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Xbox Shortages Continue, Console Meeting Goals

Eurogamer reports that Microsoft is finally beginning to get some more 360 consoles into the retail channel. From the article: "Xbox does not announce details of shipments, but I can tell you that we're on track to meet our 90 day forecast of 2.75 to 3.0 million units ..." Despite that level of success, Microsoft is still disappointed with production levels and sales.

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  1. Shortage reason... by Maxhrk · · Score: 0

    it smell bullshit.. microsoft disappoints about production level.. afterall they are one whom push it to november 2005 instead of spring 2006.

    1. Re:Shortage reason... by ceejayoz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, releasing a product right before Christmas is always a shitty decision.

      Anyone who'd have bought it in Spring 2006 can still buy it in Spring 2006. If they can't get one because they're all sold out now, they're not waiting any longer than they would have if Microsoft had held off the release as you say they should have.

    2. Re:Shortage reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      english must is second language.. post am bad grammar.. therefore we are one whom boggle at clumsy words instead of sense-making.

      take off every zig.

  2. Great question, sherlock! by suspected · · Score: 0, Troll

    I really liked the last paragraph of that article: '"Asked whether he thought there was any truth to rumours that the shortages are deliberate, Sony's Phil Harrison told gi.biz, "I don't believe that for a second. I think that it's clear that they're making every unit that they can - whether that is enough for demand or they can't make enough is a question you'll have to put to Microsoft. It's definitely not done on purpose, I can assure you of that."' It's great how we take people's words instead of hard facts. In my opinion, Microsoft clearly planned for a shortage and could have easily avoided or at the very least mitigated the shortage by releasing the console a few weeks later but still in time for the Christmas release. It's so obviously clear that they were trying to use the scarcity factor to make the 360 seem more desirable to dimwitted customers; it makes me wonder why people even bother to ask the question.

    1. Re:Great question, sherlock! by shawb · · Score: 1

      There are many preorders not filled. Many of the preorders won't be filled by christmas as it is, not to mention lots and lots of people who want one but didn't preorder. Therefore, assuming that their factories are at maximum output, they could not have made a release by christmas. The entire game industry considers it important to release things near christmas, so it made sense that they tried.

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    2. Re:Great question, sherlock! by aliquis · · Score: 1

      So what's better with releasing late and have many available or release earlier and just have a few?

    3. Re:Great question, sherlock! by xtieburn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well ignoring the irony of saying that you shouldnt take other peoples word for it, yet you appear to only have other peoples word for it that the shortages are on purpose...

      IT isnt clear at all that they're using scarcity as a factor, you dont leave a good chunk of your pre-orderers without there product. Those are you most valuable customers and they have very little impact on the walk in rush that gets the media headlines. Makes no sense for them not to fulfill those orders. There's also the fact that the 360 was a rush to get out, games printing before final checks, tweaks to the system being made right up to the beginning of production. Not to mention MS want to keep production costs down and getting production up to a level that would succefully fulfill demand would cost them vast sums of money.

      There isnt any real evidence to support the idea that MS purposefully restricted supply and a host of good reasons why supply would be short. Nothing clear about it at all.

    4. Re:Great question, sherlock! by MBCook · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Sorry, but I call bull. What good does a shortage do MS? Hype? So what?

      Scenario A: MS is capable of making 500,000 units and delivering them to the USA. They do and sell 450,000 by the end of the year (I think they'd sell out, but I'll be cautious). They therefor take in 450,000 * $350 (average price of the two SKUs), or $157,500,000 gross.

      Scenario B: MS is capable of making 500,000 units and delivering them to the USA. They make 300,000 and sell them all fast. They end up with tons of pent up demand (150,000 ready buyers according to my numbers). XBox 360s go for as high as $1000 each on eBay. MS makes 300,000 * $350 (because they only get retail) or $105,000,000 dollars. They lost out on a possible $52,500,000 which would be 33% or ONE THIRD of their possible gross intake.

