-noise ratio from the info given in the article, because they don't say how frequent the gene is. If the gene has a 50% frequency, then the number of people with the gene in their study is 150, and the number without is 150. IQ is defined to have a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 16. Averaging over a group of 150 people reduces the s.d. by a factor of 1/sqrt(150), to 1.3, in which case a 20-point difference between the two groups is extremely statistically significant. However, if the gene has a very high or very low frequency, then one of the two groups could be very small, in which case it might not be significant.

      They also don't say how they controlled for other variables. For instance, IQ is highly correlated with socioeconomic status, and if they didn't control for that, then that could explain the whole effect. E.g., black hair is negatively correlated with socioeconomic status in the U.S. (all those impoverished African-American and Latino people have black hair), so it's negatively correlated with IQ, but that doesn't mean that the gene for black hair also causes you to be stupid -- it just means that, for various reasons, IQ tests are biased against African-American and Latino people.

    2. Re:Sample size? by Puf_Almighty · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's a variation of 20 IQ points. Iq tests are normed to have a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15. That means that this difference signifies greater than one standard deviation of difference: even in a "small" sample (and precisely how much do you want for them to compare IQs over 160, and do gene arrays on them all?) that's freaking enormously significant.

  2. Re:Housekeeping... by strider44 · · Score: 1, Informative

    The difference is apparently quite striking with the average IQ difference between those that had the gene and those that didn't being marked at 20 approximately 20 points.

    I think that is actually gramatically correct, but missing a couple of commas or brackets to make things more readable:

    The difference is apparently quite striking with the average IQ difference between those that had the gene and those that didn't being, marked at 20, approximately 20 points.

  3. Large Offspring Syndrome by Puf_Almighty · · Score: 1, Informative

    It's a little technical, but here's a rundown for the biochemically inclined: M6P/IGF2R introduction.

    Turns out it's a cancer suppressor, too- a growth suppressor all around. It was suppressed it in early (animal) clones, and so the fetuses/feti grew too big in the womb and aborted. At least, according to the guy who wrote that rundown.

    It causes LOS, "Large Offspring Syndrome" when deactivated, because of stuff detailed in that article there. Unfortunately we can't say whether this form of the protein mentioned in the article is more or less active, because the article doesn't specify. Does anyone know?

    Also, they should do a correlation between the same set of subjects, and see if it also shows correlation of body size. To check the use of IGF2R as a growth suppressor.

  4. Re:IQ tests are severly flawed by blofeld42 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The IQ tests aren't being used to identify the gene. The process is to administer the test, and then run a medical test to determine what genes are present. And the genetic tests run on the subjects are quite relaible. Once both tasks are done they simply correlate the IQ scores to the genes.

    IQ tests are fine predictors of performance in many areas--people who score well on IQ tests tend to have much better performance at many real world tasks.

    20 points is a huge difference. That's approximately the IQ gap between college graduates and non-college graduates in the US. It's more than one standard deviation in the IQ distribution.

  5. Re:IQ tests are severly flawed by Lars83 · · Score: 2, Informative

    IQ tests are _extremely_ reliable. The article doesn't mention which IQ test was administered, but if it was the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children (WISC) or the Stanford-Binet, those tests have fantastic psychometrics. Their reliability coefficients are in the .8 to .9 range, which is really, really good. These tests are in constant revision in order to maintain this superb reliability. I've read the technical manuals for both of these tests...you'd be hard-pressed to design a more reliable one.

  6. Re:Only Caucasians tested by paulsgre · · Score: 5, Informative

    I agree that looking at other populations is crucial, but from what I can tell, they haven't even determined whether this is the gene actually responsible for the observed correlation.

    1. When looking at haplotypes, we see that genes travel together in chunks, and because someone has an alternate version of this gene, it could just mean that the haplotype is different. For example say the top 1/3 of chromosome #3 has 7 haplotypes. This means that when you look at populations from all over the world, you will see one of these 7 haplotypes, with 2-3 occuring in the vast majority of cases. On this haplotype there are multiple genes that travel together and recombine together so taht they stay "linked". The gene ACTUALLY affecting IQ could merely be closely linked in physical proximity to the gene they have identified. The genotypes observed in this study may just be markers for another as yet unidentified gene.

    2. The fact that it affects caucasian males vs females suggest it is sex-linked and other populations with the gene would be similarly affected. HOWEVER, it is entirely possible that the observed gene is an uncommon phenotype that has not drifted throughout the species and doesn't even exist in other races/populations.

