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Challenge to Transfer IT Power in MA
Andy Updegrove writes "Linda Hamel, the General Counsel of the Massachusetts department that is struggling to establish ODF for state use, has prepared a challenge to those in the State Senate that would strip State CIO Peter Quinn of his power to set IT policy. Her analysis graphically describes why a task force of political appointees has no business telling more than 2000 IT professionals what to do."
So the ODF opponents couldn't win their arguments to stick with MS formats, so instead they try restructuring the Government of MA??? This is just plum sick!
This is a case of a monopoly trying to close off competition to a competitor who does it free of charge. THAT is what the case comes down to.
That is what our federal government is. Drug companies support the FDA for quasimonopoly power. Radio conglomerates support the FCC. Teacher's unions support th DOEd.
Where do we differ?
I asked the office of the secretary of state if there was an alternative format since I could not edit the document for electronic submittal. I was told (actual quote) "Our only suggestion would be to locate a typewriter; most likely at your local public library."
Your post makes no sense (absolutely no sense) in light of the fact that Microsoft is the monopoly and this IT professional is not just arbitrarily deciding on an actually open standard (which Microsoft's format is not) but following the recommendations coming out of a competitive bidding process. And, by definition, an open standard nobody owns cannot be a monopoly. That would be like claiming oxygen is a monopoly because we all have to breathe it.
that no matter what decision is made in Mass., it *WILL* affect similar decisions around the globe. Even if the 'govermment' of Mass. decides to do things in a completely hair-brined way, others will see it for what it is. Not every state has a setup where the position of state CIO is in question, or could be.
The simple fact that this is becoming a 3-ring circus of zealous charicatures means that it will continue to be an issue around the globe for longer than it takes Mass. to cash the checks from Microsoft. More likely than not, if MS wins the 'contract' battle, another virus will put paid to the value of that decision. Even if ODF is not firmly established in the Mass. IT arena, it is gaining ground elsewhere, and this circus just gives more publicity to the reasons for having ODF in the first place.
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EVERY SINGLE COMMENT 'dada21' makes appears to be anarcho-capitalist in some way, for good, for bad.
The 'free market' --in this case, everyone stuck on Microsoft proprietary formats--IS NOT FREE IN ANY WAY.
If it was up to dada21 the USA would abandon all of its social programs. Does he understand that this is not the state governments telling companies what to do, it is their own damn internal policy?
"Taxachusetts"? Ever been to Europe, buddy? Alabama (failing schools, shitty roads, ridiculous poverty) is not the centre of the universe.
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Regardless of your opinion on the subjects, there is the war in Iraq, Social Security, Health Care, Education, the Economy and about a dozen other topics that deserve some attention before anyone should be cusading for a new document format.
I'm not exactly sure what the state of MA IT Director has to do with any of these topics, but choosing a standardized document format would be right up his alley. Unless of course MA's Head IT Guy has a Super-Gov-MegaBot which can cure everyone, end wars, fix SS, Education and the Economy in one fell swoop...
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microsoft was found to be a monopoly in court. This pretty much means they are acording to legal definition.
There is no hope in saying it isn't so, the sky is blue only when you can see blue.
Your analogies aren't quite applicable. The difference is that this is for the IT department of the state. That is, this is policy affecting only the government, not the governed. It's a support department.
The FDA, for example, approves drugs for general use by all people and companies in the US. On the other hand, this CIO approves (for example) operating systems for use by the government itself.
For these to be comparable, it would have to be more like "FDA approves drugs for everyone, and this CIO decides what OS every computer in MA (owned by the government or in your basement) will use".
These are not the same thing. When the government builds a bridge, the choice of whether to use concrete or plastic or chicken femurs IS left to the professionals. That's more on par with what we're dealing with here.
And if we focous all our attention on the "more important" things, after we are done with this round of "the war in $country, Social Security, Health Care, Education, the Economy and about a dozen other topics that deserve some attention", we will discover that all the little things have broken while we were crusading. Just because something isnt THE issue of the day doesnt mean it doesn't need to be taken care of.
Therefore Microsoft is not a monopoly? Ooh, I know this one. A-prioristic Randroid "reasoning." Your syllogism is missing a middle term.
