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HD Era Doesn't Start Till Sony Says So

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GamesIndustry.biz is reporting on comments from Phil Harrison, who says that consumers looking for an HD experience should wait for the PS3. From the article: "The true definition of HD is the three elements of the HD value chain - the display, the content and the hardware to play back that content ... and PlayStation and Sony is the only organisation that has all three bits of the value chain together."

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  1. HD Chain by 77Punker · · Score: 2, Informative

    The true definition of HD is something along the lines of "a tv set that's more than 640x480." You could say an HD chain is any old thing that can do HD plus any old HD TV. So, why is this even an article?

    1. Re:HD Chain by Microangelo · · Score: 1

      "So, why is this even an article?" Two words: Sony's Balls.

    2. Re:HD Chain by /ASCII · · Score: 4, Informative
      Why is there an article? Because Sony says so!

      There seem to be two claims in the article, though they are both kind of vauge.

      The first one is that 720p is not true HD. 720p is 1280*720 @ 60Hz, which is roughly 5.3 higher than SD as used in DVDs, i.e. 720*480 @ 60/2 Hz. 1080p is 1920*1080 @ 60 Hz, another 2.2 times more than 720p. So the step between 720p and 1080p is much smaller than the one from 480i to 720p. It should also be noted that 720p and 1080i contain roughly the same amount of information. It is very unclear to what degree Sony will support 1080p. While the PS3 itself will support it, that does not mean all games will. Sony has made no such statements. Sonys consumer level projectors that are sold today use 720p resolution internally. Blu-ray will support both 720p and 1080p. While many movies will probably be released in 1080p, they are originally shot at 24 FPS, which means they will actually contain less information thatn a full 720p signal, i.e. less information than the 'not HD' Xbox 360. I don't know if there are any tv-series shot in higher resolution than 720p, but I'm sure there aren't many. So there will be very little content for Sony to release that can outperform what the Xbox 360 does today.

      The second claim is even more vauge. You need three things for HD:

      1. A HD compatible TV-set
      2. Something that can generate an HD signal (like a HD reciever, PS3, a PC or a Xbox 360)
      3. Some HD material (Like a game for the Xbox 360, a HD cable signal or a HD-resolution video file)


      What Sony seems to be implying is that while there are lots and lots of different providers that can give you any one of the above, no single provider is currently providing all three. This is true. Sony is also saying that if you aren't using the same brand on all three parts, you aren't using HD. This is false.

      By extension, that would imply that once the PS3 arrives, you won't be doing real HD unless you are playing a Sony game and using a Sony TV-set. So you best forget about playing Resident Evil or buying that Panasonic plasma. Otherwise you won't be doing HD. Says Sony.
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    3. Re:HD Chain by offcell · · Score: 1

      Fuck Pants! (/Ctrl-alt-Del)

    4. Re:HD Chain by jackbird · · Score: 1
      It should also be noted that 720p and 1080i contain roughly the same amount of information.

      Not exactly. The reason 1080i exists is for sports broadcasts, where smooth motion/higher temporal resolution is more desirable than higher spatial resolution at a lower frame rate (1080p).

      While many movies will probably be released in 1080p, they are originally shot at 24 FPS, which means they will actually contain less information thatn a full 720p signal

      720p24 and 1080p24 are HD modes specifically for movies that display at 24 fps (@ 72Hz scan frequency where relevant), avoiding the need for 3-2 pulldown. It's not really a question of how much 'information' is in the image, it has more to do with the 'feel' of the format. An Xbox isn't 'better' than a movie because it delivers a higher fps, just different. In the video world, smooth motion is associated with shooting on video, which is associated with "cheap," (compare the look of any daytime soap opera to that of Desperate Housewives)so 'more information' can actually be a negative.

      I don't know if there are any tv-series shot in higher resolution than 720p, but I'm sure there aren't many.

      Actually, most higher-budget series are shot on film, so if the network wants to go back and re-telecine the footage (or if they were planning ahead for an HD release down the road and scanned at 1080 to begin with), they could get whatever resolution they want.

