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Wikipedia Founder Edits Own Bio

Carnildo writes "Wired News reports that Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales has edited his own entry in the online encyclopedia at least 18 times, in violation of Wikipedia's policy on autobiography. Edits included removing phrases describing Larry Sanger as a co-founder of Wikipedia, and changing phrasing describing Bomis.com, another of Wales' sites, as a pornography site."

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  1. Why is this news? by Kelson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I thought it was extremely silly that this showed up on Wired. Now it's doubly silly that it's shown up on Slashdot.

    I mean, seriously, the last time there was a controversy over someone's Wikipedia bio, the suggestion was that he should've fixed the errors himself, right?

    As for violating policy -- that "policy" itself says "This page is considered a guideline on Wikipedia. It illustrates standards of conduct, which many editors agree with in principle. However, it is not policy." In RFC terms, that's a SHOULD NOT, rather than a MUST NOT. (And that's not a new, self-justifying edit, either.) Yeah, it's a little tacky, but as long as he's making corrections and not inserting falsehoods, it's a matter for a gossip column, not tech news.

    1. Re:Why is this news? by Kelson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Does even its own founder really believe in it, when it comes to information he personally cares about?

      Given that he made a few edits instead of locking it down, I'd guess the answer is "yes."

  2. So what? by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it's to remove bullshit and/or to straighten the record???

  3. Slashdot sez... by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

    I mean, come on. If you want to throw dirt at Wikipedia, can't you come up with something better than this? Not news, people. Not news at all.

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  4. Really... by ElGnomo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Critical question: Who cares? Why is this important?

  5. Write vs Edit by Valiss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not that I have an opinion either way ('cause I don't), but it seems to me that he did not write about himself, but rather edited content about his entry. I don't see why editing your bio, espcially to correct errors, would be such a terrible crime worthy of news.

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    1. Re:Write vs Edit by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales has edited his own entry in the online encyclopedia at least 18 times, in violation of Wikipedia's policy on autobiography.
      This is dumb. ... the wiki is just as bad
      You should wait for others to write an article about subjects in which you are personally involved. This particularly applies to autobiographies

      The only person, by definition, who CAN write an autobiograhy about Wales is Wales.

      definition: autobiography: The biography of a person written by that person.

      Is english the first language of any of the editors of slashdot or wikimedia?

    2. Re:Write vs Edit by timster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nonsense. Anyone who has ever tried to write an article about anything knows that it is quite difficult to come up with something that is one hundred percent accurate. There are plenty of errors in the Encyclopedia Brittanica, as demonstrated by the recent study.

      Please distinguish between the PROCESS of Wikipedia and the CONTENT of Wikipedia. Certainly it's possible to find errors in the content, but these do not prove that the process is invalid unless the number of errors is excessive (see again the recent study). Similarly, attempting to "prove" that the process is invalid through some logical stroke (as you have attempted to do) is irrelevant unless you can show that the theoretical problems with the process do meaningful damage to the content.

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    3. Re:Write vs Edit by PenguiN42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Simple: because it shows the anonymous masses got it wrong, which undermines the very foundation of Wikipedia.

      The "very foundation of Wikipedia" is not that the "anonymous masses" will get everything 100% correct. Claiming that this is the case is a pretty disingenuous strawman. I see you got 5 insightful points out of it, too, which points to a growing, somewhat confusing, anti-wikipedia fever on Slashdot.

      If nothing else, what does it say for the accuracy of the vast majority of Wikipedia biographies about people who *don't* closely monitor their own entries?

      This has nothing to do with biographies, but rather is about all articles on wikipedia: There are going to be some mistakes. Don't use an encyclopedia as a primary source. Nothing new here, please move along.

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    4. Re:Write vs Edit by AlvySinger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So when John Seigenthaler is libelled, the crowd shout: he could edit it to make it correct.

      When a Wiki bod edits their own entry it's wrong.

      I know this is /. a place where reason comes a distant second to dogma, but sheesh, really. At least having it every which way means you're never wrong, right?

  6. About WP:AUTO by thephotoman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, he didn't create the article, but has just edited it for factual information. This is perfectly kosher, even if it is a faux paus socially. Other notable WP contributors have edited pages about themselves, providing factual information only.

    Furthermore, it's his website, he can do whatever the hell he wants with it.

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    1. Re:About WP:AUTO by geoffspear · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Furthermore, it's his website, he can do whatever the hell he wants with it.

      It's fine for you to believe that, as long as you're not also one of the people who belives that WP should be taken seriously as a source of unbiased research.

      Personally, I don't care if he edits the article on oxygen to claim it has an atomic weight of 600, and then locks the entry from further editing. It's his website, and I don't use it for research. Those who do take it seriously should have second thoughts if he shares your attitude, though.

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  7. Is this a good policy? by massysett · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The article actually invokes some interesting questions which the discussion here isn't quite getting at. Wikipedia has a policy/guideline that says it's ill-advised for persons to edit their own biographies. The question is, is this a good policy/guideline?

    On the one hand, Wales' case shows why it might be a good policy to advise against people editing their own biographies. He insists that the other man was not a "co-founder" of Wikipedia. Wales is in a position to know this, and it seems to me to be a bad idea to bar knowledgeable people from editing articles. Clearly Wales is knowledgeable about his own life.

    On the other hand, it looks like Wales was trying to rewrite history. It appears likely that his Bomis Babes was at least so-called "adult entertainment," the modern euphamism for porn. He often removed these references to porn entirely. This seems to be injecting falsehood and bias into Wikipedia.

    A lot of the Slashdot reaction has been "why does this matter" but it really does invoke some interesting questions if you stop for a minute to think about it.

  8. Re:you are an ass by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You'd think that since he's the FOUNDER, he would have some wikipedia equivalent of root.

    In other words, why wasn't he able to edit his own entry without having his edits tracked?

    Like you, I think the fact that he left his actions apparent for anyone to follow shows that he didn't think there was anything wrong with his edits.

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  9. Umm, has anyone looked up "autobiography" by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, the key feature of an autobiography is for one to write about one's self.

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