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Reality TV "Astronauts" Lift Off

RJG writes "In the latest reality show on British TV, three British "space tourists" last night succesfully blasted off on a five day mission and are currently orbiting the earth 200 miles up. Or so they think. And to forestall the first question. They aren't experiencing weightlessness due to a combination of being in a low orbit (rather than outer space where the weightlessness is) and a few under-floor gravity generators."

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  1. the producers believe the players think this? by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The lesson here is the same one as in the U.S. with Jay Leno's Tonight Show: You get to be on TV if you can act like you are really stupid.

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  2. *sigh* gravity generators by luvirini · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Seems indeed that many people are stupid.. if we could manipulate gravity.. would not likely need rocket engines..

    not to mention the fact that a TV show would not be first one to have them for real.. :)

  3. Re:America has officially lost its monopoly on stu by Zenaku · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And no matter how low they fly, they'll still be over your head.

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  4. The "Casting Call" episodes must be the best by ianscot · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Apparently, any prospective 'astronaut' who showed even the slightest glimmer of comprehension of the [rudiments] of physics was automatically disqualified.

    No kidding. We don't need to watch the Capricorn One sequences in which these nitwits are faked out by the producers; just show us the moments when a prospective "space tourist" showed that glimmer of intelligence and skepticism, only to be promptly whisked from the room to avoid contaminating the other hopefuls. As with American Idol (supposedly), the early elimination rounds would be the most watchable.

    But I never watched "Idol" because the idea of the early shows bugs me, and I hate this, actually.

    A show in which people volunteered to go through a *real* space training program, say the equivalent of NASA shuttle crew training, could have been interesting and would have taught the audience something. It also could easily have put the audience through the same voyeuristic "look at human nature" experience reality shows are supposed to be good for. (Whatever.)

    Instead we get yet another show by, for, and about mean and stupid people. What's the point of tricking the dufuses this way, other than to ridicule them and to show you can do it? That's sociopathic programming. Oh, wait... Maybe that's the "reality" part.

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    1. Re:The "Casting Call" episodes must be the best by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Insightful


      I think the whole idea of this program is sick. The gist of it is to laugh at people who think something great is going to happen to them, so that the audience can go "Ha ha" when it turns out they've been had.

      On the one side you've got the fact that the physics and economics doesn't work.
      On the other side, you have a television companies resources and experience, professional actors, a peer group that all believe what's happening, a sustained attempt to fool these people, a poor education on their part, and the faint glimmer of hope (soon to be extinguished) that something wonderful might actually happen to them.

      Shame on the TV company that has rooted out people who didn't get a decent education so that they can pick on them. Shame on the audience who get off on that.

      IMHO.

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    2. Re:The "Casting Call" episodes must be the best by ltbarcly · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Three Cheers for the TV Company that rooted out these people who didn't get a decent education so that they can pick on them!

      Idiots deserve no quarter. If they are stupid enough to believe that 'low orbit has gravity' or in 'gravity generators' then I'm all for mocking/teasing them.

      After they are done they shouldn't even tell them it was a hoax. They should just send them home and wait for them to find out when they watch the first episode with all of their friends and family.

      Yes, it is harsh and cruel. But I for one am tired of letting dumb people off with a wink. They will certainly demand that the world work around their mental dilapidation when it suits them.

      Oh, criminals! Do you think that most of the people who will stab you for $10 are geniuses? No. Stupid people commit violent crimes.

      Those bullies you had to deal with? Oh yea, they went on to found an Internet Startup... wait, I'm thinking of all your dork friends. The bullies are now working at the hat store in the mall. While some might say that life is their punishment, I say put them on TV and trick them into thinking they won the lottery, when really they are wanted for beating their girlfriend. Tell them that they have been selected for a free trip to Tahiti, and then hand them a one way ticket and secretly report their credit cards stolen and replace their drivers license with "Salmun Mohomed Jihaddii"'s drivers license. Just don't forget to film it!

      This show avenges us just a little bit for every person that cuts us off because they don't understand how a four way stop works, and for all the government employees we have to deal with.

    3. Re:The "Casting Call" episodes must be the best by Syberghost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's possible to do this sort of hoax and end up having not made a fool of the subject(s), but instead given them an opportunity to choose to make fools or heroes of themselves. See two seasons of Joe Schmoe for examples of this.

      It's also possible to do this and end up just being mean jackasses. See The WB's Superstar USA for an example of this.

      Which sells, and which doesn't? Joe Schmoe ran two seasons, and the first "winner" has been on other reality shows, where he's welcomed and regarded as a great guy. Superstar USA appeared to kind of peter out with a dismal ending and contestant on the verge of tears, and has never been heard from again. The "winner" is widely regarded as a life-support system for a lovely set of breasts.