      So by making a shortage they:

      • Make less money (by 33% with my fictional number, probably could sell MANY more than my guess)
      • Frustrate consumers
      • Have fewer consoles to sell software for
      • Make buyers hold back until they are able to get one by which time the PS3 hype machine will be in full spin
      • Get lots of press

      I see ONE of those that is good for them. That means they traded $50 MILLION for good press. Don't you think that $25 million could have bought them good press?

      Your logic makes absolutely no business sense. The only way your idea would work would be if (as someone in an article suggested, someone from Forbes or CNN perhaps) MS sold them auction format or on a sliding scale against demand so that when the 360s sell for $800, MS gets $780 of it instead of $330.

      But they didn't do that. So a false shortage makes NO ECONOMIC OR BUSINESS SENSE. If you disagree, please (using my hypothetical numbers) show me how they would have derived more than $50,000,000 worth of benefit with the false shortage.

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    5. Re:Great question, sherlock! by denidoom · · Score: 1
      360s sell for $800

      It's happening on eBay. I'm amazed people would pay that much for something that they know they could get at a regular price after the holidays.

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    6. Re:Great question, sherlock! by Yeldarb-7 · · Score: 1

      Not only does it increase press, it increases demand as well.
      When they flood the market after Christmas, hopefully (from Microsoft's viewpoint), that demand will still be there and people will gobble them up.

      On the other hand, it is possibly that Microsoft is trying to cut losses while getting big demand and good press, since they actually lose money on each console they sell. Therefore selling more equates to more money lost for Microsoft.

    7. Re:Great question, sherlock! by Bluetick · · Score: 1

      What hard facts are you presenting Sherlock?

    8. Re:Great question, sherlock! by bigman2003 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, it's like that whole Christmas tree thing...if people would just wait a few days later, they could find them out in the street!

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    9. Re:Great question, sherlock! by dmcintos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hey,
      MS is using a sales tactic that has been used by other companies in the past. I have been in sales and marketing for nearly 20 years and have seen this many times.
      What has happened is that MS wants to sell Japan more than anywhere else. They are ok with their sale here at home and so so in Europe. But they time and again have stated that they must sell in Japan.
      There were several routes that could have been taken, and the one they have used is the most risky and only a very bold or arrogant company would attempt it i.e. Phillip Morris, but it can potentially give you incredible leverage in the market.
      This is very easy to see if you have seen it done; which I have by many companies in the past. First you use your current business partners(EB and Gamestop)to field the market;doing presells to be able to project sales. This is something that is done on the wholesale level everytime a new product is brought to market, and occasionaly with retail to fine tune marketing strategies. What MS did was to give EB and Gamestop an allocation of guranteed product by a specified ship date. EB and Gamestop did not oversell their preorders, instead MS cut their initial allocation by 60 percent.This is unheard of for presells, normally the product ship date is readjusted to a time when the presells could be met,this protects the distributors.EB and Gamestop were being used by MS, both of these game distributors have wrestled with console launchs before and do not want to damage their relationship with their customers.MS launched with the shortfall at the expense of their loyal distributors.
      However this is the risky part of this sales strategy, in order to create a demand in a non existing market you must limit supply in existing one.Example; I don't ship the C store near your favorite candy bar, I tell that C store that I cant get enough from manufacturer. I then go down the road and sell it to another C store that has never bought them from me before but now is ready because the people who couldnt find them other places is in his store now asking for them.
      As I said it is risky because you jeopardize your relationship with your current customer base, but it is a way to get in another market without very much extra advertising. If the shortage in USA and the craziness on EBay had worked, Japanese consumers would have bought them as many people here have simply for their resale value, which doesnt' matter just so long as it generates positive sales figures.
      I think that MS has used the shortfall in USA to gain ground in Japan, the reason you all are having a hard time thinking that is because it seems to have failed at this point. That is why few companies will risk it.
      MS is not the first to exploit their customer base and will not be the last.

    10. Re:Great question, sherlock! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they could have just delayed launching in japan, where

      1. nobody really wants one
      2. it's only been 3 years since the first xbox came out.

      that'd free up an additional 150k units right there....

