Slashdot Mirror


Chimpanzees Beat out Children in Reasoning Test

caffeinemessiah writes "The New York Times has a story on how chimpanzees seem to exhibit a better understanding of cause and effect than human children. While training chimps to perform a routine task with redundant steps, the chimps were able to figure out and eliminate the redundant steps, while the human children routinely performed them despite their evident uselessness. It says something about the way we learn compared to chimps and should be interesting to cognitive scientists and those interested in computational learning theory, at the least."

34 of 663 comments (clear)

  1. but children will become adults by rebug · · Score: 5, Funny

    Chimps will always be chimps.

    Lucky bastards.

    --

    there's more than one way to do me.
    1. Re:but children will become adults by SenatorOrrinHatch · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does anyone doubt that, when genetic engineering reaches the point where we can graft human vocal chords to chimps and dolphins, some of them will be plainly more intelligent than many humans?

      I am certain it will happen, I just hope its in the next 20 yeas.

      --
      The Christian in me says it's wrong, but the corrections officer in me says, 'I love to make a grown man piss himself.'
    2. Re:but children will become adults by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 5, Funny
      As bad as human violence is, at least I'm fairly certain none of my competitors will ever cut open my sack and squeeze my nuts out.

      Then why post as an AC?

    3. Re:but children will become adults by DissidentHere · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well......they could become president.

      We do have precedent now.

      --
      "None of us are as dumb as all of us." - meeting mantra
    4. Re:but children will become adults by mrogers · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe the dolphins will be intelligent enough to convince the creationists that they're full of shit.

    5. Re:but children will become adults by CreatureComfort · · Score: 1, Funny


      Yeah, but the sharks are gonna have frikkin laser beams.

      --
      "Unheard of means only it's undreamed of yet,
      Impossible means not yet done." ~~ Julia Ecklar
  2. slashdot is proof by incubusnb · · Score: 4, Funny
    a Chimpanzee would have stopped visiting slashdot a long time ago, its a redundant step.

    oh, and First Post(though i've probably failed it, i have Karma to burn so do whatever to me)

    --
    /. is overrun by bed-wetting elitist nerds
    let it be known, for anything other than servers, a *nix OS sucks
  3. Re:Experiment Proposal by CyricZ · · Score: 5, Funny

    The chimp would probably eat the child, just so it doesn't get stuck doing pointless experiments.

    --
    Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
  4. So let me get this straight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fully developed chimps beat underdeveloped humans at reasoning?

    I'm shocked. Shocked!

    1. Re:So let me get this straight. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm shocked. Shocked!

      Fool! The banana is with the BLUE button! Not the RED one!

  5. Re:Clarification by CyricZ · · Score: 1, Funny

    Maybe the children were from Kansas. The rules of science are null and void in Kansas.

    --
    Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
  6. Re:A little bit biased, isn't it? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    True. A more useful interspecies study would have compared human children and politicians, since politicians seem to have no grasp on cause-and-effect regardless of age.

    --
    The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  7. Re:Experiment Proposal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    I'd like to see another experiment done. Suppose, hypothetically, that a chimp showed a human child how to solve a puzzle, inserting unnecessary steps.

    Isn't this already being tested in the Kansas public schools?

    /ducks

  8. I have two children by Luveno · · Score: 5, Funny

    I believe this study.

  9. Excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I hear that they are also superior at flinging shit

    brothel - what?

    the fucking captcha word was "brothel"!

  10. Forget child labor... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ... chimp labor is where it's at!

    Efficient, and they work for peanuts, bannanas, apples, etc...

  11. That's what happens when... by syousef · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...you teach creationism as science. You get a bunch of kids that think someone saying "let there be light" created the universe in 6 day. Cause and effect. Then you wonder why they can't tell that dropping the hammer on their foot doesn't make it rain marshmellows.

    --
    These posts express my own personal views, not those of my employer
  12. I was more excited about this when... by radiotyler · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...I read the article title as "Chimpanzees Beat Children in Reasoning Test".

    I didn't know what sort of a reasoning test involved children and simians to engage in fisticuffs, but I was all for it.

    --
    hi mom!
  13. Re:Not sure if this is true or myth by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 2, Funny
    That the saying a trained chimp could do this job as reffering to a boring assembly line job is in fact not true. While a monkey/ape could be trained to do simple assembly work it could not do it for the 8 hour shifts that humans can without going insane.


    Thats because the human already is insane. All humans are insane, but since we control the dictionary, we get to call ourselves sane.
    --
    Demented But Determined.
  14. Re:Human survival trait by Barny · · Score: 3, Funny
    I could probably eliminate some steps between boot, crash, and reboot too...