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So basically, from the featured article, an "amendment" to an economic bill can result in rather severe changes to how the various parts of the MA government can operate? Somehow this seems familiar, we've seen these things happen before in the EU and elsewhere in the US when certain big mono- and oligopolists wants something which is not quite within scope of the currently proposed legislation, something that would be more obviously suspect if proposed as a separate bill.
Perhaps it is time for general ban "riders" and "amendments" that change the overall meaning of some proposed regulation, unless their consequences have been evaluated, or perhaps just an overall ban: if a bill is to be changed or augmented, it has to be cancelled and reintroduced from scratch. Something needs to be done about rampant law-making in general, this part of governments have been allowed to run riot and overwhelm the judicial processes. In MA as elsewhere.
Of course, this would just be another law, adding to the mess...
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You do not understand basic economics. A monopoly can certainly occur without force due to, for example, economies of scale.
A good example of a natural monopoly is the market for electricity and water. A monopoly can most efficiently deliver these services, so a free market will result in a monopoly. No government involvement is needed for the monopoly to occur.
Government regulation _is_ needed, however, if electricity and water to be priced at economically efficient levels. A private monopoly will price electricity and water at the profit-maximizing level, which because of monopoly power is higher than the price should be from a social standpoint.
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The only thing worse than pure, unfettered bureaucracy is pure, unfettered capitalism.
Both are essential to keep each in check.
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Hear, hear. I agree. We should be concentrating on the important stuff and not worrying that we are being taxed more and more to support forced upgrades in software or locked into a single vendor who could change thier prices or pricing model at any time knowing there is nothign that could be done about it.
If we fix all this other important stuff, the money saved alone should allow us to pay for anyhtign that might come from using a single vendor in all our data retention needs. Why waist it on wars or improperly funded educational systems when we can give it corperations that will eventualy donate alot of software and other materials to the schools.
I don't care if we they use microsofts new and improved word 3000 format if they open it up enough so that common people can easily obtain the tools neccesary to read and write in the format. This means supporting linux, Mac, Unix, Ultrix, jeff's newOS and whatever else is availible to the pulic. While microsoft wouldn't need to provide the support or the programs, the ability for the support to be there should exist.
The format war isn't a crusade for open document, it is a crusade for open government, an idea that a indevidual who may not be wealthy can esily obtain the materials neccesary to do business with the government. This business could be settling the estate of a loved one, paying thier property taxes, or attemping to see what thier property taxes will be next year, it could be anything. Average citizens shouldn't have to buy/pirate/goto someone who did, some expensive software program to enjoy the benefits of government. Anythign the government offers should be redily accessable to all reguardless of thier ability to drive somewere or spend a huge amount of money on software. It is supposed to be for the people not for the people that can afford it. An open document would provide a way for the poor to redily access the services of government as well as give pricing competition.
If microsoft or whoever makes the best tools that support an "open document format" I'm sure thier product would still be used. As it is, the objections from the big companies are more to the fact that they didn't develope it and why aren't you going to pay us anymore. I wanted to say so much more about this but i feel i have winded the pipes here. There is realy so much more to it then the surface can show. Your probably rite in that those other problems are a little more important. Sadly i think they have fix them as much as they are going to.
The fifth amendment protects a person under oath from incriminating himself, i.e. a right to remain silent. Microsoft didn't do anything of the kind; they lied in a court of law by presenting "evidence" of how much slower a IE-less Windows ran, and the prosecution proved and forced them to admit that the video was doctored. Self-incrimiation and trying to lie under oath are two very different things.
Also, I reject your fallacy of trying to redefine what I say as some sort of land analogy. I said nothing of the kind. See my reply in the cousin thread.
Most companies, people who have called the IT department because they could not figure out how to turn on their computers will set IT policy or will mandate technology shifts because they got sold by someone that sounded good. Meanwhile, the IT people who actually know about the stuff are forced to impliment bad decisions knowing it will usually cost more and mean more work for them.
> 20/20's John Stossel discovered that privatized water and electricity is safer, cheaper and more abundant.