    5. Re:HD Chain by apoc06 · · Score: 1

      maybe you guys didnt read the same article i read, or maybe EVERYONE is extrapolating based upon their hatred for sony.

      what i got from the article is no where near as sinister. they are saying that the true HD era wont begin until the arrival of the ps3. no big deal; its your common sony boastful commentary. however, in this case, he kinda has a slight point.

      microsoft has been pushing this hd era deal for the x360, but so what? they are claiming to have started something that EVERY console was capable of last generation. so what? why is HD special now? oh... because MS says so. no big deal, im happy MS is pushing the standard. however, in sonys defense... the hd era begins once we start getting content. according to sony the HD era is defined as display, content and equipment. the display has been there since last generation... no big deal. the equipment was there since last generation as well; almost every gamecube title was capable of running in 480p. whats missing is true HD content. content meaning movies in particular. as of now, the ps3 is the only major component that will be on the market and ready to deliver next-gen HD format movies. upconverted dvds arent the same. they have a point in that regard. sony is the only company that can provide all of the pieces to the HD puzzle. the problem is... people are taking that ONE point that they have and blowing it up out of proportions.

      as for their 1080p is "real" HD claim. its BS, anyone with common sense knows to ignore it. however, ask yourself this: in the next say 8-10 years, if you have to buy a new HDTV and you decide to get the best. the best being 1080p. as more tvs enter the market and the price drops, eventually 1080p will become the next standard. wouldnt you be able to appreciate a system that was capable of taking advantage of your console? its futureproofing; as a consumer, i appreciate a company that is thinking about the high end.

      he didnt say that 720p was not HD, nor did he say that 1080i wasnt HD. he said that 1080p was the true definition of HD. lets use our brains here... this article isnt about the ps3 really; its about the next generation of HD movies which to my knowledge will be encoded and playable at 1080p on bluray disks. although you could, you dont buy a 1080p tv to watch 480p dvds on it. you dont buy a 1080p HDTV to play 720p games on it. you buy things that take advantage of the added resolution you paid good money for. if your console cant even output the native resolution of the main format next gen movies will be released in, what use would an add on player be? esp, if its already downgrading your movies? anyone would instead opt to buy a standalone player that doesnt need to downgrade the movies; so you can play them at the native resolution. i guess if you only have a 720p/1080i tv, which is mostly the case out here, so i understand why this may not matter to you much, but think about the future... if youre releasing a product that you want to be around for nearly a decade, you want it to be able to take advantage of as many HD formats as possible. the x360 will not be able to take full advantage of certain HDTVs /already/ on the market; 1080p tvs will eventually become pretty standard and the x360 is just now being released unable to take advantage of them at their native resolution.

      dont get me wrong, i am going to buy a x360 as well... but with hearing about the various problems that it has, i can see microsoft doing a repeat of their xbox shenanigans and phasing out the x360 in a few years if they dont find themselves in first place. how come no one is upset that thanks to MS the current-gen lifecycle basically got cut in half? last to market and first to abandon? if the ps3 has better specs /AND/ lives up to its hype, i can see microsoft abandoning the x360 and trying to push the xbox720 in four years.

    6. Re:HD Chain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      microsoft has been pushing this hd era deal for the x360, but so what? they are claiming to have started something that EVERY console was capable of last generation.

      You're wrong. The Xbox has quite a number of games running in Enhanced Definition (420p), but extremely few running in HD. In fact, out of the 20 or so Xbox games I own, only one is HD - Soul Calibur 2.

      In comparison, let's look at the PS2. Wait, don't bother, because there aren't any HD games, only ED ones.

      And Nintendo? Hah. Gamecube had hardware to allow for progressive scan ED resolutions, but removed it from later revisions of the hardware.

      Maybe it's just me, but when zero out of three of the consoles for a "last" generation don't provide any form of HD content, whether that be 720 or 1080 lines of resolution, I would be adverse to say that every last gen console could do HD.

      <i>how come no one is upset that thanks to MS the current-gen lifecycle basically got cut in half?</i>

      Because MS didn't cut the current gen lifecycle in half. Basically, it was the same as always : between 4-6 years.
      Furthermore, Sony's typical lifecycle was 6 years, and 6/2 != 4

      A short history lesson:

      Nintendo
      NES: 1987
      SNES: 1991; 4 years
      N64: 1996; 5 years
      GC: 2001; 5 years

      Sega
      Genesis: 1989
      Saturn: 1994; 5 years (note, Saturn only lasted for 4 years)
      Dreamcast: 1999; 5 years

      Sony
      PSX: 1994
      PS2: 2000; 6 years
      PS3: 2006; 6 years

      <i>lets use our brains here... this article isnt about the ps3 really; its about the next generation of HD movies which to my knowledge will be encoded and playable at 1080p on bluray disks</i>

      Let's use your brain here: this article is about slamming all competition to Sony in the living room. HD-DVD, slammed for lack of content, and lack of a trojan horse. Xbox360, slammed for lack of 1080p. Sony is trying to convince people like you to wait, to buy into the hype, when they have not delivered on their hype in the past.

