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Gamers Better at Driving w/ Cell Phones?
sl4shd0rk writes "A lot of people think talking on the cell phone while driving is natural, but each time someone asks a question or changes the subject, it's like taking on a new task, Psychologists who study multi-tasking have argued for years about whether these "information bottlenecks" occur because people are inherently lazy, or because they have a fundamental inability to switch from one task to another. Mei-Ching Lien, an assistant professor of psychology at Oregon State University. "Even with a seemingly simple task, structural cognitive limitations can prevent you from efficiently switching to a new task."
I have to say that the best ones are those who play a lot of video games," she pointed out. "Those are lab studies, however, and not driving tests." " All I know is that I could get where I was going better if I could shoot turtles at others on the highway.
. . . I play Quake. Wonder if this works for drunk driving, too :).
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Woohoo, I knew this skill would come in handy someday ;-)
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Heavily practicing tasks allows one to perform them better and with more consistency than people who have never tried!
Has it yet been considered that humans aren't necessarily BAD at multitasking, but we're plenty of capable of training ourselves to be better at it? You know, much like we are with almost everything else that is a learned behavior.
And a lot of people (including many gamers) think it is not natural.
GET OFF THE PHONE AND DRIVE.
I talk about stuff.
All I know is that I could get where I was going better if I could shoot turtles at others on the highway.
:-D
Sure, but then the other cars will slow down or spin at your oil patches.
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Just because you're good with multitasking with your hands doesn't mean you're inherently better than other people at multitasking in a car. With one, there are no consequences for failure. When you're driving a car, serious injury or death is the result of failure.
It's just this kind of superiority BS by gamers that will get them killed in a car. There's a difference between games and real life.
I think driving with any kind of distraction will always make driving more dangerous, even hands-free kits, because you are trying to think about the conversation you are having whilst focusing on driving. Holding a phone up to your face might mean you lose the use of one your hands for driving, but it's what is going on that is taking you attention away.
Gamers are most probably more used to multitasking while doing activities, I can't count how many times I've had a conversation while play Gran Turismo 4 only to crash because of it, but as you do it more you get better.
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Relatedly, and I know this is anecdotal, but I try to conscientiously observe the driver when I see someone make a mistake at an intersection (when it is safe for *me* to do so, such as when I'm already *STOPPED* and some bloody fool runs a stale yellow/red light from the lane next to me.) More often than not, they are talking on a cellphone. Or eating, or drinking.
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I can multitask fine. I'm often doing 3-4 things at once (playing games while watching TV and talking on IM for example), but this is ridiclous and should NOT be encouraged. Almost every time I see a bad driver they're either talking on the phone or they're some asshole 20 year old with daddie's money paying for his new car, who just happens to have a death wish.
I don't care if you play games, play golf or play with yourself. You can't control a car with one hand (unless specially adapted), let alone control it with one hand while you focus on going "oh really? Yes? wow? cool!" over and over down a phone. If the call is THAT important then you can pull over and answer it, you'll take 5 minutes longer to get there but you arn't endangering my life.
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I know a lot of gamers who multitask incredibly poorly when playing games. There's a "zone" they get into, where distractions just don't get through - telephone, household pets, noise outside, a bomb in the next room, etc., none of it gets noticed.
Some folks might point out that a lot of modern games have in-game voice chat, but there's a key difference there - the players are generally talking about the game. So it's not really multitasking, it's just another piece of the single task they're involved in and focusing on.
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That's because the average person has no skills.
Most gamers on the other hand have like nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills, etc...
Having such a large repertoire of skills, over the years gamers have had to learn better multitasking skills out of necessity (unless, of course, you have a sweet bike or a mustache).
I'll just say that it's normal to embrace enthusiastically any message that tells you you're better than most other people.
Wohoo! I'm normal now!
Perhaps all driver license tests should include a multitasking reaction time test. The person would have to listen to and correctly answer questions about driving (i.e., a voice response version of the written part of the driver's test) while taking a simulated driving test that checks reaction time and the ability to multitask. You would have to both drive safely AND verbally answer the questions correctly. Those who pass both halves of the test get a license to use a cellphone whilst driving and those that don't don't. Retaking this test every 10 years would help deal with any age-related cognitive declines.
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Yeah, it reminds me of a joke about ultra male English drivers.
I break the speed limit, tailgate and drive after 3 pints. But it's ok, because I'm a good driver with a very fast car.
Testosterone poisoning I call it.
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Sure they can.
Can they learn to drive faster than the speed limit, safely? Sure they can.