    11. Re:Great question, sherlock! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mitigated the shortage by releasing the console a few weeks later

      It's a few weeks later. Is the shortage over? No. Are you an idiot? Yes.

    12. Re:Great question, sherlock! by oGMo · · Score: 0
      Your logic makes absolutely no business sense.

      Neither does making a product division that loses $4 billion.

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    13. Re:Great question, sherlock! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your theory would be great (and I personally do not believe MS wants to hold back production), but there's a big flaw. MS doesn't make any money on the Xbox 360 unit. They only lose money every time they sell them (one of the few console makers that has sold their console for a loss throughout their entire lifetime). If they produce fewer of them, they lose less money. They aren't making $52 million dollars if they had more. They would be losing millions more dollars. So instead of producing them and losing money, they just hold their production lines while still raking in the hype and marketing success.

      Your other reasons (in particular fewer consoles to sell software and the potential for the PS3/Revolution hype machine to steamroll them) are pretty logical though.

    14. Re:Great question, sherlock! by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That doesn't make any sense. Shortages are never good. The only argument you could make is that they wanted to be "the hot item for Christmas", but that makes no sense. It's a well known product that fanboi's have wanted since it was announced.

      Holding off two weeks wouldn't have helped supply. Assume they are building as fast as they can, using far east slaves working factories around the clock. All they could have done to improve the shortage on release would have been to start building EARLIER, stockpile and release more initially, but as we developers know, that would have meant pushing up deadlines and maybe cutting corners on testing. In all probability they targetted november for delivery, but the compromise was that the designs didn't get to the factory in time to build up a huge number of units.

    15. Re:Great question, sherlock! by cornface · · Score: 2, Funny

      MS is using a sales tactic that has been used by other companies in the past. I have been in sales and marketing for nearly 20 years and have seen this many times.

      It's strange, then, that you never saw the "enter" key.

    16. Re:Great question, sherlock! by Strokke · · Score: 1

      "If you disagree, please (using my hypothetical numbers) show me how they would have derived more than $50,000,000 worth of benefit with the false shortage."

      Your fancy formatting and bullets don't change the fact that your thinking is critically flawed. The black market activity which you described does not reduce the amount of consoles sold in the long term. Microsoft is betting that the black market activity will actually create hype to increase the demand for the systems in the long run, which contradicts what you argued.

      Don't believe me? Lets assume that the market for xbox 360s is willing to purchase 450,000 systems as you previously stated. If the shortage of 300,000 systems is produced then the market is still demanding the extra 150,000 systems. Microsoft does not lose out on the profits, they just cannot recieve them until more xboxes are released. Your flaw is in the middlemen. It doesn't matter how many people profit or are invovled with the process between the supplier and the consumer. Even the might Ebay cannot change the number of units supplied, and the number of units that the consumers demand.

      Microsoft had two choices with the amount of systems to release. The first choice was to release as many as they could produce. Everybody who would want a system would get one, they would sell games, and then nobody would be talking about the system anymore. The second choice was the shortage option. I will stick with your numbers so with this choice 150,000 people did not get a system. They still want the system, and Microsoft is willing to bet that these people will be talking about it, and the added spotlight in the media will increase the demand.

    17. Re:Great question, sherlock! by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "Oh, but our shortages of the PS2 at launch? They were definately real. Definately."

    18. Re:Great question, sherlock! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they expected a shortage but they definitely didnt plan for it. They obviously knew that there were very few consoles and it didnt help that they made a worldwide launch. However, it's very important to release an item during the november-december holiday season. If it was planned then there would be plenty of consoles out by now. It would be idiotic of microsoft to have a warehouse full of consoles with christmas being two days away. Once christmas passes then the big spending craze dies down and people would be more willing to wait for thier competitors.