      What's ironic, as others have pointed out, is that they inadvertently insulted their own product line, since Sony HDTVs do not show the "true definition of HD".

    7. Re:HD Chain by ad0gg · · Score: 1

      [quote] as for their 1080p is "real" HD claim. its BS, anyone with common sense knows to ignore it. however, ask yourself this: in the next say 8-10 years, if you have to buy a new HDTV and you decide to get the best. the best being 1080p. as more tvs enter the market and the price drops, eventually 1080p will become the next standard. wouldnt you be able to appreciate a system that was capable of taking advantage of your console? its futureproofing; as a consumer, i appreciate a company that is thinking about the high end. [/quote] Too bad content providers can't support 1080p because there isn't enough bandwidth. Hell watch 1080i and you see artificats because 19.2mbit capable transmission channel is not capable supply enough bandwidth.

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    8. Re:HD Chain by apoc06 · · Score: 1

      thats the point. they want to point out that blu-ray is supposed to be the first reliable source of the highest definition HD home entertainment. the corollary is that the ps3 will be the first major form of viewing blu-ray.

    9. Re:HD Chain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're wrong. The Xbox has quite a number of games running in Enhanced Definition (420p)

      EDTV is 480p.

      In comparison, let's look at the PS2. Wait, don't bother, because there aren't any HD games, only ED ones.

      Gran Turismo 4 isn't HD? That's news to me.

      Because MS didn't cut the current gen lifecycle in half. Basically, it was the same as always : between 4-6 years.

      No, it has not except for failed consoles. Unless you're implying that the Xbox was a failed console?

      A short history lesson:

      Nintendo
      NES: 1987
      .
      .
      .


      Your numbers are WAAAY off. For example, NES/Famicom was released in 1983 in Japan and 1985 in North America.

    10. Re:HD Chain by apoc06 · · Score: 1

      here is a list of games that run in 480p and YES 720p and GASP 1080i for xbox.
      http://www.hdtvarcade.com/xboxlist.htm

      my point is that the original xbox was capable of HD output. there wasnt much in the way of content, but it was possible and was done to some extent during the current generation.

      as the other AC pointed out... the ps2 output gran turismo in 720p and 1080i as well. there are several ps2 games that ran in 480p, but considering that 480p doesnt count... ill let that part of the argument rest.

      as for my comment about them cutting the generation in half, sega realized they were in a sinking ship and kickstarted the next generation. microsoft saw that they were in a sinking ship and did the same. your years are off for console releases. where are you getting your numbers? europe? australia? im referring to dates of FIRST production in their home region.

      as i pointed out, the article isnt about the ps3. its about the fact that sony is the only company able to supply homeowners with media that is available in true HD. true HD meaning able to support ALL standard HDTVs entering the market. [excluding the handful of special purpose HDTVs that run at resolutions higher than 1080p and are not being mass-produced.] remember, you can not go to the movie rental store and buy ANY movies from the major studios that will play in 1080p. when you are able to do that, THEN you will see true HD at home.

      and yes, its true that sony hd tvs do not show the "true definition of HD" thats because there isn't any true HD content beyond 1080i to show on them, yet. the guy is like if youve got a 720p/1080i HDTV, youve already got content... and we've got you covered... BUT if you went out and bought the biggest and best right now at 1080p, sony has you covered as well. they have to cover the bases; how would HDTV owners feel if HD media only supported up to 480p? theyd feel like they were cheated and wouldnt buy subpar media. sony has to cover all their bases

  2. Oh, THAT HD. by Errandboy+of+Doom · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought this was a slam on the 360's reduced hard drive space.

    Could we maybe not reuse acronyms?

    1. Re:Oh, THAT HD. by Xerxus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Generally, in console gaming, the Harddrive is shortened to HDD.

    2. Re:Oh, THAT HD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      HDD=hard disk drive
      HD=high definition

    3. Re:Oh, THAT HD. by KDR_11k · · Score: 3, Funny

      HD = High Density, at least when it's printed on 3.5" floppies.