    What? like running windows, if it is really working as intended, it should crash on boot, saveing all that valuable work time you could have spent so you can look at buying a new PC :)
    --
    ...
    /me sighs
  15. Re:Chimps writing PHP code. by millennial · · Score: 5, Funny


    $ook = new Banana.GiveMeBanana();
    my $stomach = _FULL_;
    my $sound = loudContentedScreech();

    throwFeces(); // OOK OOK OOK AAH AAH AAH! OOK!

    ?>

    --
    I am scientifically inaccurate.
  16. Re:Chimps writing PHP code. by merreborn · · Score: 4, Funny
    It's one thing to bring post your PHP trolls on EVERY PHP thread, but do you really have to bring them to the non-PHP threads too?

    Seriously man, did Rasmus Lerdorf systematically kill off every one of your remaining family members, or something?

    Seriously man. These are all CyricZ PHP trolls from THIS MONTH. I skipped a good 10 that were all on the "PHP5 Recipes" thread, for sanity's sake.

  17. Re:Chimps writing PHP code. by ColaMan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, if you're on a vendetta there's no point doing it half-assed I guess.

    --

    You are in a twisty maze of processor lines, all alike.
    There is a lot of hype here.
  18. Well? by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny
    This reminds me of the study a few years back when the attempted to discover why hot pizza burns the roof of your mouth.

    Don't leave us hangin, man; did they learn why?

  19. Re:A little bit biased, isn't it? by zaphle · · Score: 5, Funny

    El Wife and I got a puppy recently (at about 6 weeks old) and I started training her from day one.

    I agree, you should always train your wife from day one.

    --
    And what if there's nothing behind the door until it is being opened?
  20. Re:Language by masklinn · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, it's probably that they don't even consider us worth communicating with.

    --
    "The way we can tell it's C# instead of Haskell is because it's nine lines instead of two." -- wadler
  21. On the Continuing Evolution of Language by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 5, Funny
    I don't recall ever creating a new word.
    Any person who has not created at least one new word in his/her lifetime lacks plachoritence, IMO.
    I know that that sounds entroniant, perhaps even bleavisome, but it had to be said.
    --
    Those who sacrifice security to condemn liberty deserve to repeat history or something. - Benjamin Santayana
    1. Re:On the Continuing Evolution of Language by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, and on a slightly more serious note, how do you know that chimps haven't created new words?
      Perhaps they have, and humans just haven't recognized them.
      It's entirely possible that they have words for chimp concepts.
      For example, they probably have a simple verb that means "to fling my excrement at".
      So rather than saying/signing "I flung my excrement at the keeper this morning.", a chimp might say/sign, "I feced the keeper this morning.", where "feced" is a verb meaning "flung my excrement at".
      I think that more research should be done into this area, possibly by seeing what sorts of signs/sounds/facial expressions/etc. chimps make to each other shortly after they fling their excrement at people or do other chimp things.

      --
      Those who sacrifice security to condemn liberty deserve to repeat history or something. - Benjamin Santayana
    2. Re:On the Continuing Evolution of Language by infinite9 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Any person who has not created at least one new word in his/her lifetime lacks plachoritence, IMO.
      I know that that sounds entroniant, perhaps even bleavisome, but it had to be said.


      I'm imbiggened by your cromulent words.

      --
      Disconnect your television. Do your own research. Draw your own conclusions. They're probably lying. Don't be a sheep.
    3. Re:On the Continuing Evolution of Language by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 2, Funny

      While I, for one, welcome our new complimenting overlords, I always thought that it was spelled "embiggen".
      (For a short time, my sig line was "Embiggen cromulency!".)

      --
      Those who sacrifice security to condemn liberty deserve to repeat history or something. - Benjamin Santayana
  22. Re:A little bit biased, isn't it? by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 5, Funny

    El Wife and I got a puppy recently

    Did you....ahh..check under the hood before you married ...her?

    --

    Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. -- Carl Sagan

  23. A child eh? How Old? by Spock+the+Baptist · · Score: 2, Funny

    Experiments prove that Gophers are more intelligent than human fetuses...

    And the point of the headline?

    --
    "Oh drat these computers, they're so naughty and so complex, I could pinch them." --Marvin the Martian
  24. So long and thanks for all the fish by gevil · · Score: 2, Funny

    We all know mouse and dolphings are smarter than us, but now chimps? were will this all end? Humans think they are smarter than dolphins for they have things like money, and digital watches. Dolphins think they are smarter for the exact same reasons.

  25. Re:Language by JThundley · · Score: 2, Funny

    (and if you claim that isn't reason of intelligence, then I've got some deaf and mute people for you to meet).

    You've got deaf and mute people? Where do you keep them?