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What do you mean by "privatized"? The providers weren't regulated at all? I didn't say the government had to _provide_ water and electricity - it probably would be best if they didn't - I said they had to _regulate_ it. I'm pretty sure all drinking water in the U.S. is regulated by the FDA or EPA anyway, so there can be no such thing as "privatized" water. Furthermore, what do you mean by "more abundant"? That makes no sense unless you don't have running water or you're suffering brownouts all the time. And I'll agree that California set the price too low for a while
> If MS sold strictly direct-to-consumers, I'd be concerned.
Why? Retailers are in a different market. If one company were selling bananas it wouldn't matter if we could buy the bananas from Walmart, Kroger, or Tom Thumb.
> They don't. 12,000 retail companies are not forced to sell Windows/Office. They're asked to by their customers.
This is irrelevant. Microsoft is a big monopoly, and a lot of retailers sell their products to a lot of people who want to buy them. So?
Monopolies are inefficient partially because they charge too much for their products. $450 or however much it costs for Office is a lot more than it costs to copy the disk. Same with $200 for Windows. If people who would be willing to pay for the cost of making the physical CD do not have the products because they aren't willing to pay what Microsoft charges, there is inefficiency in the market.
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Then again, there's the commerce clause which states:Clearly, if the states adopt incompatible document standards, there would be a problem. Ostensibly, Congress dealt with this issue when it created the National Bureau of Standards and left standardization issues to them. However, in this case, there's clearly a set of deep pockets wandering around trying to influence Congress to take a special oversite interest in this particular standard.
How to counteract somebody handing out millions of dollars? Talk to your congressperson.
Back when Clinton was pushing the Clipper chip, I put together a group of technologists and setup a meeting with my local congressman. We told him why Clipper was a bad idea and why people needed strong encryption. Once he understood that banking and trade could be adversely affected if people couldn't be sure their purchases were secure, he agreed to vote against the proposal.
There were lots of geeks doing the same thing across the country and the Clipper died as a result. It can happen again.
You are so off the mark I hardly know where to begin. The CIO is appointed, get over it. There are lots and lots of people hired by state government to carry out the business of the state. It would be a disaster if a state CIO had to raise funds and campaign for office.
The decision to adopt ODF was not an arbitrary CIO decision. A process was followed to identify the needs of the Commonwealth. Then there was a panel composed of industry representatives, (Microsoft, Sun, Novell, Redhat and others were all there.) PDF and ODF were determined to be the best fit for document formats that meet the needs of the Commonwealth. Being open formats, they are well documented, they will be readable generations from now, and their openness ensures that Massachusetts can accept bids from a variety of vendors. There's also a big piece about converting data from legacy systems.
As for the elected officials being concerned with the document format --- consider if the IT department does nothing. Within a few years everyone will be creating MSXML formatted documents, with no input from elected officials, and what's more to the point, with absolutely no examination of the implications of that format change.
"If the ELECTED officials want to form a task force of qualified industry specialists to analyze a change in THEIR state that will affect the people they represent they are not only entitled to do so, but should." -- Did you read the article? The task force consists of 8 people, possibly 3 of whom will know anything about technology. Of those 3, two will be representatives from industry -- one in IT, one in telecom. The remaining 5 people all have other full time duties. The point of the fine article is that the CIO is being strongly supported by the General Counsel to the department that will be affected by the ODF document policy. (In case you didn't realize it, the move to ODF was a policy decision within the Executive Branch, the response is coming in the form of an amendment being considered by the Legislative Branch-- an amendment which, according to general counsel, will effectively paralyze the Commonwealth.
So getting back on track here, keep the following points in mind. (1) Mass. ITD did something well within their mandate, and they did it in a public and proper way. (2) A member of the Mass. legislature became upset or fearful, perhaps due to influence from a large corporation's lobbyists (3) In response, an amendment with far-reaching effects on the commonwealth's ability to conduct business was attached to an unrelated bill. (4) A department whose job is to point out the implications of government decisions has weighed in against the amendment.
In summary, this is a good thing. Whether you are for or against vendors actually meeting the stated needs of their customers, you must agree that an ill-considered amendment to an unrelated bill is not the best way for a legislator to deal with his fear of change.
The salient point here is that the CIO makes a decision that MS does not like. MS then "meets" with the executive branch and exchanges "goodwill" and a few nudges and winks. Next think you know the executive branch wants to strip the CIO of the power to make technological decisions.