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  3. I can do better... by tktk · · Score: 5, Funny
    I can go beyond HD. All I have to do is look away from any TVs or monitors.

    The resolution of reality is amazing. At least 2x better than HD.

    No good programs to watch or games to play though, just a bunch of tables and chairs.

    1. Re:I can do better... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh here reality is better then that, currently a nice familiar woman stripping down sexily, not what I want right now, but if it was tables and chairs, well I would just cancel...

      Oh look it changed, now the woman is holding a frying pan, and tapping it against her other hand menacingly... See I get GOOD reality. Oh and now she is winding up ffkjdsfkldfgbn zaw3

    2. Re:I can do better... by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "No good programs to watch or games to play though, just a bunch of tables and chairs."

      Sounds like an E3 tech demo. Is there somebody screaming in your ear about how many polygons it can display?

    3. Re:I can do better... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but if you want to see women, you're going to have to put up with game system resolutions. :(

    4. Re:I can do better... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      "The resolution of reality is amazing. At least 2x better than HD."

      And just forget about the infinite frame rate

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    5. Re:I can do better... by dascandy · · Score: 1

      I've stopped playing a simulated race game more than once, then to get in my real car and to be amazed by the light rendering, the very good anti-aliasing, bump mapping and the incredible polygon rate. Also, the accuracy of skidding was completely incredible...

      Sadly, the price of new tires was also incredible.

    6. Re:I can do better... by dolphinling · · Score: 2, Funny

      Haven't you heard of spacetime granularity? The real world only has a framerate of about 18500000000000000000000000000000000000000000Hz. You'll have to buy a newer model universe if you want truly want infinite.

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  4. Sony said so- the "Year of High Definition" by tm2b · · Score: 2, Informative

    Too bad Sony already said so, when Sony President Kunitake Ando announced on stage with Steve Jobs that this would be the "Year of High Definition."

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  5. Sony's value chain by Urkki · · Score: 5, Funny

    "...and Sony is the only organisation that has all three bits of the value chain together."

    Yeah, and the three bits are:
    - protecting user from unlawful access to digital content
    - improving customers' stored digital media (eg MP3 files on PC hard disk)
    - enabling automatic installation of useful software by third parties

  6. Right... by Intocabile · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I expect the Xbox 360 to have more usable memory space for textures because it uses a unified memory architecture (UMA) and not NUMA (non-unified) like PS3. This is a factor that I definately place in the realm of content. 720p vs. 1080p is a retarded argument as well, no developer in their right mind would design a game around 1080p when they can do more 720p while still getting a spectacular picture.

    Blu-ray I'll give them but I don't expect them to be popular for a very long time.

    1. Re:Right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, that was jarring bit of dimwitted dreamcast 360 fanboyisem.

      Need help finding your way back to teamxbox?

    2. Re:Right... by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uh, what? You clearly have no idea what NUMA means.

      NUMA means that memory access times are non-uniform. In other words, longer for some addresses and shorter for others. Unified memory architecure means that all the memory in the system shares a common address space. You can't compare NUMA to UMA because they don't have anything do do with each other. A system can be NUMA and unified at the same time. It can also be non-unified and non-NUMA.

      There is no documented evidence that I can find that the PS3 doesn't have a unified memory address space, dispite the NUMAness of it. In fact it looks like it probably *does* have a unified memory architecture. Also, from what I can tell of the architecture diagrams, it's only NUMA due to the necessity of cache coherancy between the cells (all cells talk to one central memory bank through a switch, cells accessing the same memory need to coordinate before accessing thus slowing down access to shared regions while non-shared regions will have one-step access), and a well written application will not experience the NUMA behavior very often.

      That has to be one of the most arbitrary and stupid ways to distinguish between future gaming platforms. Pick on the quality and quantity of the games, and not on the specs that you don't understand anyway.

    3. Re:Right... by Intocabile · · Score: 1

      The point is that texture access needs to be fast as possible and having to go across multiple busses to access textures isn't going to be speedy at all. So textures are best stored in the memory that is most local to the GPU. Using Cell for feeding transformed geometry to the RSX is another thing entirely. The number of polys you can push is steadily becoming a non-issue though.