    3. The gene in question codes for a growth factor receptor. Growth factor temporal expression dynamics are an interesting but complex subject, and the fact that they are looking only at 10 year olds presents another major problem. In brain development (or any development), decreased affinity for a ligand can alter the protein-binding curve such that more of the ligand (in this case the insulin-like growth factor) is needed to elicit the desired response, OR the ligand may fail to elicit the response because it "missed the train". There are different types of latencies across individuals, and increased developmental latency is a hallmark of the evolutionary nascent human brain, so it would not surprise me that there are many genetic variants of brain growth factors and receptors expressed during adolescence. Let's put it this way- there are two types of "malfunction"- A)you're supposed to meet up with your friends at 9 but you arrive at 10pm- your friends are pissed at you, but they waited for you, and the drunken revelry can continue as planned OR B) your flight was at 9pm, you missed it, too bad, do not pass go and do not collect 200 dollars.
    In the case of this growth factor receptor, we have no idea whether the gene variant causes malfunction, slower reaction, or complete inactivation, or even increased activation. I would not be surprised if the observed IQ differences leveled out over the next 5 years, especially considering the sex-hormone charged brain differentation that occurs during puberty.

    This article is pop fluff, and I would be wary of drawing any sort of conclusion from it.

  7. Re:IQ tests are severly flawed by duffahtolla · · Score: 2, Informative
    IQ tests are too unreliable for identifying gene that contribute to intelligence.

    Yes, yes.. That's very PC and all, but it looks like THAT gene does play a significant role.

    From here

    Jirtle said his assertion that the IGF2R gene affects IQ is bolstered by experiments in mice. When he and his colleagues disabled a copy of the gene in lab mice - an experiment intended to mimic humans who inherit the variant copy of the gene - they noticed that the male mice were slow learners on a maze test. Electrical recordings of the mice's brain tissue were also altered in a way that is consistent with slow learning.

  8. Re:Give those with low IQ jobs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I assure you, the strictest libertarians would prefer to let the market decide that outcome (as opposed to letting any one person or group of people dictate the 'correct' outcome).

  9. IGF2R by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 5, Informative
    According to build 35.1 of GenBank and version 124 of dbSNP, the following 66 genetic polymorphisms have been found to occur within the 48 exons of IGF2R in humans:

    rs_number|alleles|position (on chromosome 6)
    rs8191692 C/T 160360652
    rs2975115 C/G 160360684
    rs2975116 C/G 160360687
    rs8191704 A/G 160382749
    rs11759563 C/T 160416104
    rs8191746 C/T 160416109
    rs8191753 A/G 160418673
    rs8191754 C/G 160418735
    rs8191758 A/G 160421034
    rs8191763 C/T 160424152
    rs1570070 A/G 160424389
    rs13198308 C/T 160432052
    rs8191776 A/C 160434644
    rs6413489 A/G 160434696
    rs894817 A/G 160434700
    rs8191797 A/G 160437232
    rs1050004 A/G 160437257
    rs8191798 A/G 160437267
    rs998075 C/T -160438689
    rs6413491 A/G 160438720
    rs8191808 C/G 160439921
    rs8191809 A/G 160439953
    rs8191810 A/G 160439956
    rs8191819 A/G 160441967
    rs8191820 C/T 160441987
    rs8191840 C/T 160452138
    rs8191842 C/T 160453003
    rs8191843 A/G 160453053
    rs8191844 C/G 160453340
    rs2274850 C/G 160450541
    rs2230043 A/C 160454948
    rs8191859 A/G 160455901
    rs8191860 A/G 160455961
    rs2230048 A/T 160459759
    rs8191869 A/G 160459815
    rs8191881 C/T 160463358
    rs8191886 A/G 160464245
    rs2230044 A/G 160464245
    rs629849 A/G 160464820
    rs11552587 C/T -160465339
    rs1050005 C/G 160465360
    rs8191904 A/G 160471039
    rs8191905 A/G 160471123
    rs8191906 C/T 160471223
    rs8191908 A/G 160471609
    rs2230049 C/T 160471684
    rs614754 C/G -160475610
    rs1805075 A/G 160475618
    rs8191933 C/T 160487883
    rs3190229 C/T 160487892
    rs1803989 C/T 160487892
    rs8191955 C/T 160496427
    rs8191956 C/T 160496750
    rs8191957 C/T 160496859
    rs8191958 A/G 160496868
    rs8191959 A/G 160497049
    rs8191960 -/ACAC 160497143
    rs8191961 A/G 160497202
    rs3832385 -/TTTG -160497316
    rs8191962 -/ACAA 160497322
    rs8191963 C/T 160497586
    rs1050015 A/C 160497591
    rs8191964 C/T 160497662
    rs8191965 -/GCATGGCGTGGAGGAGGAGGGAGGCCGGGCGG 160497665
    rs8191966 A/G 160497672
    rs14531 G/T 160497919


    (Sorry about the formatting; the lameness filter forced me to make it look like that.)

