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Steam Hybrid Car from BMW
RMX writes "BMW is unveiling its turbosteamer hybrid engine, which uses the excess heat in the exhaust system and reclaims 80% of it by powering a steam engine that assists the gas engine. Overall, this gives a 15% more efficient engine; and significant additional performance (power and torque) with practically no downside. "This project resolves the apparent contradiction between consumption and emission reductions on one hand, and performance and agility on the other," commented Professor Burkhard Göschel. Are steam engines the future of environmental-friendly hybrid vehicles?"
...with practically no downside.
Additional moving parts, and servicability? How many modern garages know how to service a steam engine?
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Although the idea seems nice on the surface, how much more energy goes into refining the metal for the additional engine? How much weight is added? How much cost is added? Although many of these schemes seem beneficial, when evaluated over the lifespan of the product it may be a net zero or net loss from the existing technology. If people would stop buying new cars every two years, we would be better off than everyone buying the newest, latest greatest enviro-trendmobile constantly.
BMW has the ability to make Hydrogen-powered production cars, it is a shame that they have not caught on yet.
Current fuels will eventually go the way of the steam engine, or wait, maybe not the steam.
Interesting site: http://www.bmwworld.com/hydrogen/
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Quote from the company's press release about BMW's philosophy towards efficiency:
"A reduction in consumption amounting to a few percentage points over the entire model range exerts higher overall effects on the general population than high percentage points for a niche model."
Now the company just has to make BMWs available to the "general population"!
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I wonder if they will offer a steam whistle as an option to replace the car's horn.
It certainly would get the attention of the person in front of you preening themselves in their rearview mirror!
If "disco" means "I learn" in Latin, does "discothèque" mean "I learn technology"?
How many modern garages know how to service a steam engine?
I would think that BMW dealerships would be able to service BMW autos, no? Yes, I understand the rush to FP, but do you think maybe they'll have this covered by the time they go into production?
I am glad to see some innovation to the standard IC engine.
But I guess it's just easier to sit in your armchair and criticize real engineering...
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
The trouble is when people buy new cars that are NOT environmentally friendly, those cars also continue to guzzle for as long as they're on the road. If the average vehicle coming off the assembly line were more efficient, then we'd be pushing out the older crap with newer, better stuff. But the average fuel economy of ALL manufactured vehicles has actually DROPPED since the 1990s: from Automobile and Light Truck Fuel Economy
...for a Mr. Fusion Home Energy Reactor add-on for my Delor..er...Nissan.
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... a network of metal tracks to operate them on.
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The pictures accompanying the article suggest the system interfaces with the relatively large radiator already in the front of the car. It is not going to produce nearly as much steam as an engine that would power the entire car, and this steam engine doesn't need a heat source either.
I'm a bit skeptical that really make this practical, but it's an impressive idea; a combined cycle automobile-sized piston engine.
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--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
"The only thing hydrogen is good for is to reduce emissions from the vehicles themselves, but you only end up pushing the pollution to power generating stations, which we'll need a lot more of if the 'hydrogen economy' takes off."
And which are signifcantly more efficient than masses of cars spewing less refined emissions, especially nuclear plants.
Essentially your post says "punish auto owners, and reward mass transit users" while completely ignoring the fact that mass transit is impractical in many places and always will be.
How pathetic are you that you follow me from topic to topic and waste all your mod points at once modding me down?
" I think you are confusing fuel and engine form. Diesel is just a fuel, it doesn't dictate the engine type."
Oh yes it does! Just try putting diesel fuel into your Otto Cycle automobile!
The Diesel Cycle is inherently different from the Otto Cycle in that there are no sparkplugs. As opposed to an external ignition source, diesel engines use nothing but the compression in the cylinder to ignite the air-fuel mixture. Overgenerallizing a little, diesel engines operate entirely on what you would call "knock."
I could go on about temperature vs. entropy comparisons between the Diesel and Otto cycles, but your eyes would glaze over.
For the same compression ratio, the Otto Cycle is more efficient than the Diesel Cycle. However, when engineering comes into play, you can have much, much greater compression ratios with a Diesel engine than an Otto engine. The source of ignition in a Diesel Engine is the pressure in the cylinder, and the pressure is uniform throughout the chamber, ensuring uniform combustion and uniform expansion of the cylinder. You can get away with building cylinders, say, 1 m in diameter. With the Otto Cycle, because you need an ignition source (sparkplugs), combustion in the chamber will be non-uniform and there will be more energy lost because of it, so F-1 and GPX cars use many, many cylinders that are very long but very slender. Only a fool would use an Otto Cycle engine to power a locomotive, let alone a ship.
"So... there's no reason you couldn't make a highly efficient diesel external combustion (probably steam) engine."
No. Diesel means internal combustion. If you want external combustion, you build a steam turbine (far fewer moving parts), and they don't care what you burn. There's no reason to burn something as expensive as refined diesel fuel. Modern steamships burn whatever it is the refineries can't sell to anybody else.
You could try a gas turbine, but, again, diesel fuel isn't designed for that; it will ignite when you don't want it to, and not ignite when you need it to. Go with kerosene.
"So... there's no reason you couldn't make a highly efficient diesel external combustion (probably steam) engine."
Not a mechanical engineer, are we?
"If the water runs out,"
Then you take it back to the dealer. The water isn't supposed to come out, you put your superheated steam through the preheater, getting it back down to saturation before you put it back into the boiler again. You should no less run out of water than you would run out of motor oil or transmission fluid (with similar Very Bad Things happening to your engine if you do).
> The only thing hydrogen is good for is to reduce emissions from the
> vehicles themselves, but you only end up pushing the pollution to
> power generating stations, which we'll need a lot more of if the
> 'hydrogen economy' takes off.
Except that you're missing a critical piece here: since hydrogen extraction facilities are very large and stationary (something most cars are not), they can use fuels that would simply not be an option for the cars themselves, such as wind, solar, wave or nuclear power. And even if you do keep producing hydrogen by burning fossil fuels, because of the size and relatively low number of production facilities you have the economic luxury of investing in technologies that burn fossil fuels more efficiently and transform waste into more benign forms than would be feasible in the cars themselves.
You can't take heat from the catalytic converter because that heat is required to catalyze the gasses. That's why emissions suck for the first 5 or so minutes that you run your car - the catalyst is cold and not doing its job. That's also why urban areas use MTBE and other oxygenates in fuel in the winter time - so that the mal effects of the cold catalyst are mitigted.
Curtis-Wright did something similar with the turbo-compound engines, where exhaust turbines were coupled to the crankshaft - got about 20% more power for a given fuel consumption - and allowed the DC-7C and L-1649's to go from New York to London/Paris nonstop.