    4. Re:Right... by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Informative

      That still doesn't have anything to do with whether the architecture is NUMA or not. Neither of these platforms are going across multiple busses to hit their memory. Don't think of NUMA as a performance hit for some addresses in the cell architecture. Think of it as a performance boost for memory that's only being used by a single cell. All accesses go through a single switch fabric that (depending on the internals that Sony hasn't told the public about) could easily be faster than the bus model that the intel FSB in the 360 uses. Depending on how many transistors they were willing to dedicate to the problem, the switch architecture could theoretically be the superior interconnect in all respects.

      Both of these boxes are powerful machines. The PS3 is a little cooler, but mostly because it's something new and interesting while the 360 is more traditional. At the end of the day, the games are going to look the same for the most part though.

    5. Re:Right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the perspective of a Geek Third Class (i.e., not a major techie) like myself, that was kinda funny. Think about it - "You can't compare Numa to Uma!"

      And I know what NUMA means. "Won't take," right?

    6. Re:Right... by apoc06 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      PC developers have provided multiple resolutions for years. i dont see why this gen of consoles would be any different.

      most likely it will be a developer choice: design a decent framerate game at 1080p and allow users to downgrade to 720p and watch the framerate skyrocket. or they can design for 720p and rely on the console to upconvert to 1080p where it twitches and dies. also, there are very many developers that believe in providing the very best experience for gamers; team ninja would opt for 1080p if they had the choice. i can see the gran turismo team doing the same and the MGS4 team too. there are developers that want to push the envelope, not everyone is an EA that just wants to pump out quantity.

      i can see blu-ray taking off simply because it seems to be in the lead in the next gen HD movie format war. people have these HDTVs and they are looking for more content to use when showing it off. they are going to want movies they can use when showcasing their new home theater.

  7. Huh? by Guppy06 · · Score: 0, Troll

    "the display, the content and the hardware to play back that content ... and PlayStation and Sony is the only organisation that has all three bits of the value chain together."

    So the X360 won't play HD on Sony HDTVs?

    Or is he saying "If you thought the X360 bundles were heinous, wait until you see us bundle a Sony HDTV with the PS3!"

    At any rate, I was under the impression that Microsoft had Thompson (RCA) in their back pocket for a long time now. RCA put out those TVs with the proprietary Xbox hookups and the shape of the Xbox's DVD remote looked suspiciously familiar.

    Meh. They'll both be up against a wall when the Revolution comes!

    1. Re:Huh? by yasth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or is he saying "If you thought the X360 bundles were heinous, wait until you see us bundle a Sony HDTV with the PS3!"

      Hey at least it makes sense, and would be useful. The real problem will be the bundled Stealh BluD and any other real bombs Sony can fit in. I mean there is precedent for them bundling movies, they did it with the PSP. And what a way to pull out ahead in the disc wars, at least in terms of discs "sold". Who cares if they all end up being dumped in haz mat bins.

      Really if they knew what was good for them, they would just not bundle and charge more, lots more... people will pay $1000 for a console, ebay has shown us that. And there is no real reason to let the speculators make that money. Charge more, then lower the price when you actually have units sitting on the shelves for more then a day.

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  8. not happening by Rs_Conqueror · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It looks like my "true" HD era is never happening. Because after the DRM scandel and the PSP Spray paint vandelism, I'll be dammed if sony gets one more penny out of me.

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  9. This just in, company says their product is better by Headcase88 · · Score: 1

    So Sony says true HD won't be out until the Sony PS3 eh?

    And I'm pretty sure any company x will say hot buzzword y won't truly be available until x's product z which features y comes out.

    Let me try. S-CORE* technology won't reach its peak until the Headcase, um, SilverStar is released. Yeah.

    *I made that term up. Please shoot me if it actually exists.

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  10. ummm? by Klinky · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just because Sony makes an array of HD products doesn't mean they're work better than mixing/matching. Just like how having an HP printer hooked up to an HP computer, doesn't suddenly make your prints look better than if you had it hooked up to a Dell.

  11. Of course it exists ;) by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 1

    Interestingly enough, it's for surfing:
    Goat.cx
    The page stinks to high heaven but there's the reference. And HeadCase wasn't a bad choice either, considering we're dealing w/surfers.

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  12. Sony HD When? by smaffei · · Score: 1

    Now. Ooops, wait a sec... How about now? Has it happened yet Sony? Tell me, is it now?

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  13. Unified shading by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    You're thinking of unified shading.