Can they learn to drive safely while intoxicated? Sure they can. (think, drive slower, etc)
Does that mean we should encourage these things? Of course not.
The fact is, most people think they are better than average drivers. Given that you are piloting a few thousand pounds of steel and gasoline around, your focus should primarily be on doing that safely, not on doing your makeup/talking on the phone/rolling that joint/whatever.
I can assure you based on personal experience that you would think differently if you are ever actually involved in an pedestrian accident. Getting hit by a car (even one moving at only ~10mph) is an experience that *immediately* makes you a much safer driver in lots of ways. I'm just glad the dude that hit me was not talking on his cell phone or I might have also been run over too.
The Driver is supposed to operate the car safely. Period.
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...that this is illegal in the UK. I still see people on phones when driving and there is no way they can give attention to both the call and the road. If I'm at a pedestrian crossing I'll give drivers a wide berth if they're on the phone - all too often they'll just sail through a red light.
In all honesty, I don't like surveys like this as they seem to justify to some people that they are superhuman and do have the ability to do things that are just plain dangerous. Sure, some people may be able to drive and phone, but it's clear that you're obviously not giving the road 100% attention. It's not like there's a video chip and a sound chip in there and they work independently. People also have the ability to over-estimate their own skills and cause problems for others - drink driving for example. So for the love of God if you're in the UK, don't start using your phone just because you're a gamer...
Also a quick point; to those people who have hands-free headsets. It does not help if you do not wear them, then fumble to put on the sodding thing when a call comes in! That's just as dangerous, especially if - like they guy I saw drive into a tree at 30 mph - you were under the dash getting it out of the glovebox...
Gamers Better at Driving w/ Cell Phones?
"Those are lab studies, however, and not driving tests."
Wow.
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Let's face it, some people are just better driver with or without cell phones.
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Honestly, how is talking on a cell phone much more distracting than talking to a passenger in your car?
Because the people in the car with you react to the context you're in. Liking shutting up when you stop paying attention to them rather than saying "are you still there? hello? hello? I can't hear you... hello? are you okay...".
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Things that ARE dangerous are things like trying to operate a complex(ish) thing like a car stereo, GPS navigator, audio players etc.
...dealing with misbehaved children in the back seat...
The worst drivers by far are the ones that can't ignore a crying child in the back seat. You never hear complaining about that though, because it's trendy to hate cell phones, and it's taboo to say anything bad about mothers or children.
The fact of the matter is that most people who are bad drivers while talking on a cell phone are bad drivers when they're not too. (Usually because they don't care about what they're doing, so if they're not on the phone they'll be grooming, eating, racing, etc..) If you're driving recklessly, you should be removed from the road in a permanant fashion, regardless of the cause. Reckless driving is already illegal, and stupid sub-rules are just that: stupid.
Now I tuned my car to the max stripping all the boring bits off like roof, lights etc and powerslide my way around corners at 200 miles per hour (grand prix legends) but do you think that is tolerated? NOooooo. I guess the police here is still pissed they had to give up their porches and take it out on anyone who think the speed limit is meant to be a minimum.
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Give me an FPS and I'll headshot you with freakish reaction time. Give me a car and cell phone and I will kill your dog.
Unfortunately, like most people, you've got completely the wrong idea of why driving while using a mobile phone is dangerous. At this point, I'd like to pause for a moment to thank the UK government for introducing legislation attacking the wrong problem, and thus giving millions of drivers a false sense of security when they're using a hands-free kit.
In fact, if you look at the studies done in the UK and elsewhere before the explicit ban was introduced in the UK, the big problem is the loss of concentration. The physical incapacity caused by tying up one hand obviously doesn't help, but it makes far, far less of a difference to road safety.
The reason that talking on a phone isn't like talking to a person next to you is that a person next to you will sense when you need to concentrate, because they can see that you're approaching a hazard for example, and they'll shut up and not distract you while you navigate around the hazard. Someone you're talking to on a phone can't do that, and will change the subject, ask you a question, or otherwise attract your attention just as much when you're approaching a potential danger as when you're driving on an open road without another car in sight. Whether you're holding a little box near your ear or listening to someone through a speaker doesn't affect this at all.
If the UK government really wanted to improve the level of road safety rather than score cheap political points, they would have banned all mobile phone use while driving. Then again, the whole idea of such a specific offence seems a bit redundant when you already have legislation making dangerous driving illegal in general. Presumably someone thought it would draw more attention to the specific and increasing problem, or they were just after the political points.
