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Digital Content Security Act

bdwoolman writes "Congress is leaving a special gift under the tree for Hollywood's film industry. Just before closing for the holidays, legislators introduced a new proposal designed to curb redistribution of movies.The Digital Transition Content Security Act would embed anticopying technology into the next generation of digital video products. If it makes its way from Capitol Hill to the Oval Office and becomes law, the measure will outlaw the manufacture or sale of electronic devices that convert analog video signals into digital video signals, effective one year from its enactment. PC-based tuners and digital video recorders are listed among the devices."

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  1. You are violating the act by arrrrg · · Score: 4, Funny

    by converting this post from analog to digital in your brain. You will be hearing from my lawyers (fp?).

  2. Remember people by Saven+Marek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    USA only gets control over USA, and you always have a choice where to live.

    1. Re:Remember people by zwilliams07 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't know the USA. Give em a few years, soon you won't have a choice where to live.

    2. Re:Remember people by jasonditz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Odds were good that if you lived in Stalinist Russia you wouldn't wind up in a gulag either... that doesn't mean either was a good idea.

    3. Re:Remember people by chriswaclawik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, many people have absolutely no control over where they live (due to either social, economic, or political reasons).

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    4. Re:Remember people by ZoTo · · Score: 5, Informative

      The US pushes many of its laws into other countries. Australia for instance is being forced to adopt US copyright laws (amongst other things) in return for being able to export goods to the US.

  3. Digital Rights Massacre by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, and won't all this conversion to DRM'd digital machines obsolete the old ones? Of course, which is probably the real goal here. They aren't merely plugging a hole in their Digital Rights Massacreing, they're forcing everyone to go out and buy new stuff! WOOT, keep the economy fueled and the profits where they belong: in the hands of those who don't need them.

    1. Re:Digital Rights Massacre by pete6677 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This will ensure that the bill fails. We should be glad that it is so ridiculous that it has no chance of passing, rather than only being semi-crazy like the DMCA. Hollywood may like the idea of making their movies so secure that most people can't even play them, but device makers won't appreciate having to redesign their entire product line. Competing corporate interests will keep this bill from ever seeing the light of day.

  4. The senate can leave this present under the tree.. by theheff · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...but I'll still be leaving the flaming bag of poo at the front door.

  5. But I like my microphone! by masgrada · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So now I can't record my guitar to my computer? No more computer karaoke? How broad of a "analogue" device definition are we talking?

    1. Re:But I like my microphone! by icecow · · Score: 4, Funny

      quote:
      So now I can't record my guitar to my computer? No more computer karaoke? /endquote

      Your arguements are not helping.

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  6. Re:Backed by John Conyers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    >he's spent all his political capital in my eyes.

    Ewww.

    I hope he at least had the common decency to hand you a tissue.

  7. All analog-to-digital video conversion? by Verteiron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's a lot of stuff. For a start, my father-in-law loves his digital camcorder. As a journalist I'm sure he'll be thrilled with this new "freedom of choice".

    Geez.. all digital still and video cameras, my old Hauppage WinTV-PCI card... Let's see, all HDTV and LCD monitors...

    Somehow I don't see this one going through without a fight from hardware manufacturers. And since they have more money than Hollywood, they'll probably win. I hope.

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    1. Re:All analog-to-digital video conversion? by JoeBorn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well the article was a little misleading, it won't really outlaw all analog to digital conversion, it will just make it so that the hardware manufacturers have to recognize a signal in the analog stream that dictates what can and can't be done with the stream. In effect this will likely make those devices useless since no media will allow recording, just like virtually no DVDs allow copying today. Yes, you can expect the INDEPENDENT hardware manufacturers to fight this, but there aren't very many of them around anymore. Sony has studios, Apple is the 7th largest music retailer in the US with ITMS, and TiVo is already largely beholden to the content providers. Microsoft is aggressively courting Hollywood to adopt its DRM and codec standards, so it's not clear they'll fight it. It really is scary:

      http://www.neurostechnology.com/press/freedom.asp

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  8. Re:Ready to move to Canada yet? by TigerNut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Like crypto, excessive legislation and draconian enforcement in the digital rights management scene will just drive software and hardware development (as well as independent filmmmaking) out of the US... you guys down there need to wake up your senators and other government reps and explain to them that they're killing the tech industry just so that the bigwig media machine can make its crappy "entertainment".

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  9. Write your congress person by JoeBorn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is no bigger threat to technical innovation than this bill presents
    http://www.house.gov/writerep/

    There is a great imbalance in the corporate interested regarding fair use rights, and citizens need to make up the difference if we're going to keep this kind of legislation at bay, see below for our take on why digital rights have been steadily eroding recently.
    http://www.neurosaudio.com/press/freedom.asp

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  10. Damn the MPAA is scary. by radiotyler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm serious. Who else can lobby to get an ENTIRE FAMILY of computer hardware made illegal? It's not a matter of "how people are going to get around the law" but more "why were they able to make that law"? If you're a content owner, you have an absolute right to defend your own proprety. YOU do. The government has no responsibility to come along behind you and clean up and protect it for you, that's insane. It's alreay illegal to duplicate copyrighted works without permission from the owner, so honestly, how is this benefical? If anyone was still in need of a wakeup call, this is the one you were waiting for.

    This issue seems more and more like it should fall into the "if you can't beat them, join them" category. You've known for YEARS that people were copying movie content via VCR's and music via tape decks. There wasn't a mad cram for legislation to codemn "analog to analog devices" that would make duplication of content any easier. This just reeks of technophobia - they aren't sure how they're going to make money with shows floating on the web. (remember Spaceballs? "Merchandising, merchandising, merchandising. Spacballs the flamethrower!")