      Spike has feelers out for a third season of Joe Schmoe, on their web site. All mention of Superstar USA appears to be gone from the WB web site other than the first press release announcing they were going to do the series.

    4. Re:The "Casting Call" episodes must be the best by tsa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Idiots deserve no quarter. Etc...

      That's pathetic. People can't help having difficulty understanding things. And being a moron doesn't necessarily have anything to do with being stupid. I know a few very intelligent people who are complete and utter bastards. Those are the ones to look out for.

      You, person, are frustrated, but it's not fair to vent your frustration on all the people who appear less intelligent than you think you are.

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    5. Re:The "Casting Call" episodes must be the best by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Insightful


      This show avenges us...

      Us? This last paragraph says it all. I hate to break this to you, but people who bully others at school are not necessarily stupid. Nor are intelligent people necessarily unpopular.

      If you surround people with "experts" and they tell you that in low-earth orbit there is gravity, then unless you have a good education and faith in it, then wont you believe them? After all, there's gravity on Earth and it doesn't just stop when you leave the ground... it just gets less and less, so if you're close enough to the Earth then you'll still feel gravity wont you? You'll fall you say? Well, get a weight on a string and twirl it around. If you get it going fast enough then it can overcome gravity by not falling, yes? So because the ship is going round the Earth really fast, it doesn't fall, right?

      Now I can see the flaws in that, but then I have a basic knowledge of physics and I'm not being corrected by older engineers and scientists who laugh at me when I try to tell them that I thought gravity would stop in space.

      I have two problems with this show. The first is that few people seem to think about how they would handle a long-lasting and professionally funded and staged hoax. The second is that I find it sad that people get pleasure out of picking on those less able than themselves. Given your rant about bullies at school you once felt the same about that.

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    6. Re:The "Casting Call" episodes must be the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Idiots deserve no quarter. If they are stupid enough to believe that 'low orbit has gravity' or in 'gravity generators' then I'm all for mocking/teasing them."

      That kind of thinking is ok as long as you accept that people who are smarter than you have the right to mock/tease and publicly humiliate you on national television too.

    7. Re:The "Casting Call" episodes must be the best by Dirtside · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Idiots deserve no quarter. If they are stupid enough to believe that 'low orbit has gravity' or in 'gravity generators' then I'm all for mocking/teasing them.
      So if someone is born with low intelligence (which is obviously no fault of theirs), then it's okay to mock them and tease them. How about Down's Syndrome kids? How about autistic kids? How about people with birth defects who have no arms or legs, or can't build bone mass properly and so have brittle bones that break frequently? How about [insert birth defect here]?
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    8. Re:The "Casting Call" episodes must be the best by Scooter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. If a physically stronger person sets out to humiliate another becasue they lack physical strength or dexterity, we recognise that as bad. It goes on all the time for sure, but that doesn't make it right. I feel the same is true of other human attributes. If you're a physically large guy with muscles the size of Kong's, don't pick on the weedy guy. If you're mentally well endowed, don't pick on the hard of thinking - try and help them understand a bit more instead.

      Trouble is though, these people aren't just uneducated or dim-witted: it takes a very large ego to fall for this sort of stuff - have you *seen* the set? I mean these guys may not know anything about basic physics, but even so, don't they watch reality TV shows enough to recognise one when they see it? TV shows like this have been done before in the UK - notably "BrassEye" - a fake current affairs TV show. Some very otherwise astute, and often well known people were duped into the most incredibly obvious fake-ups. It seems to me that this works using the subjects own arrogance. I mean for this current crop to actually believe some organisation would be willing to invest billions to put their unworthy arses in orbit??? The fact that the set looks like it was made on Blue Peter, and they're not allowed in the "cockpit" ?

      But still - certianly in the UK, we will laugh and joke with these guys when they emerge - and then pay them large sums of cash to appear on those shows that have people who are famous for being on those shows, er.. on them. And good luck to em - thats what I say. Jade Goody is still making good money out of it even now.

      Loved the Uranus mantra. "We are begging to come in".

      Cheers,
      Scoot.

      Oh - and those other shows like XXX Idol, X Factor, Fame Academy? All hoaxes. Every one. It was all staged to dupe 3 celebs into thinking they were judging a talent contest. Honest. They were really on the moon being experimented on by a race of creatures from somewhere near Betelgeuse 5, who all look remarkably like Jeremy Paxman. Yeeesss.

  5. Re:gravity generators? by tocs · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ... Reality Shows

    The viewing public deserves to be laughed at...

  6. The joke is on all of you. by ashitaka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course the "astronauts" know it's just a show.

    Of course they know they're not in space.