In summary, this is wrong:
For most people, you simply don't need to use a phone while driving, period. If you want to talk to someone elsewhere while on the move, get someone else to drive. Doing anything less will dramatically increase your risk of having an accident, as surely as driving while drunk, tired or stoned.
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Then their is motor cycle riding course. How do you communicate with your instructor? Two way radio. This in a vehicle that requires and extra task namely of keeping upright. With the extra handicap that by the difinition of driving instruction that you are not very good at it yet.
Police motor cycle cops also use two way radio to communicate during high speed pursuits.
So basically a lot of people drive and talk at the same time. From trained proffesionals who should know about road safety to the most elite drivers in the world to newbies.
Personally I think it depends on the person. I seen people drive that shouldn't be allowed to even if their eyes were glued to the windscreen and others who can do a myriad of tasks and still be full aware of everything on the road and more important perhaps, the side of the road. If you ever road shotgun on a truck in the innercity you will know how important it is to keep track of kids playing in gardens. Trucks seem to have a magnetic field that pulls everyone in.
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There was an episode that was done a while that addressed this same problem. They had a gentleman from the DMV perform a driving test. Two of them had to take the test as a baaseline.Things like driving through pylons, and accelerating and stopping. All of these were low speed tests. They then did the test on their cell phones. They had to answer a bunch of different questiions, like "What colour is your hair, ' other questions to see if they could understand a series of questions. And different sets of demands on the phone. They then had to do the test again, but drunk. They had a couple of cops, doing a brythaliser test. They flunked both road test preatty mush the same. They were surpisred that the phone and the alcohol would affect them the same way. Of course lots of people would say ' well there isnt enough data to make that work.' But that is a good way to start. If you were to test 100 people in the same manner, I think that it would be surprisig. Shaggy
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I agree with your reaction time statement but not the overall assumption that the result would be the same.
In the example you site, all things are assumed to be equal up to the point that an immediate action has to be taken. Look at the two different situations a little deeper or back up in time about 15 seconds before the situation.
If you are aware of your surroundings, you can make a more logical choice or possibly see a potential hazard and prepare for it. Assume a dog running down the side of the street or even a person on a bicycle. You should notice this well before reaching that hazard by the reaction of others ahead of you. Cars slowing down, people moving slightly to the left to go around something should set of a flag in your mind that something is not right up ahead. You can adjust your driving prior to getting to the dog and be preparded just in case it darts out in front of you. Have you even been in the slow lane and notice the driver ahead of you in the fast line suddenly hits the brakes? Chances are, something is not right ahead and you should proceed with caution. Another obviously one that I have seen many times is the obvious break in traffic near an intersection. You know, the ones where cars waiting in multilane traffic leave a gap so others can get waved across through them to get to a side street? How often does someone come flying up that third lane and suddenly a car pops out of "no where" in front of them and gets t-boned. All of these examples are things you should expect but talking on the cell phone might prevent you from thinking about it. Sure, given equal reaction time, cell phone or not, you would react the same. Without the cell phone, there is a chance you could have indenified the potential hazard BEFORE you got there.
I'm pulling a theory out of my ass here and there is no real way to test these numbers but I'd wager that a much larger percentage of drivers not talking on a cell phone can tell you at any given time if there is a car riding next to them, behind them, or at an intersection ahead of them waiting to pull out compared to someone not on a cell phone. Your surroundings play a role in what action you should take if an emergency situation comes up. Waiting until the emergency situation to survey your surroundings and then react accordingly can not be as safe.
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It is possible to talk on the phone and drive. The trick is simple: you must make concentrating on the road your priority. What I mean is this: you must actively THINK that you are driving. Talking on the cell becomes of much lesser priority. If something interrupts your normal driving pattern just drop the phone instantly, just put 100% of all your capacities to the road. For example if someone cuts you off too damn close, you must act as if there is no cell phone in your hand. I admit, sometimes I drive that way. Of-course I prefer not to be on the phone while driving, but you can't do much about it. We spend too much time driving, there is no surprise that people talk on the phone, this is inevitable.
Unfortunately almost all people don't do it that way. For some strange reason they concentrate on the phone call and view their driving as the secondary task. This leads to accidents. Probably everyone who drives (myself included,) have witnessed someone doing something incredibly stupid while on the phone.