    Maybe it's time to start focusing some of that lobby money and MPAA kickbacks into either finding a way to preserve your own digital rights, or maybe finding a better way to pay for your content distribution on the internet so you can reap some rewards for owning that bit of cinema / software / music. It sounds like a better plan to me.

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  11. Re:Backed by John Conyers by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He's doing well in some areas but -- obviously -- not so well, to put it mildly in others. That's the problem with high-tech censorship; there's no identifiable voting bloc in Congress that's opposed to it. You can pretty much count on the liberals to stand up against press censorship, and the conservatives to stand up against religious censorship, and assorted ad hoc coalitions of left and right to stand up against political censorship; but when it comes to That Weird Geeky Stuff, there are no good guys. Left and right are equally in the *AA's pocket. There are a couple of individual politicians who do seem to have some spine on this issue, but there aren't enough of them to make a difference when the votes are counted.

    Outside the government, it's pretty much the same story. The EFF fights the good fight, but they're small potatoes. The really big, influential civil rights groups which should be up in arms -- the ACLU and NRA both come to mind -- apparently don't have any understanding of how technological issues affect their core missions, and so the EFF is left pretty much on its own.

    I'd like to believe that one of these days the *AA will just push a little too far, and Joe Sixpack will rise up in revolt ... but I'm not optimistic.

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  12. Re:Can anyone post a link? by Sheetrock · · Score: 4, Informative
    It is HR4569. THOMAS appears a little slow at the moment, but it is available elsewhere on Google I think.

    John Conyers indicated he will discuss this further on his blog later as well, as the issue was brought up by some angry people under one of his posts (I think as a result of a Daily Kos article on the matter). Comment #80 on this page appears to be the start of the comments on the matter, and it might be worth hovering around the blog in days to come to see if he gives the opportunity for people to (calmly and rationally) express their thoughts on the matter.

    BTW: his comment in the thread above (Comment #96) gives more details about why he signed on. I don't think it even begins to consider the spirit of Fair Use or the rights of the average consumer, but then I don't get the impression that Congress thinks we're worth a damn beyond our votes and purchasing power.

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  13. How come nobody gets it? by Afecks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This has little to do with piracy and everything to do with making consumers pay multiple times for the same product.

    That's why movies are released first to film and then to DVD. It's not because it takes time to produce the DVD. Though it does take a little effort to slap together some menus and cut scenes but that's not why. In fact the piracy scene has been able to get several "DVD screeners" while the movie is in theaters. These big budget movies are hoping for an Oscar so they send letter-box DVD versions to the academy for consideration and in the process some pirates get their hands on them. So it's obviously possible to release on DVD and film concurrently. It'll just never happen because they want people to see it in theaters and buy the DVD. Not one or the other.

    This is just one example...it's not why they want to protect digital media though..for that you've got to delve into the mind of the typical MPAA though process..

    "Oh your DVD got scratched? Well you better buy a new copy. What? You want to make back ups?! PIRATE!!!"

    Do you honestly think embedding protection into digital media is going to stop pirates? No, it's going to stop John Q. Public from protecting his investment. Pirates could care less because if they can't copy it freely they'll bypass the protection, if they can't get a digital copy, they'll film it with a camera. All this analog hole and DRM non-sense is just corporate double speak for "we want more money!".

    The MPAA needs to stop using piracy as an excuse to screw over the paying customers. Of course that will never happen because then everyone might actually figure out what's what.

  14. Re:Backed by John Conyers by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Informative

    And I suppose that 10 grand capaign donation from the music industry is a complete coincidence?

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  15. Re:Backed by John Conyers by weston · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First off, where did you find this entry? I don't see a title containing the words Digital or Content anywhere here...

    Second:

    "I have said repeatedly that any legislation affecting the ability of consumers to use content must be carefully balanced to respect consumer expectations and rights and, of course, fair use."

    Does he really know what he's talking about? How can he not realize that if you outlaw devices except those that follow instructions from content owners, you've effectively eliminated any use except those they decide to give you -- fair or not?

    Has he really though through the implications for independent journalism? If you can put an analog signal in a broadcast, speech, performance, that dictates its disposition/distribution, you've effectively ended independent journalism that uses direct A/V sources. Bush messes up in a speech? Sorry, you *can't* rebroadcast it -- hell, you might not be allowed to record it. The only version that will exist and be distributed will be the official version.

    "many - many - artists have come directly to me saying that piracy is threatening their ability to make a living. "

    Who? How many? Can we really trust decisions in a matter of policy like this to secondhand anecdotal estimates? Make your case, but do it openly and preferably with some references to some analyses that looks harder than that. As the Representative himself stated, there are also many, many artists who don't feel like piracy is a particularly big problem. I'd be interested to know why he's choosing to listen to those who do feel threatened by piracy.

    Giving content providers ultimate control is the wrong place to fight this for anyone who can think through the issue and genuinely cares about liberties. If the Representative can't see this, he'll have a hard time convincing me he's not deficient in at least one of the two areas. I'd love to be able to see his responses, thoough.

  16. Re:Backed by John Conyers by Fordiman · · Score: 5, Funny

    "RMS"?

    I'm all for having the Root-Mean-Square algorithm - or any algorithm (except Al Gore, of course) - for president. Hell, even a prime search algoritm would do a better job than Reagan, Bush, Clinton, W. Bush, or any of the 2008 nominatory candidates I've heard of so far.

    Actually, a No. 2 pencil would do a better job.

    Fucking useless human presidents.

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