If I was a MA resident I would be extremely alarmed.
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Locking vendors into your software isn't a monopolistic practice, it is common every day business practice and has been since time immemorial. You propose instead what? That Microsoft create and give to the world standards that anyone can write to for any platform? That's like telling Hardinge to create and give to the world a universal spindle standard. Standards are adopted by force of market, not idiotic movements.
Microsoft has every right to do with their OS whatever the Hell they wish and it is their job to respond to market forces or go out of business. If you want Linux to be adopted, make it as easy to use for the common user as Windows XP. It isn't, and won't be, because it is dominated by "hard is beautiful because it lets me show off because I have insecurity issues" geeks. XP isn't. My mother-in-law can maneuver through Windows XP Pro and Office XP like a speed demon. Ten years of training would be needed for her figure out how to find xorg.conf to change her monitor resolution and not fark it up. Most of the people thinking Linux is on par with Windows are either seriously delusional or too young to remember the lack of productivity in offices on DOS prior to Windows. It's MS' OS and they've cornered the market simply by putting out a better OS that at its worst is still better than Linux when it is slightly cranky. A truly farked Linux box is masochism delight.
Your post and extreme libertarian viewpoint (and that of the more ultra extreme version, the political anarchist), has a decidedly machavelian ring to it.
Let me preface by stating that I tend to agree with the core fundamental values of libertarianism; I believe a society is generally better off if the reach of the powerful, what it takes the form of restricting the lives of others, is as limited as possible. But, as many wiser than myself have noted throughout history: "All things in moderation"
The notion that any entity, individual or corporation, has some untennable right to use any and all means available in the quest for profit is based on a world-view that doesn't quite mesh with reality. Now, I don't believe you are saying something so extreme, right? I mean, presumably, you would be opposed to allowing a corporation to commit bodily harm as part of their "domination strategy." Assuming your viewpoint is at least that reasoned, what about less direct forms of manipulation (coercion)? Should a company, if capable, be permitted to "blacklist" employees of the competition; e.g. sully their names such that they find future employement difficult if their current employer becomes insolvent?
The point is that there must be a line drawn somewhere , if only because certain members of humanity have a weakness for exploiting others to the detriment of society. It is an overly-simplistic view which considers force to only exist at the end of a gun barrel; that's simply the most direct and final form of it.
If a company or individual has primary control over an essential supply chain, they have the ability to force distributors into exclusively using their product; simply by virtue of the fact that by severing the chain the distibutor will suffer economic disadvantage to the point of being unable to continue operations. This is exactly why we have anti-trust regulation. Not that there is anything inherently wrong with being a monopoly (depending on how you got that way), but the moment you start leverging that as a tool of force to combat existing or new competition, rather than competing on the merits of product alone, you have stepped over the line into societal antagonism.
Got a little unresolved anger there, don't you? It takes force and coercion to create a monopoly, only government can do it, and our government doesn't put a gun to anyone's head to make them buy Windows. It doesn't necessarily take force or coercion to create a monopoly, but it's illegal to use monopoly power to maintain market dominance. If a company gets into the business first, or buys out its competitors, or corners the supply of a necessary raw material, or makes the best widget, it may naturally monopolize the market. IIRC, monopolies aren't even illegal in and of themselves. It is the abuse of monopoly power to control the market (and hence, to maintain the monopoly) that is illegal.
I think it's entertaining how you go on about the end users paying corporations for what they want. Isn't the state of Massachussetts a customer? Don't they have a need that can not be met with an encumbered document format? Mass is a big customer. Anybody but Microsoft would be falling all over themselves to ensure that Massachusetts gets an open format.
And your last paragraph just makes me laugh. The PC propogated in large measure because IBM's competitors could make inexpensive clones. It's the opposite of monopoly power. The internet exists because a number of different ideas came together in a useful way -- among them, US defense department and university researchers needing a communications protocol (TCP/IP) and Tim Berners-Lee being interested in document sharing. And yeah, Al Gore was actually responsible for some of the legislation that changed the web from a defense research network into what it is today.
But hey, none of this really matters very much. In fifty years, we'll either be huddling around post-apocalyptic trash fires to keep warm, or computing will be a ubiquitous utility.
