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New Keyboard Has Just 53 Keys

Enigma5O writes to tell us The Tech Zone is reporting on a new style of keyboard with just 53 keys. Departing from the normal QWERTY keyboard setup the 'New Standard Keyboard' designed by John Parkinson measures just 12.5 inches wide x 5 inches deep x 1 inch thick and is arranged in alphabetical order. The keyboard has been designed with ergonomics in mind keeping all keys within easy reach of the home position. The only question is, will everyone be willing to relearn how to type?

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  1. My Theory of Keyboard Design by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok, I looked at this keyboard and (aside from moving the keys to an abcd format) it seems to use more of shift-like functionality. Each key I see has 5 labelings and I hope to god that the ones I can't make out in white are the numbers because I can't seem to find them anywhere else on this freak of nature.

    I just counted on my own traditional 101-key keyboard 146 or so different values I could want to send to the computer. So let's use that number in a brief analysis of methods we could use to design a keyboard.

    On one hand, you could have a physical key for each and every character/signal you want to send. Yes, even upper case letters would be a key different from lower case.

    On the other hand, you could say that combinations of keys count for sending signals. This assumes the user can depressed keys instantly but this means that for each key, we've doubled the amount of signals we can send. So, the smallest power of 2 above 146 is 256 or 2^8. And this is fine because we have 10 fingers which is more then enough to hit 8, if required.

    However, we don't want a keyboard with a key for every signal and we don't want to have to memorize combinations and press down on keys instantly to obtain the desired signal.

    What we do want is a happy medium.

    Both the 101 and 53 key methods provide that medium, I guess it's just a case of who came first (similar to the problem with Dvorak simplified keyboard Which many people have contended is better than QWERTY yet has not taken off like it should have.

    Unless this new keyboard poses some amazing qualities that set it far and above the old design, it's probably not going to take ...

    ... and I'm not seeing these innovative designs, just a need for me to memorize a new key pattern.

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    1. Re:My Theory of Keyboard Design by dsginter · · Score: 4, Funny

      While we're at it, we should all convert to a more sensible language like Spanish. English is just too difficult to master.

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    2. Re:My Theory of Keyboard Design by Crayon+Kid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Dvorak layout had a lot of theoretical goodness going for it and still couldn't take over QWERTY. How can this one?

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    3. Re:My Theory of Keyboard Design by Ed+Avis · · Score: 5, Interesting

      80-20 rule: not all of those 146 different values you could send are used that often. A good keyboard design would be based on an analysis of what letters and keys are pressed most often (assuming we want to keep the principle of one key per letter, one key for Enter and so on) and have a kind of Huffman coding so that the most commonly used characters are quickest to type.

      Programmers type characters like { } $ ( ) = + more often than the general population. It would be an awesome geek-toy to have a keyboard which promoted these characters to their own keys and relegated those useless squiggles like vowels to Shift-Ctrl combinations ;-).

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    4. Re:My Theory of Keyboard Design by maxwell+demon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Another way to provide a medium would be to say that each letter is composed of exactly two keys pressed at the same time. That is, if you press just one key, nothing happens. This relieves you from having to press all keys at exactly the same time, and gives you n(n-1)/2 values for n keys. So for your 146 values, you'd need 18 keys (17 keys would only provide 136 values, 18 keys provide 153 values). With a keyboard of 3 rows of 6 keys each, I could even imagine that to be useable for one-handed typing. Or maybe a 4x4 pad with two larger keys below. Of course the disadvantage of that approach is that there's no easy way to label the keys, so if you don't remember a certain key combination, you cannot just look at the keyboard to find it.

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    5. Re:My Theory of Keyboard Design by Politburo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dvorak is nearly 80 years old. I don't think there can be any royalty requirement... and I've never heard of that before. Dvorak keyboards are expensive simply because there is lower demand.

    6. Re:My Theory of Keyboard Design by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yea, I think we're stuck with the keyboards we have, rather than the keyboards everyone thinks we should want. And just from my own perspective, 53 keys isn't anywhere near enough...I get the shakes if I don't have a number pad at least.

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    7. Re:My Theory of Keyboard Design by mtdnelson · · Score: 3, Funny
      Esperanto, please. No masculine/feminine/neuter, no irregular verbs, only one way to form plurals...

      Apparantly it only takes a week to learn Esperanto. When everyone else speaks it, I'll only be a week behind!

      I believe that argument was coined by a lady called Trudi Berger (not sure of the spelling, sorry), who used to be a specialist in language crash courses at York University in the 70s.

      She used to help her students get top grades in modern language exams in a week (from scratch). The only problem is that you often forget in less than seven days what was learnt in the previous week! So the solution was to follow one of her crash courses with an extended visit to the appropriate country...