    Here "C/T" in the alleles column means some people have C and other people have T. A minus sign indicates a deletion (the allele is an empty string). A negative position indicates that the reported alleles are relative to the compliment strand. (This happens if they get the strand wrong when they define it.)
    You can look up population data for these genetic variations by rs number (sometimes categorized by distinct racial groups) at dbSNP. The locus in question is either one of these 66, or else the "smart/dumb" gene is a splice variant which is also likely- one of the versions has an exon that the other doesn't- which would mean that the locus is in a promoter region in one of the 47 introns. There are 603 variations in the introns. That would never get past the lameness filter.

    The popularized crap on Google News is useless. I did a search on Google Scholar for "IGF2R Jirtle IQ" and found this:

    Interestingly, M6P/IGF2R in mice is imprinted in all tissues except for the brain where both alleles are expressed. It is highly expressed in neurons of the forebrain, with the highest expression in the pyramidal cells, the polymorphic layers of the hippocampus, and the granule cell layer of the dentate gyrus; regions involved in emotional behavior, information processing, and memory formation. These findings indicate that M6P/IGF2R may assist in the development of these brain functions. This postulate is reinforced by the identification of M6P/IGF2R as the first putative "IQ gene." By comparing children with an IQ of 160 or higher to those with an average IQ, M6P/IGF2R was shown to be linked with general cognitive ability ("g"). The role of this receptor in the development of cognitive function can now be systematically assessed with M6P/IGF2R conditional knockout mice.

    Tissue-Specific Inactivation of Muri

  10. Re:Give those with low IQ jobs. by Zoyd · · Score: 5, Informative

    brain development won't occur if people aren't _challenged_ to think.

    An illegitemate child named Isabelle was locked in a dark attic for years with her deaf and mute mother and no toys.
    http://www.google.com/search?q=%22locked+in+an+att ic%22+iq

    She caught up with her peers within two years of being rescued and was found to have a normal IQ. Apparently her brain continued developing normally in the absence of intellectual stimulation in the dark attic.

  11. Wrong in so many ways by BerntB · · Score: 3, Informative
    I guess we have this to compensate. I wonder how many other positive genes manifest only in males?
    Anyone with a teeny bit of biology knowledge can tell you that it doesn't work that way.

    Start with Googling for a definition of allele, to understand the concept.

    If some gene-dependent trait is "positive" or not depends upon the environment. (See e.g. malaria resistance and red blood cells.)

    In general, there are two things influencing wether a trait is on for males/females.

    • Males only get one copy of the genes on the X chromosome, so a non-dominant trait shows up easily because there is only one copy (e.g. colour blindness).
    • Also, genes are often regulated differently for between males/females (i.e. what genes are on or not).
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  12. $500/wk? by mjrmjr · · Score: 2, Informative

    How do you arrive at that figure? $5.15/hr @40hrs= $206. The employers tab for social security taxes is 6.25% of that, so add $13. Do employers pay a matching portion of the medicare tax, too? If so, add another $2-3. Now we're at $222. Where does the other $275 come from? It can't be health care costs, since we're only talking about what the law requires. Unemployment insurance? Required payments into a workman's comp fund? Maybe you can elaborate?

  13. IQ is supposed to level out with age by evenprime · · Score: 3, Informative
    IQ does not change significantly after age 7 or so. I wouldn't get my hopes up about things "leveling out".

    Got a reference handy? I may be reading this incorrectly, but Psychology Today published an article that appears to disagree with you.

    FACT 5: IQ evens out with age

    Imagine interviewing two biological siblings, adopted by two different middle class families, at age five and again at 18. Will their IQs be more alike when they are younger and living in the homes of their adoptive parents, or when they are older and living on their own? Many people reason that IQs will be more alike when they're younger because they are under the influence of their respective middle class parents. Once they are on their own, they may diverge as they become exposed to different experiences that may influence their intelligence differently.

    But according to data, this isn't true. As these siblings go out on their own, their IQ scores become more similar. The apparent reason is that once they are away from the dictates of their adoptive parents, they are free to let their genotypes express themselves. Because they share approximately 50% of their segregating genes, they will become more alike because they are propelled to seek similar sorts of environments. Genes may be more potent in making siblings alike than similarities in home environments.

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    1. Re:IQ is supposed to level out with age by Zoyd · · Score: 2, Informative

      evenprime wrote: > IQ does not change significantly after age 7 or so.

      Got a reference handy?


      The g Factor.

  14. Re:Only Caucasians tested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    "trying to describe the rioters without calling them black."

    The French call them bougnoules. It sounds like a kind of cake, to me.