In Massachussetts, what percentage of the people are using Microsoft Word or Adobe PDF, and what percentage of them are using software that support ODF?
So what you're saying is that because we use a closed format today we should use it tomorrow. And because we use it tomorrow we should use it the next day? And so on ad infinitum?
Sometimes you need to make a short term investment for long term gain. This is one of those times.
The same applies to any organisation with vendor lockin, on an upgrade train or lacking needed transparency.
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Think about it. Every medium size to large office with PCs is going to need IT people. I'm surprised they can handle a whole state with just 2000 people. You got DMVs and all those systems, State Troopers with laptops, state tax people, heath care services, the Governor, Lieutenant Governor and all their people, Attorney General, the lottery people, weights and measures. I could go on. Think about all the services that the state provides. Its huge. Needless to say its a lot of computers, networks, and people who probably are not too good at using them. This day in age where the most savy people are not using Microsoft, its important everyone can exchange information.
Think of how much it must have cost MS to "influence" all the people needed so that restructuring a state legislature isn't dismissed out of hand. To say nothing of the PR groups, the pay-for-pay reporting (mentioning no names, Boston Globe) and all the rest of it.
Anything Quinn might have wanted - it would have been cheaper to just give it to him. The fact that this wrangle is still going on suggests that this isn't about negotiated discounts or personal profit. Especially since Microsoft's preserving their highly lucrative office software monopoly with its 75% profit margins remains a far more plausible explanation.
Oh, and speaking of the Boston Globe, did you know they printed complete retraction of the smear job they did on Qinn? Right in the back where no-one would see it, but printed nevertheless. With all the current attempts to smear Quinn, I think any genuine dirt would have surfaced by now.
Lacking any actual wrongdoing, the best they can manage is cheap innuendo
Don't let THEM immanentize the Eschaton!
I sense those in the state senate have shiny new Swiss bank accounts. Its funny how much Senators care when they are paid shills.
It's much worse than that. This has become a power struggle. It isn't money that concerns them primarily and it isn't what the policy should be. It's having power in setting the policy that matters to them now.
Why on Earth are you wasting your time posting on
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Sorry, but I need to pick a nit. It seems that the nudge-n-wink was directed to the legislature, in an effort to deprive the executive branch of their IT autonomy. I know people here are eager to dump on "this administration", whomever that may be at the time, but this time, "this administration" are our heroes.
As usual, Microsoft is acting more like a crime syndicate, than a corporation.
Microsoft doesn't care that everyone can see what they are doing. On the contrary, Microsoft wants other politicians to get the message, which is, "Do what we want, or there will be consequences."
And it will probably work, at least, for a while. Most politicians would rather deal with criminals, than have their jobs threatened.
But it won't always work. Many people, including politicians, don't take kindly to extortion.
This will only add to the growing sentiment to avoid Microsoft, and its products, altogether. A growing number of businesses and political jurisdictions will have the guts to stand up to Microsoft, and choose other alternatives.
Eventually, the day will come when even the most cowardly politicians and CEOs will feel emboldened enough to say no to Microsoft.
If you're a resident of MA- please take the time to write your Senator and Representative to express your support for Mr. Quinn and the ODF. You can look up your representatives here: http://www.mass.gov/legis/citytown.htm
Here's what I've sent to my Senator. The letter to my Rep added that as one of the few Republicans in the House he might want to take this opportunity to distinquish himself....
Hon Steven Panagiotakos
Room 218
Boston, MA 02133
Dear Senator,
I am writing to express my support for the recent efforts of the Massachusetts CIO, Peter Quinn in his drive to ensure accessibility for the citizens of Massachusetts. I'm very disappointed the Senate would consider ignoring or altering the recommendations of Mr. Quinn and his staff. The citizens of Massachusetts deserve to have unfettered access to the electronic records of the state. Our state has an opportunity to step out and obtain widespread recognition for leadership; we should not succumb to backroom deals or crooked politics- it is vital we follow the recommendations of Mr. Quinn and adopt the Open Document Format for all documents and publications. I value our freedom to choose and do not wish to be subject to the whims of a monopoly. The adoption of the Open Document Format is an important step in taking back the information paid for by our tax dollars. What is paid for by all should be accessible to all and no alternative is acceptable.
