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Blog Services Outgrow Their Data Centers

miller60 writes "The growth of the blogosphere is straining the infrastructure at popular service providers. TypePad is having serious problems again today, the latest in a series of outages and malfunctions as it switches to a larger facility. Bloglines is also apologizing for performance problems, and says it too will move to a larger data center to accommodate growth. There's been no sign of a mass migration from either service. Are bloggers and blog readers willing to accept rocky performance from popular services?"

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  1. Problems accessing... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Funny

    Damn! I can't access my blog! I have to blog about this... uh... damn.

    1. Re:Problems accessing... by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
      > Damn! I can't access my blog! I have to blog about this... uh... damn.

      4:16PM up 4 days, 6:24, 2740 users, load averages: 8.44, 7.42, 3.38

      Mood: Slashdotted.

    2. Re:Problems accessing... by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lucky for me, I can post on CmdrTaco's Blog and laugh at your misfortune.

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    3. Re:Problems accessing... by afidel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Damn, this kind of deserves an insightful mod. If you had been around since the beginning you would realize that slashdot kind of started out with Rob posting one of the origional blogs =)

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  2. Aboslutely Not by Drakonian · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Are bloggers and blog readers willing to accept rocky performance from popular services?

    Absolutely not. They will all stop blogging en masse and the blogosphere will cease to exist. What a brilliant question.

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    1. Re:Aboslutely Not by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2
      While I know you meant your post tongue in cheek...what will most likely happen is that the services that CAN provide good performance that does away with these problems will most likely see a large influx of transfers from bloggers...now if only there was an easy way to transfer your blog between services...

      Actually, thats a pretty good question...DOES anybody know of a good way to transfer your blog between services? Especially if you want to retain your previous posts and comments?

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  3. Rocky Performance, here I come! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Are bloggers and blog readers willing to accept rocky performance from popular services?"

    Yes.

    Please reference: the Microsoft product line

    1. Re:Rocky Performance, here I come! by kesuki · · Score: 2, Funny

      Please reference: the Microsoft product line

      I think you meant Reference: Slashdot.org error 503 service not available

      more relevant to the current discussion ;)

  4. What are the other choices? by Hulkster · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The submitter asks "Are bloggers and blog readers willing to accept rocky performance from popular services?" so I would answer that with what are the other choices available for the common public?

    Yea, there is Google Blogspot ... but even the big "G" has had performance issues in the past. An option for /. readers is to host a blog on your own site ... but that's not realistic for the average Joe. This stuff is all free, so I think most people are willing to grin and bear and suffer through some outages. Plus I don't think the world is going to end if we are unable to blog for a short while ... ;-)

    P.S. Per my /. username, I did get a chuckle out of this quote from Bloglines - "Bloglines has been busting at the seams like the Incredible Hulk" and yea, getting angry and transforming into a Big Green Monster can really wreck your clothing budget.

    1. Re:What are the other choices? by timeOday · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do people have a way to migrate their blogs to a new site, even if they wanted to? Do they even provide a way for bloggers to back up their literary masterpieces on their own media?

    2. Re:What are the other choices? by lachlan76 · · Score: 2, Informative

      IIRC, they allow you to send it to an FTP server so that you can host it yourself.

  5. submitter, you suck by PavementPizza · · Score: 5, Informative

    Your summary implies that the latest Typepad outage has something to do with their datacenter move of October. It does not. They had a hard drive problem that they noticed during routine maintenance.

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    1. Re:submitter, you suck by multipartmixed · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know, I've noticed that hard drives fail quite often, and take a lot of data with them.

      Somebody really should invent some method of making a single disk failure a non-issue; perhaps, by using a redundant array of independant drives...

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    2. Re:submitter, you suck by nsasch · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sounds like a good idea, but the name? RAID (according to your initials) would never catch on, it's like the bug spray.
      Maybe there should be different types, or versions optimized for speed, reliability, redundancy, hot swapping, etc.

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    3. Re:submitter, you suck by aiken_d · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Funny thing is, a single drive can take a RAID down. The data is still there on the other drives, but a misbehaving/fried drive can trash the SCSI bus and bring down the entire thing.

      The answer, of course, is a seperate controller per drive, with logic on the host to close down a controller that's gone berzerk because of bad input from the drive (electrical or logical). But that's not the way the fast majority of RAID systems work, and therefore, it's not all that uncommon to crash a server when a single drive fails. Heck, I've had hot spares fail and crash an array (crash = lock up, not lose data). The humorous irony is usually not really appreciated until days later.

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    4. Re:submitter, you suck by multipartmixed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Funny thing is, a single drive can take a RAID down.

      Which is why when *I* do RAID for production systems, I run RAID 1+0, with one stripe per enclosure, one enclosure per host bus adapter, and separate hot spare pools for each stripe (co-located within the same enclosure). If I'm running something like Sun A5x00 arrays, I sometimes go even further and use two HBAs per loop and split the array down the middle (which eliminates most single points of failure within the array -- "split loop mode"). The extra cost of the HBA is more than worth the piece of mind (those boxes can hold 22 disks); the mild performance boost is icing on the cake.