I actually think talking on the phone while driving should become part of the driving test. We can't stop people from talking on the phone. Really. They will use hands-free devices and no police will be able to enforce a law like that. So we must TEACH people to do it right. Part of the course and exam must include a person calling the driver, while the teacher/examiner observe the driver's behaviour. The driver must learn to pay 95% of his attention to the road, to observe the traffic laws AND follow them and to drive in real traffic conditions without endangering the rest of the world by their behaviour. They should be taught to drop the phone conversation instantly, I mean in a hundred of a millisecond and completely concentrate on the road if they feel that a dangerous situation is coming up. But this will probably prohibit many people from driving at all, but you know what? Then you should have an extra configuration in your driver's license: Did not pass drive while talking exam. The penalties for driving and talking and causing an accident should be extra-severe for these people.
I had an accident about 4 years ago (and no, I wasn't on the phone,) a fender-bender. Also I spun out of control once (I behaved stupidely, made a very sharp turn at a very high velocity) didn't hit anything but after a 270 turn both rear wheels went into a ditch. After these 2 incidents I have developed some kind of a reflex, when I stop paying attention to the road for even a millisecond, a scene plays in my mind: I FEEL like I am crashing into something HARD. I feel it with every cell in my body and it forces me to start paying fullest attention again. I am telling you, this feeling prevented me from doing quite a few stupid things and probably from a few accidents (I almost never go with the speed limit though, I always go at least 25% faster.) But you can't develop this reflex from instructions, unfortunately you have to go through bad things a couple of times to have it automatically. It's unpleasant to feel this, but if it saves me from an accident I am just glad that I have it.
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The thing is - most of those cases the driver is talking about something fairly related to the situation he needs to concentrate on.
;).
Not something totally unrelated.
The cop probably looking at the vehicle he's chasing, describing it, saying where it's going. I'd find that not so hard to do that myself.
He's not trying to think of whether his girlfriend's maroon skirt (gf: "Not the red one, _maroon_") will go fine with her new top, or whether what he says next will get him in trouble with her...
As for F1 drivers, they are drivers who are highly coordinated and can probably multitask and drive at highspeeds. At least the top ones should be able to practically drive around tracks in their sleep
Apparently when the F1 racers were made to race in go-karts years ago, Ayrton Senna apparently was driving whilst tweaking the fuel-air mix on his kart's engine at the same time.
Rally drivers might even better at these sort of situations.
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Like my sibling poster commented, your passenger reacts to your environment as you do. However, another important problem is the communication itself. Depending on who you talk to, most communication is 20-30% nonverbal. When you talk on the phone, you try to make up for this with more words and different inflections. Essentially, you try to make up for the lack of a face and hands by variations of voice.
Don't believe me? The next time you're talking with a friend, just tell them "bye" in the middle of a conversation, wave and walk away. They'll be a bit miffed/confused, but with the wave and you moving away they get the idea, especially if you have a stern look on your face implying anger. Contrast this to phone conversations. How many times have you said "bye" to each other on the same phone conversation, waiting for someone to hang up first?
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"Attention Deficit" is classified as a disorder by some. Not having it myself, I often think I a have trouble with the modern world - I like to focus on single tasks instead of being distracted and interrupted all the time.
I sense that this is one of those researchers that wants to classify ADD as a functional adaptation to post-modern life, rather than a disorder. Those with an *in*ability to "multitask" (ie, manage distractions) are the ones with the disorder.
As others have mentioned, when you're driving, you're taking control of a weapon. Even a small amount of carelessness when driving can kill one or more people. I find it mind-boggling how so many people have become anesthetized to the fact that they're actually driving a vehicle. Automatic transmissions, cush interiors, shock absorbtion that cushions the road, and other modern enhancements to automobiles make people remove the sense of inherent danger that makes people pay attention.
It's great that cars are safer and more comfortable than they used to be, but the number of near-accidents I see on a daily basis makes me think that we'd better hurry up with self-driving automobiles. The actual driving part of driving a car has become so secondary that we may as well remove it from human control altogether.
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A friend of mine says Counter-Strike saved his life. He was driving along when, from the edge of his vision, he saw someone throw something from the overpass onto the road.
Because of all the CS playing he was more perceptive of movement and he was trained in how to react to dangerous objects moving your way (grenade dodging). CS will also teach you to do all this quickly, otherwise you die.
He judged the trajectory of the stone and "decided" to break hard, the stone smashed into the road just ahead of him. The stone broke and the fragments cracked his windshield but at least he was alive.
He says he would have headbutted the stone at 100 Km/H if he hadn't been a games player.
Is it multitasking? Maybe, he didn't have a good description of the psycho who threw the stone. It was fast task-switching or maybe his brain put all it's multitasking power into the stone evasion stuff and didn't bother with the guy on the bridge because of that.
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Yes, but a passenger is MUCH more likely to alert you of an impending danger(they can see where you are, and of course don't want to die) than a person on a cell phone.
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