Respectfully,
As an OS/2 programmer, let me respond to some of your comments: Of course, it would given that it descends from Unix, arguably the dumbest thing ever conceived this side of OS/2. Back when OS/2 was in it's 1.3 version (15 years ago), it was being used to control store systems (IBM's 4600 series registers) and end user banking systems (4700 teller terminals and ATM's). When MS-Dos 4.1 came out, when installed or re-installed on a PC with OS/2 installed, it would report "You have OS/2 installed. There may not be enough room to install DOS. Would you like to remove OS/2?". This when installing a single floppy image on a FAT partition with 2+GB free. Together, MS-Dos and Windows 3.1 required less than 5MB to install and run. In addition, I had created a transaction processing system which utilized 3 processes, each running 8 threads, to run an automated dispatch system. One process received dispatch requests and communicated status on an ongoing basis to requestors connected through a VAX. The second opened calls an monitored status on an IBM Mainframe, connected via 3270 controllers. The third kept status updated on DB/2 SQL based databases in 3 locations nationwide. Meanwhile, the company had a NT3.51 testbed which would bluescreen while sitting idle. Which O/S was more capable? I also had occasion to create an assymetric multiprocessor complex for doing massively paraless processing. One processor (the control processor) controlled up to 64 others which would each receive a packet for processing through a neural network. This system ran successfully on OS/2 and *nix* systems (not only Linux, but also Solaris on E4K to E10K systems). Which O/S was more capable? If IBM's sales force had not totally neglected OS/2 (and followed the NEXT model of pricing operating system software) the system would probably still be around. Of course, since you were going to pay for windows on a new PC whether or not you were going to use it, IBM's pricing model priced it out of the end-user market. Keep in mind that, 15 years later, the primary way of repairing a broken windows install is to wipe and reinstall. The Windows model of placing any and all software in system directories, along with leaving write permission open in same, allows and promotes software which can seriously compromise system operation with no safeguards. The extension of this model (the System Registry) makes removing misbehaving software extremely difficult. The fact that a program which needs to be able to open up a TCP/IP port above 1023 requires system level privileges indicates extremely poor programming practice suited only to a non mission critical system that only one person should use. This describes ALL VERSIONS of Windows to a "T".
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People joke that Louisiana is the northernmost bananna republic. I hope not to have to welcome Mass to the club, but turnabout is fair play.
The more I think about it, the more Microsoft looks like the United Fruit Company. The only differences are that the United Fruit Company actually built real infrastructure, like railroads, and you can only grow a bananna in the tropics. It looks like you can farm PCs and treat their users like peons at any latitude.
Let's see if a great US state with some of the best IT staff and best universities for IT in the world can resist bribery and persue excellence. If they can't, no one can. That's what this is all about. The world is watching and M$ is desperate to "demonstrate" that IT experts want M$ junk.
What's funny is that their demonstration proves only that M$ is used only because it's forced on people by idiots.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Untrue, because the stage of the process where a vendor is selected hasn't even started yet. They had a process they used to decide on which document format would fit thier standards, and they chose OpenDocument. The hoopla now is over that, and is only incidentlly about which vendor will actually be used for deployment - which, of course, is only an issue because Microsoft won't support OpenDoc and there's a massive vested interest and borderline political corruption in keeping Microsoft as the office software vendor for MA. This is a *perfectly normal* and common way of managing a bid process, and makes total sense when you consider that the goal is a standardized *document* policy, rather than standardized desktop software. Incidently, you saw some of the same sort of things happen as IP got big. Someone would want to standardize on an IP network and the vendors would bitch and whine that they shouldn't be defining the protocol, just requirments for the protocol, and why don't you keep our big fat IPX/Appletalk hybrid network you pay us so much to make for you?
Just what the people in our government should be worrying about right now is passing a law to create a new level of beurocracy to strip routine operational and efficency decisions away from the appropriate department heads and experts. Regardless of your opinion on the subjects, there is the war in Iraq, Social Security, Health Care, Education, the Economy and about a dozen other topics that deserve some attention before anyone should be cusading for a new document format. I mean seriously, there are so many other more important issues on the table...
It is obscene that some representatives in the Massechusettes legislature are trying to wage some battle to prevent departments from using the best and most appropriate document formats.
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