    19. Re:Great question, sherlock! by ShibaInu · · Score: 1

      No, selling more doesn't equate to more money lost for MS. They've already sunk R&D, marketing, development and manufacturing costs into the console. To get a good price on the components they've probably had to order a fair number. So, even if they do lose money on each box sold, they lose way more by not selling them. An xBox360 sitting in a Target somewhere does MS no good whatsoever. Each unit sold mean more potential game sales, more potential xBoxLive gold accounts, more interest from third party developers.

    20. Re:Great question, sherlock! by ShibaInu · · Score: 1

      Ok, we'll start from the day MS decided to build the 360. They needed to spec the thing out, work with IBM and ATI to develop the tech, then figure out how to build the box. Since it is a console, the price has to be pretty low, so they probably signed agreements with their suppliers (at least IBM and ATI) on a certain minimum number of units. IBM would sell them the three core chip at say $70 if MS purchased 3 million of the suckers.

      The point of all this is that MS has sunk a huge amount of cash into the 360 before a unit saw the glow of a HDTV. Selling them is the ONLY way to get that cash back. Selling lots of them fast makes their money back faster. Very simple.

    21. Re:Great question, sherlock! by !an+++Den!se · · Score: 1

      Hmmmm.... I like how your example of a "hard fact" begins with the words "in my opinion". The truth is, noone can prove or disprove anything about people's wants, so why try to do that with Microsoft?

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    22. Re:Great question, sherlock! by smaffei · · Score: 1

      Whaaa? You said you work in sales and marketing? Then, how about this...

      Microsoft makes money on these (in order of highest profit):

      1. XBox Live Marketplace point cards
      2. XBox Live Gold subscrptions
      3. Acessories like extra controllers, Wi-Fi adapaters, and faceplates
      4. Games

      In order to use these items. YOU MUST HAVE AN XBOX 360!

      During the holidays, people are the most willing to splurge on the aformentioned extras. Retailers want to move these items NOW! They won't move after Christmas and retailers will be stuck with unsold product (and not ordering more from the MS mothership). No X-Mas Xbox, no Xbox accessories sold. It's that simple.

      It makes no sense to cook-up a shortage. A shortage prevents you from selling the extra items that really make the profits. Its the old "razor" vs. "blades" analogy. Or, the "printer" vs. the "ink cartridges" for us techie people.

      I personally think the "shortage" resulted from MS busting butt to get out of the starting blocks before Sony. Because, once the PS3 lands, MS will have to almost give the 360 away to gain marketshare. Pre-mature release is the cause of the shortage, nothing more.

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  3. Spin The Bottle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Xbox does not announce details of shipments

    If they were exceeding the numbers that they would be announcing updates every week. Sony's PS2 numbers we're all over the place the weekend after, the week after, the month after - because it was a blowout of a launch.

    1. Re:Spin The Bottle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Sony != Microsoft.

      Microsoft doesn't generally announce numbers when they're meeting expectations -- they save numbers for the quarterly results. They warn when they're performing under expectations or well over expectations.

  4. It smells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    failure. Especially when the sales couldn't reach that of the Xbox 1 in the same period.

  5. Am I missing something? by fwitness · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been to the malls and such every day this week, and a couple last week (but I'm definetly out before 9 a.m.) I've seen XBox360s everywhere. I went to Toy's R Us this morning for nephew gifts, and lo and behold, there were about 6 of each SKU on the shelf, just sitting there. I've seen them in Kay Bee, EB and god knows where else, I stopped noticing.

    I don't want one right now, but I can't understand why I keep hearing about the shortage continuing. I could easily buy 20 right now if I had the cash.

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    1. Re:Am I missing something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My wife saw a stack of them at target today, around 1pm. So yeah, they're no longer hard to find. At least in certain areas.

    2. Re:Am I missing something? by StasisCrazy · · Score: 1

      I've been to the malls and such every day this week, and a couple last week (but I'm definetly out before 9 a.m.) I've seen XBox360s everywhere. I went to Toy's R Us this morning for nephew gifts, and lo and behold, there were about 6 of each SKU on the shelf, just sitting there. I've seen them in Kay Bee, EB and god knows where else, I stopped noticing. I don't want one right now, but I can't understand why I keep hearing about the shortage continuing. I could easily buy 20 right now if I had the cash. That is odd... The Kay Bee around here got 4 of them for the release date... I have yet to see one for sale in the stores. I do see the accessories for them... Why is that? They seemed to have no problems mass producing those... Maybe they sent all the X-Box360's to wherever you are and all the accesories to wherever I am.