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    8. Re:My Theory of Keyboard Design by eraserewind · · Score: 4, Funny

      Interesting, but all the same please remind me never to buy a keyboard from you.

    9. Re:My Theory of Keyboard Design by zippthorne · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's true, spanish is easy to use. Just like mac. French is even easier, and they have a bureau to stamp out unfrench words, keeping it closed and proprietary - windows. English is a bit more open-source. As a result, it seems to have incorporated just about every word under the sun, so really it should only be used by hardcore language hobbyists.

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    10. Re:My Theory of Keyboard Design by forgoil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not to mention that everyone isn't using A-Z either. Here we got å,ä,ö as well, and some languages need even more extra keys. How about creating _one_ keyboard that works for more languages, so we don't actually have to have different keyboards depending on which, fairly similar, alphabet we use?

      And a, b, c, d, e, f is just as random as q, w, e, r, t, y. What we need is an international dvorak that is optimized for a common alphabet for a large number of languages. That probably will be so incredibly good it won't sell more than 2 keyboards. After all, the dumber I find an idea, the better it sells :/

    11. Re:My Theory of Keyboard Design by mdielmann · · Score: 3, Funny

      [English] seems to have incorporated just about every word under the sun, so really it should only be used by hardcore language hobbyists.

      Have you seen how most people use English? It appears they all think they're hardcore language hobbyists...

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    12. Re:My Theory of Keyboard Design by murderlegendre · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who modded the parent informative? That's simply pure nonsense.

      The Dvorak layout was patented in 1932, and thus the patent is expired. It was designated an alternate standard keyboard layout by the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) in 1982. The reasons it never 'took off' are twofold - First and foremost, 99.9% of anyone who learns to type, learns on a QWERTY keyboard. Secondly, and more to the point, it's been shown over and over that there is no inherent speed advantage to the Dvorak layout. Yes, some people prefer the Dvorak layout, but if you put two groups of fast typists head-to-head, QWERTY vs. Dvorak, the results will tend to be a toss-up.

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    13. Re:My Theory of Keyboard Design by happyemoticon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Reforming keyboard design is like trying to reform orthography: noble, logical, and in the words of one of my professors, "Quixotic." QWERTY is at least as stupid and weird in its configuration as words like "through," which has almost twice the letters that it needs, vowels that can have any number of actual sounds (A: ash, calm, able). But as long as we keep writing like this, even though I, a Californian, only understand people in Yorkshire half the time (and that's if they want me to), can read the menus and signs, and I can read texts from 500 years ago even though the language has changed quite a bit. Likewise, I can type on any keyboard without feeling like a boob because it's ABC or Dvorak. Like with Windows and X86, it's all about backwards compatibility and portability.

    14. Re:My Theory of Keyboard Design by niteice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well now, if you hadn't used a Mac since 1994, do you really expect to be able to sit down at one 11 years later and use it right away? Could someone that hadn't used since Windows since 1994 switch from 3.1 to XP that fast?

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  2. One word anwser by ZiakII · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only question is, will everyone be willing to relearn how to type?

    no

    1. Re:One word anwser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The only question is, will everyone be willing to relearn how to type?

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  3. Space Key by Freexe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They seem to have forgotten the space key?

    Any keyboard without a big bar that either thumb can use to space will never take off in my book. But maybe the PDA market will like it

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    1. Re:Space Key by RedBear · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Space key is bottom-center, labeled SpFn. Tap it without hitting another key and it's a space. Hold it down to activate function keys. Seems fairly obvious.

      Unfortunately this keyboard does fail to solve one major usability problem which is that Control-key combinations are a real pain. You will still have to remove your hand from the home keys or bend your pinky around into a really awkward position. In comparison, the "Command" key used in most Mac keyboard shortcuts is right next to the spacebar like the Alt key on PC keyboards. On a Mac, one only has to move one's thumb slightly off the spacebar to be able to quickly type a couple dozen keyboard shortcuts without vacating the home keys. When I used the BeOS I got used to using the Alt key in a similar way since they imitated a lot of Mac conventions, and to this day I am still amazed at the comparitive awkwardness of using the Control key for most keyboard shortcuts on Windows and Linux. This keyboard does nothing to solve that problem for me. Too bad, because otherwise it looks interesting.

    2. Re:Space Key by RevMike · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that key is "Special Function". There are a pair of dark blue/black keys on the bottom row with a right arrow symbol on them. My guess is that these are the space keys. BTW, there are two other keys in the same dark blue/black. The one on the left has two right arrows - I'm guessing tab. The one on the right has a down arrow - I'm guessing enter/return.