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q= unified+shading+rendering+xbox

    http://features.teamxbox.com/xbox/1145/The-Xbox-36 0-Dissected/p3/

    1. Re:Unified shading by Intocabile · · Score: 1

      Unified shading is completely different beast, although a boon for the Xbox 360 over the PS3. It doesn't really factor much into the subject of the HD era asides from the fact it should be much more efficient then current PC GPU architectures including the PS3's.

  14. Is there where I tell Sony to bite me? by Kris_J · · Score: 1
    I have one of these on order. Might even arrive today. Now, I don't give a toss about "High Definition", but that specs page seems to make reference to HD a few times and with network connectivity appears to be able to play HD stuff without having to worry about a specific HD disc format. Seems to have all the interfaces too. Don't know if it has this stupid DRM crap that seems to have infected the HD standards, but then I just have an old 68cm TV with a nice S-Video input that looks pretty good from a few meters back.

    Is HD still only 25/30 Frames per second? 'Cause motion blur is a much bigger issue for me than picture resolution.

  15. Where have I seen this before? by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sony is using classic vapour to promote a product that has "PlayStation" and a number in its name. Where have I seen this before?

  16. So This means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That the PS3 is propietary like many other sony products. That you will only get the best possible picture if you are using only Sony products.

  17. let me be the first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to scream: MONOPOLY!!!!

  18. Yeah, right. by RyoShin · · Score: 1

    I'll get into HD when the following requirements are met:

    1) They become much cheaper
    2) 60% of TV is HD-ready WITHOUT having to buy an "HD Channel Package"
    3) Most of the movies/shows I want come out in an HD format (preferrably not Blu-Ray)
    4) They announce the successor to HD

  19. HARRISON! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What an indescribable load of BULLSHIT from this pathetic $ony hyperbole droid. 360 doesn't have true HD functionality? You don't have true human emotions Harrison! And that's because you're a fucking MACHINE! A $ony owned bullshit spewin', tale spinnin', ball suckin' MACHINE that follows it's worthless programming and nothing more. If you were capable of human emotion, you would bow down and WEEP at the very sight of the majestic 360, the most glorious console ever created by human hands, which can reduce even the most hardened of men to a weeping quivering wreck with the mere JOY of standing in it's presence!

    Does he tell us when his B$3 console is released? Does he HELL! And that is because the B$3 doesn't actually exist! Ken Kuturagi dreamed it up in one of his psychotic episodes which he had because $ony can no longer afford to pay for the little prick's brain medicine. He dreamed it, told everyone about it, and then the robococks like Harrison there photoshopped some George Foreman grills and said "OMG LOOK AT TEH B$3 AND MARVEL!!!!!!!". And the pathetic $ony fanboys did just that, flying into a masturbatory frenzy of anticipation for something that doesn't actually exist. I'd hate to be there when the masturbation stops. There'll be some real tears. Sniff...

    But it isn't too late for you, $ony cockjobs! You can still join the winning team before it's too late and Krazy Ken drags you all into hell with him! Get the 360! The console that will emerge as the NUMBER ONE selling Next Gen console of 2005!

  20. Think Sony, Eat Sony, Sleep Sony by Xabora · · Score: 1

    So... belive everything that sony says or decide yourself. ;)

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  21. Which law are Sony breaking today? by iainl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wait a sec, can we just get this clear?

    Is Sony DELIBERATELY MIS-SELLING consumers TVs which claim to be HD Ready but can't display a 1080p picture?

    Or is Sony DELIBERATELY LYING to consumers when they claim that an output at 720p or 1080i is not HD?

    Because I'd quite like to know whether they are breaking consumer law, or merely slandering Microsoft.

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  22. Value chain by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Funny

    I always believe something when it has the words "value chain" in it.
    Now if only all this Sony crap could be "synergetic" in some way, I'd buy it.

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  23. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A spokesperson from Sony said, "You may think you've read Hamlet before, but you can't really appreciate it until you've read it in the original Klingon."

  24. Depends on your point of view by warcin · · Score: 1

    While the games on the X-Box 360 are HD I think one of Sony's points is that the 360 does not have either format of HD DVD drive in it. The drive is just a standard DVD drive. And since Microsoft always touts the X-Box as a multi-media platform not just a game counsle I believe that the arguement that it is not a true HD machine is valid. The Playstation 3 will be the only one of the next generation console to include a High Def DVD drive in it (at least at launch).