    3. Re:Am I missing something? by AlexMax2742 · · Score: 1
      Perhaps there are no shortages in your area, but if $600 ebay auctions is any indication, there are tons of people who want them and can't find them in their local stores. Saying "There is no shortage" in this case isn't very accurate, because there is.

      Also, people working at EB have been known to lie or make numbers up on the spot to get you off their backs, because, you know, they bave better things to do than answer questions that aren't from customers who are actually interested in purchasing one....and from the looks of your sig, you're not very interested in the 360, are you :).

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    4. Re:Am I missing something? by AlexMax2742 · · Score: 1

      The only one of your credentials that is relivent to the discussion is the one about managers in your area. And that's still only relivant to the area in which you live in.

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    5. Re:Am I missing something? by smaffei · · Score: 1

      I would love to know where some of you guys /gals live (please reply).

      Here in Philadelphia, PA, there are none to be found. I wonder if blue vs. red is actually "blue vs. red states"?

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    6. Re:Am I missing something? by fwitness · · Score: 1

      I'm close to Deptford, NJ. Just about 15 minutes away. There's a mall there, and the associated stores. Come on down. Buy 20 or so, then we can start saying they're out of stock again.

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    7. Re:Am I missing something? by smaffei · · Score: 1

      Thanks, you are the only person who replied.

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  6. Par for the Course by blueZhift · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Shortages like this almost always happen for any popular new console release. Even if Microsoft could have met demand, there are some good practical reasons not to.

    1. Product defects: You don't want to get too many consoles out into the channel only to bring them back if some real show stoppers are discovered in the wild. Once you're sure everything is okay, you can make minor tweaks for the subsequent production runs using what the first run taught you.

    2. No Dust Please: Too many consoles would mean some sitting on shelves gathering dust and people beginning to mumble about waiting for the first price drop. To the space conscious retailer, oversupply is probably worse than shortages.

    3. Games Make Money: Each console is sold at a loss. You make your money from game royalties. Right now the number of available games is not very high and there really aren't any must have system sellers to speak of. (The Dead or Alive 4 delay killed the Japanese launch.) A console shortage minimizes money lost while game publishers catch up and hopefully produce the killer games that sell systems. *Cough*Halo 3*Cough*

    Of course, I could be wrong about all of this, but in the end it does seem that something in short supply becomes all the more desirable, as long as it doesn't suck too badly.

    1. Re:Par for the Course by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 1

      *Cough*Halo 3*Cough*

      Halo3 is going to have to be one hell of a game if it's gonna sell systems. I mean, I'm sure that most people are gonna see Halo 3 and remember how great Halo 1 was and probably just buy it anyway, but I really can't see that being a market leader. Halo2 was quite disappointing. It takes more than a continuation of a story and being able to hold 2 weapons at once to sell a 3rd sequel.

      Bungie choked on marathon infinity. aside from the flechette, it was the exact same thing as Durandal.

      I'm prepared to be disappointed with most attepts at blockbuster games for the 360, and ps3, too.

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    2. Re:Par for the Course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When u mentioned halo 3 i just hard to reply. Halo 3 is getting released at the same time as the film. Which bill gates "accidently" let slip at a press conference to be the same time as the ps3 release. I think it went somethinglike this (i havent got the exact details im working from memory): Reporter: "Is the new Xbox being released early to try and get the jump on playstation?" Bill: "We are not worryed about the playstation, it will hit the wall that will be Halo 3"

    3. Re:Par for the Course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The film is getting released in 2007 at the earliest, so that debunks your theory.

      As for the ps3 "hitting the wall that is halo 3", if they do actually try to release it at ps3 launch, it'll be more like halo 3 hitting the wall that is ps3.