      On either side of the "space" keys are keys labeled Num and Cap. These are in convenient thumb locations as well, and probably access numbers and capital letters. There is no obvious caps lock, which is no great loss. There is also a pair of Sym keys on in the alphabet area which probably access puntuation.

      Finally, Ctrl, Alt, and some keys that I can't make out in the picture but are probably the windows keys in the bottom-most "control" row. They are at the most inconvenient positions - probably a reasonable move for the average user.

      I need hjkl together though. :)

  4. I doubt it by sucker_muts · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This keyboard will be equally succesfull as the dvorak keyboard. People are so accustomed to their 'native 'keyboard (I have azerty but can type fairly well on qwerty) they won't change unless this new keyboard really is so much better.
    As for gamers, why would I want to give up the luxury of binding each and every key I want from the standard 101-key design to a special function, or why would I want to reset my movement/jump/whatever keys?

    Unless they give away bars of gold with each one I don't see why the general public might need this keyboard.

    From the article: Alphabetical letters are easier to find and keys are color-coded on the NSK535R to aid hunt & peck typists
    So people who are new to computers need to 'find' keys on their keyboard? After a while you know where they are, I guess. I don't think new computer users would like to be treated as children with such a nice colorful slimmed down keyboard. I expect people want the whole deal, even if it's only for later on...

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  6. Re:QWERTY, DVORAK, ABCDEF by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 3, Informative


    The theory that the QWERTY keyboard was designed specifically to slow typists down is a myth...the real reason was mechanical....commonly used keys needed to be placed far away from each other to prevent the levers from jamming.

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  7. Pictures by BarryNorton · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Pictures by bje2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Um, even with safe search on, what is up with that 2nd pic???

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  8. Impossible to game with by ezpei · · Score: 4, Funny

    You'd need two hands just to reach A, W, S, and D and god forbid you have to strafe

  9. No Numbers by TexTex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, I can appreciate the space-saving design in theory, but I doubt anything good will come from a keyboard in which you need to use a Function key to type a number. Laptops may have this feature, but they also have a regular number row.

    A side note: The article uses "There are only half as many keys to learn" as an advantage. Not quite. I still need to learn all the keys, but there's only half as many spaces in which to put them. So I'm learning at least two key positions for every button...if not more.

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  10. Ergonomic? by ccweigle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Um, is the "ergonomic rule" about putting commonly used keys under strong fingers only one of these "everybody knows it's true" and not a real truth? 'Cause this sucker has 4 vowels under pinkies (a, e, i under the left pinky at that). Wouldn't that be bad ergonomic design, if the finger-strength rule is real?

  11. You heard it here first... by Ingolfke · · Score: 4, Informative

    This article, written in JANUARY, provides a better overview of the product.

    A few interesting quotes...

    That's because the QWERTY layout was never intended to slow down typists - a common accusation from Dvorak supporters - but to allow them to type quickly without jamming the keys in their typewriters. In other words, QWERTY was designed to be efficient, too.

    The New Standard Keyboard addresses the issue of key layout by subsuming ergonomics and typing efficiency for the sake of the hunt-and-peck typist.

    Meaning it targets the lowest common denominator... another quote I read said that it was target at (or atleast could appeal to) senior citizens and those who don't know how to type. I can see that... but figure the market for people who are going to die before it makes sense to learn how to type is probably not that large or sustainable. Could be wrong.

    Anyways the website for the product is here, and appears to under reconstruction. Lame... like the color scheme of this keyboard.

    Old news... lame news... next please.

  12. I created a new type of car by hedleyroos · · Score: 5, Funny

    It has only a gas pedal. You have to pull the door handle and hit gas simultaneously to brake.

    I switched the gearlever from the traditional five to a more ergonomical two gears and second gear is the default. Studies have proven that more motorists pull away in second.

    We expect this new model to replace traditional models around the same time DVORAK replaces QWERTY.

  13. "Chording" keyboards are not new by dickwolf · · Score: 3, Informative

    May I recommend the Kinesis Ergo keyboard?

    This device helped my wrists recover from severe tendonitis; I have had no relapses. The keys are arranged in vertical columns, which is something the "New Standard" got right, but it looks as if it forces your hands to remain unnaturally close together. Also, "chording" (pressing more than one key simultaneously) just creates superfluous keystrokes.

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  14. Its a joke? by DunderXIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Someone calls a 53-key ABCD keyboard a "new standard keyboard" and suddenly people start to think that it will replace keyboards? ABCD keyboards have been around for a while and aren't any good for typing. As far as layout goes ABCD is as bad as QWERTY in terms of random placement of the keys. The theory that it will "help kids learns" is bull. It might help grandma learn, but a normal kid will pickup any keyboard layout. This might as well be the DVORAK layout then, it's truly much better in terms of key placement.