    What you are witnessing is the first real reality show backlash. The TV programmers have figured out that there are enough gullible people in the world who watch and believe these shows that they can hire a basically competant series of actors who go through the motions of a reality series. Come on, they've been able to study the reactions of reality show participants for months if not years.

    The real "participants" in this series are the audience who laugh at "players" they think are stupid enough to believe what they are going through and post messages on blogs and sites like Slashdot being so witty about America not being the only stupid country. The producers can then show all these blogs and the reactions of audience members who they've interviewed before revealing the that the joke is on them.

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    1. Re:The joke is on all of you. by driftingAimfully · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That hadn't occurred to me. Hmm, maybe it's me being fooled. I admire your cynicism.

      But, on second thoughts, I don't think you're likely to be right. For one reason: money. If they make idiots of 12 people then 10 million people (I'm guessing the audience size) laugh and feel good and watch more Channel 4 and buy stuff that is advertised in the gaps between the show. (Okay, maybe 9,999,842 people laugh and 58 people complain indignantly - as is their right).

      But, if they make idiots of 10 million people then 10 million people feel a bit foolish and sort of laugh and sort of feel stupid and when the Next Reality Show comes along (as it surely will) then they are less likely to watch and less likely to buy stuff that is advertised in the gaps between the show. (Okay, maybe 9,999,842 people feel stupid and 58 people say "aha, I told you!").

      Or, to put it another way, don't buy the hand that feeds you.

      I'm going to watch it tonight anyway. It is funny. Maybe a little lengthy, but these shows seem to be designed to fill in the time between adverts.

  7. Re:gravity generators? by ashitaka · · Score: 4, Insightful

    assuming that they aren't paid actors

    Good, good. You're beginning to get the picture...

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  8. Re:America has officially lost its monopoly on stu by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At least they're making fun of their stupid people, we tend to put our morons on pedestals.

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  9. Re:Idiot Perspective by yotto · · Score: 3, Insightful

    *What if the people on this show are just actors? Who would be the idiot then?*

    The same people who are the idiots now: The people who watch the show.

  10. Are they really that stupid? by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everybody seems to think that these people are really stupid. But firstly, I think people on slashdot are into technology, and therefore know what is and isn't possible. Also, these people have no reason not to believe the producers aren't telling them the truth. The Milgram Experiment show that people will do stuff that they don't want to do, just because some guy in a white suit says that they should. I believe this shows that people are going to believe the guy in the white suit, even if what he says is a little far fetched.

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  11. Re:America has officially lost its monopoly on stu by jeffy210 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You obviously haven't seen any Japanese game shows....

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  12. Double Hoax by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The conspiracy theory is that the "cadets" know the show is fake, and the hoax is actually on the audience. It seems hard to believe that 3 people could really be this gullible, but I suppose if they're carefully fed information, who knows...

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  13. Re:Dramatic Final Episode by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many of the reality shows in the US are packed with professional actors, but not because they are actors. They are there because they have the time and willingness to be on the show. They want to be actors, but are just participants in the show. Many careers have been launched from success in reality shows, so lots of actors are trying to get on them as participants.

  14. Re:Dramatic Final Episode by Hrodvitnir · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not all aspiring actors and actresses serve food.

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  15. Re:America has officially lost its monopoly on stu by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Alternately, perhaps the participants know it is fake and choose not to let on. I always suspect this when I see a hypnotism show. I think many of them aren't really "under," but it's a matter of peer pressure, and "hey! I'm on stage in front of everybody!" TV exposure is valuable, and I think a lot of the "reality" shows get overwhelmed by wannabe actors who just want to parlay an appearance into a career in entertainment.

  16. Re:[all of them are actors] by Omestes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm too lazy to hunt, but above this comment there are several links to a page that confirms this. At least two of the non-actors are actors.

    Do you really think that journalists dig that deep in entertainment peices? (or any peices nowadays).

    How hard is it to dupe the average TV audience? Reality shows have a formula which they follow, based around shallow human emotions. These shallow human emotions are pretty easy to do. It wouldn't be hard to find a cast to act like petty idiots.

    This is what people expect. Why would they ever question?

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  17. Re:America has officially lost its monopoly on stu by taion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Brilliant! It's a hoax within a hoax. Misleading the public to believe that we're misleading our contestants, eh? Wouldn't that be ingenious?

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  18. Re:America has officially lost its monopoly on stu by PriceIke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In other words, everything they "learned" about spaceflight from this little "voyage" they will have to unlearn because it's probably made-up hooey to perpetuate their ignorance. Assuming these kids are as dumb as they're playing on the show (which is debatable), what's happening to them is cruel, not funny.

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  19. from the where-do-you-find-people-this-stupid dept by pgilman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    in front of their televisions, watching "reality tv."

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