      BTW, your comments about one disc taking out the bus also applies to FC_AL... even though it shouldn't. I took have had hot spare "accidents", but have yet not lost any data, nor had a serious outage. Knock on wood. I have even done live drive-replacement on multi-hosted SCSI-II, *non-hotswap* without downtime -- but I had good backups and it still gave me an ulcer (break the mirror, power down the enclosure, cold-swap, power-up, restripe).

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  6. Expression by Da3vid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It just seems that more and more people are finding a new way to express themselves. This started off just as a trend but has grown like wildfire. This has replaced the use of the diary, and for many people, it also replaces idle chit-chat of catching up on, "So what did you do today?" This leaves a lot of conversation on more focused conversation. As well, it also lets people keep in touch with each other easier than before. I mean, is anyone surprised that these things continue to grow with popularity? It doesn't seem like an unnatural progression to me.

    Are we really surprised? How many people use the Internet on atleast a quasi-regular basis? I'm willing to bet that currently a large percentage either writes or reads a blog (likely both), and that those numbers are going to continue to increase.

    -Da3vid-

  7. Oh no teh 870905p43r3 i5 b0rk3d! by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 4, Funny

    In other news, world continues to turn, sky still up there. Film at 11.

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  8. As longtime readers of Slashdot know... by shawnmchorse · · Score: 5, Funny

    Our willingness to accept rocky performance from popular services is the only reason we're still reading Slashdot today...:-)

  9. Hmm... by deathbyzen · · Score: 2, Funny
    I think the blogging community, in general, is more tech savy than the average citizen. Hence, they understand that the difficulties are only temporary and, in the end, will be beneficial for the community.

    I'm sure xXxDragonTearsQTxXx, however, is quite pissed.

    1. Re:Hmm... by xXxDragonTearsQTxXx · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bite me.

  10. who cares about the bloggers? by Stevyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's the advertisers who should be angry. They're the ones paying for these services. They rely on the readers to view the web pages and buy their products.

  11. Will Bloggers Accept This? by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of course not. They'll give money to the guy who can host their blog with better performance and reliability, perhaps by soliciting donations from readers (like every webpage does). A few new businesses could even open and employ people just to host blogs, at least until the fad dies down. Everybody who invests with intelligence wins.

  12. Yes they will by kramthegram · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Because you're looking at it all wrong, it's not just a service, it's a community. For the Same reasons people won't just let New Orleans go they won't leave these communities at the first sign of trouble. Sociology is a science that needs to be applied to the web more and more...

    1. Re:Yes they will by Kelson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly. When LiveJournal has technical problems for a few days, people don't leave LiveJournal en masse -- they wait it out. Because the whole point of being on LiveJournal is the community. Their friends, readers, etc. are all on the same service, and moving to a new one is going to involve dragging them along. On the other hand, if you and a bunch of friends do decide to leave, you'll probably end up migrating together.

      Ever tried using a LiveJournal account to comment on a Myspace blog? Not gonna work. (Ironically, the people behind LiveJournal are the ones who set up OpenID, which may make this possible some day.)

      This is, of course, a generalization. You can find blogs on LiveJournal, TypePad, Blogger, etc. that are aimed at a general audience and have simply chosen a hosting provider. But in most cases, you'll find that the active readers -- the ones who hold conversations in the comment threads -- are all on the same blogging service.

    2. Re:Yes they will by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While it may be a community, I think the main thing that prevents most bloggers/journalists from leaving is the fact that they already have a lot invested in their current site.

      I don't know if this has been done already or not, but I imagine that one of the big providers could steal a lot of dissatisfied users from the competition if they made a stupid simple transitioning tool.

      E.G. Type in your username and password, select your old blog/journal and hit enter. Ideally, it'd backdate old entries so it looks like you've been at the new site all along.

      I know that a large part of it is the community, but I don't imagine it would be hard for groups of friends to defect.

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  13. Singularity? by qualico · · Score: 2, Interesting
  14. Heh by geekdom04 · · Score: 2

    Stories like these make me happy that I am the one person who doesn't have a blog.

    1. Re:Heh by Propaganda13 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That makes two of us. I'll have to make an entry in my personal wiki about this.

  15. Good for them! by redelm · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The only reason they're outgrowing their servers and links is that more and more people are finding them popular. Whether I agree or not with their viewpoint, I'm always happy to see people finding what makes them happy. Even moreso, because the growth is likely to be from moderates -- the real fringies were already there.

  16. All things may be equal. by daviddennis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I remember that when ISPs first started, they were all flaky, but we loved what we could do on the net. We tolerated outages because we knew that all ISPs had roughly the same failure rate and so switching wouldn't improve much.