  15. Re:QWERTY, DVORAK, ABCDEF by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 3, Informative
    1. Go to Control Panel
    2. Click on 'Regional and language Options'
    3. Click on the 'Languages' tab in 'Regional and Language Options'
    4. Click on the 'Details' button in the 'Languages' tab in 'Regional and Language Options'

    5. Click on the 'Add' button in the 'Settings' tab in 'Text Services and Input Languages'
    6. In the 'Add Input Language' dialog box, check the box labeled 'Keyboard layout/IME:'
    7. The drop-down box below the checkbox will activate. Find and select 'United States-Dvorak', and click OK.
    8. Click 'OK'
    9. Click 'OK'
    10. In the taskbar, find the little keyboard icon near the right side. Click on it
    11. You'll see that you can now toggle between 'English (United States)' and 'United States-Dvorak'.

    That's about as clear as I can make it without screenies. Let me know how it goes.
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  16. Re:QWERTY, DVORAK, ABCDEF by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 3, Informative


    Before you cite a source, you might want to read all of it first.

    The last five panels on that page refute those myths.

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  17. in other news... by critical_v · · Score: 3, Funny

    i just designed a guitar with 6 frets and 24 strings...of course, now the tuning pattern is completely different, so i'll call it..uhh..."new standard tuning"! i wonder if it'll catch on.

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  18. macally iceKEY by GeneralAntilles · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have a macally iceKEY which has almost the exact same tactile response as an Apple laptop keyboard, but it's full sized and USB http://www.macally.com/spec/usb/input_device/iceke y.html. It has working eject, volume up/down, and mute keys, too.

    I actually just purchased one of these: http://www.pckeyboard.com/customizer.html in a custom Mac and Dvorak layout and it's an awesome experience to type on. These people hold the rights from Lexmark and manufacture the modern day IBM Model M that is so coveted nowadays.

  19. Other alternative keyboards by ahodgkinson · · Score: 3, Informative
    There have been numerous attempts at producing 'better' keyboards.

    Here are two that I am familiar with:

    Microwriter

    I remember seeing advertisements in the back of Byte magazine in the late 80s for a device called the Microwriter. It was a one-handed keyboard with only five keys and you 'played' chords in order to enter the desired character.

    It's no longer manufactured, but here are some pictures and an image of the chords for the characters a to z.

    A successor to the Microwriter exists and is called the CYKEY. The web site claims compatibility with some PDAs.

    DataHand

    The DataHand consisted of two banks of multi-switches (for want of a better word) one for each hand. The multi-switches were essentially little cups in which you rested your fingers. Each multi-switch could be activated in five directions: down, north, south, east, west. Down was a 'normal' key press, and the compass directions involved pressing a switch to the side of your finger tip. Basically your fingers remained still and you merely moved you finger tips. I believe you could also get pedals to act as shift keys.

    Have a look here to learn more about it.

    I friend of mine actually had one of these, he was a translator and had to do massive amounts of typing. He claimed it was 'somewhat' more efficient but rather difficult to get used to. I think he gave it up in the end.

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  20. Fewer Keys by olddotter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ok the article appears to be slashdotted. Perhaps later I can get a look at this keyboard.

    I would welcome a trend to smaller keyboards with fewer keys. The growth of specialized keys on keyboards has really gotten out of hand in my opinion. What reason is there for 100+ keys on the keyboard?

    How about a new survey question of "How many keys does your keyboard have that you have NEVER used?"

  21. Ergonomic? by gr8_phk · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "and have a kind of Huffman coding so that the most commonly used characters are quickest to type.

    Exactly. So this guy claiming it's ergonomic is full of crap. Alphabetical layouts are terrible for getting common keys under the home row because they have to use that fixed (arbitrary actually) order. I think QWERTY is bad too, but if we're going to change, lets at least put some letter frequency information into the design.

  22. Your awesome geek-toy already exists! by tendays · · Score: 3, Informative

    Programmers type characters like { } $ ( ) = + more often than the general population. It would be an awesome geek-toy to have a keyboard which promoted these characters to their own keys and relegated those useless squiggles like vowels to Shift-Ctrl combinations ;-).

    Your awesome geek-toy already exists! It is the French "azerty" keyboard! :-) Check the layout: azerty.png

    {, (, $, etc are accessible by single key-presses, but to type numbers you have to use shift (who uses numbers anyway)

  23. Re:Spanish, English, and Keyboard Design by Descalzo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Sí. Tienez rasón. El español ez mucho máz fásil para ezcrivir. Haber si algún día lo harreglan para que zea perfecto.

    Biba México!

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