    The current situation with blogs looks about the same.

    Blog services are sticky when they form a community of sorts. If you like the people you know through those services, you stick around. And if your web address is based on their site (i.e. xxx.blogspot.com), well, moving will cause you to lose all your readers, too.

    So I would say the answer is yes, that people will stick to the services they enjoy, because they know that if they move, they'll get about the same level of service.

    D

  17. Just get hosting by drakethegreat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously just spend the 3-5 bucks a month and get some basic hosting. Its worth the cost cause you don't even have to know how to build a site. You can just install the solutions given to you by the host or one you download. I think more people should consider this because I'm less interested in blogs from websites like blogger.com because it requires just blabbing once a day and nothing else so I tend to think the quality is slightly lower. This may just be in my head but I think this is a really good reason for people consider homebrew blogs.

    1. Re:Just get hosting by rfunches · · Score: 2, Informative

      One problem with hosting is that some companies, especially those in the budget range, frown upon CPU-intensive processes. Movable Type, Six Apart's blog publishing system for servers, was known to be CPU-intensive until recently, and several hosts banned MT (along with message boards like YaBB). While there might be roughly equivalent uptime, you might be limited in your options -- the hosting company might only provide a crappy version of blog software, or disallow them entirely.

  18. Re:Oh please God. by dada21 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I will say that at least we slashdotters don't think we're "journalists."

    Yet the word journalist is more apropos for a blogger than a media careerist. Going back to the dawn of the printing press, you see much more emotion and variety until fairly recent times.

    The media now seems locked in with one another. It is all Reuters and UPI regurgitation.

    Bloggers that focus on consistency float to the top. My favorite 5 bloggers offer 80% of the news I read -- some of them are ex-media writers. I also read some blogs just to get a sens of alternate opinions.

    My 5 blogs (2 public, 3 private) replace my e-mail newsletter (2 years running) that replaced my print newsletter (3 years before the e-news). My readership is down 95% as I attempt to transition, but I'm getting a much better view on who is reading and who isn't.

    I'm committed to writing 7 days a week. I already spend 2-3 hours reading links mailed to me, why not set those links up for others with similar ideas? Is my attached opinion wanted by the readers? Only time will tell.

  19. Cruel by gibbo2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bloglines is apologising for performance problems, and you're going to Slashdot them on top of that? Guess that shows what people think of bloggers around here :)

  20. Money Money Money by Rac3r5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My big question is where on earth do these ppl get the money to run these services??

    Sure they have ads and stuff.. but do ppl really click those ads? Very rarely do I ever click ads.

  21. Of Course We Stay by JenovaSynthesis · · Score: 2, Informative

    If the outage was every other day or something, I could see a mass migration but when you've built up a blog/livejournal/etc. you cannot just pack it up and move it most of the time so you just stay an deal. Plus there is the social networking factor involved as well.

    Plus it is not like users are getting shafted. LiveJournal has had problems come up once in a while and they compensate thier users for it with things like an extra month of service free and stuff like that.

    Outages happen and it are a fact of life on the Internet.

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  22. Re:Yes. by game+kid · · Score: 2, Funny

    I always thought bloggers were pre-programmed robots that spilled out random text. This source code proves it, I tell ya! ;)

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  23. If self hosting, what to use? by ChicoLance · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I see several comments here about paying the $5/month and hosting the site yourself. Makes since to me, and I've been doing that for quite a while now. I've recently starting using blogging software from blogger.com for my personal site instead of writing my pages from scratch because it makes it really easy to put up new pictures of the kids. However, I'm not sure how I feel about committing to a particular site like Blogger, even if I do host the site myself, as the blogging community shifts and twists as it grows.

    What software is out there that's easy to set up that's more of a homegrown solution? I know of Moveable Type, but is there something else that the Slashdot crowd uses?

    BTW: Am I the only one who thinks the term "blog" grates on his nerves much like "information superhighway" does?

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  24. Re:Kind of a stretch... by multipartmixed · · Score: 2, Funny

    > ...to call blog content "data".

    They still call all that stuff between the genes "DNA"

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  25. Blogosphere...more like Borosphere! by cheesy9999 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can handle certain word inventions like blog, blogger, AJAX, even Web 2.0 ... but for god's sake ... BLOGOSPHERE?

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  26. Self Hosting by Noodlenose · · Score: 2, Informative
    Er, why use the so called "professional blog services" at all, when you can host your own blog for a couple dollars?

    My setup:

    Setting up taught me things I didn't know about MySQL, Apache and Ubuntu and I don't have to rely on a third party provider.

    Profit???

    1. Re:Self Hosting by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most people are happy to put up with ads in exchange for not having to setup a server and DynDNS, power, etc. You get the geek accolades, but the average blogger is not a geek, it's someone who posts soupy drek.

  27. Re:What's the "Btogosphere"? by Headcase88 · · Score: 2, Funny

    No... just makes it more 1337.

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