  7. Solution: Ship/route xbox from Japan to US by NoSuchGuy · · Score: 1

    The solution is to ship the consoles from Japan to the US.
    Because of slow start for xbox in Japan and massive discounts

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    1. Re:Solution: Ship/route xbox from Japan to US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Massive discounts isn't working either, Microsoft managed to sell a meager 8,623 units during the last week. A week in which saw other consoles jump drastically. Nintendo DS saw 408,770 sold, PSP 95,689, and even the PS2 saw improvements from the earlier week at 55,342

      Japan didn't want the first Xbox, I'd love to know what Microsoft thought had changed. Clearly nothing did.

    2. Re:Solution: Ship/route xbox from Japan to US by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "The solution is to ship the consoles from Japan to the US."

      Except they don't play US games. They'd have to open the box, open the case, swap chips, and then repackage it into a US box. It'd be easier to make a new 360 from scratch.

  8. It's also possible that Microsoft underestimated.. by Targon · · Score: 1

    It's possible that Microsoft didn't expect quite as much of a demand as they have seen, but didn't want to admit it. If you look at the game lineup for the 360, it's ok, but not amazing. There arn't any real "must have" games for it in my opinion. The compatability with the original Xbox titles isn't perfect, and it will take a while before all of the really great game titles will run properly on the 360.

    So, with this in mind, it's possible that Microsoft expected high demand for the holidays, but not quite as much as they found from the initial launch. No Microsoft exec would EVER say that they didn't expect their newest product to sell out on launch, but they might have thought it going into the launch.

    Production issues due to the power supply overheat problem may also play a role in the limited amounts of 360 consoles we have seen until recently.

  9. Post-code lottery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    In the UK, it seems that whether or not you can get a 360 is more or less a post-code (zip code, for our cousins across the Atlantic) lottery, particularly with the Premium Pack. I got my own Premium Pack from Argos of all places - a fully little catalogue store that most gamers will know as the place where their parents buy rubbish furniture and the chavs buy their imitation-gold rings. Not that Argos ever actually admitted to having them in stock - but after hearing a rumour that they had some about a week after launch (when Dixons had failed to honour my August pre-order), I phoned up to check.

    Initially, I got the brush-off from their customer-service person - a generic "sorry, none in stock, don't know when we'll get any" answer. However, when I asked very, very nicely if she could just check with my local depot (all Argos orders are ultimately handled by local depots), she came back to say that they actually had a couple of them in stock. Of course, I ordered one and promptly dropped a line to a lot of friends who'd also been trying to get them. The results were interesting. Central and South London had loads of units available, as did Newcastle. North London, Manchester and Edinburgh didn't seem to have any. Now, I'd have put this down to the perculiarities of a single retailer, if this picture hadn't been replicated by most other chains since then.

    Provided you get in before lunch time, you can generally pick up a 360 Premium from central London most days - it seems that a lot of shops have been getting small, but near-daily shipments since about the 10th. The same, I'm told, goes in a lot of the other locations where you could find the stores in the shops early. I've even seen Cores sitting on shelves neglected, as the initial panic-buying subsides and people realise what a bad deal the Core really is (I could have had a Core on launch day, but even then, I wasn't *that* desperate). However, I don't actually know anybody in Manchester (where I know a good half dozen people who are looking) who've managed to find even a Core for sale on the shelves.

    All highly bizarre. I honestly don't think it's deliberate - there's a lot of ill-will towards Microsoft building up in some of the regions and once Christmas has passed and people find themselves in the financial-hell that is January, I wouldn't be surprised if a few people gave up looking.

    For what it's worth, the system itself is more than worth the money. I've never seen so many vested interests in the gaming journalism and outright-fanboydom community positively willing a system to fail. In the longer term, I think they're going to be disappointed.

    1. Re:Post-code lottery by Fred+Or+Alive · · Score: 1

      Places like Argos can be good for bargins, partly becuase the "hardcore gamer" types probably just don't think about buying from them, they're more likley to go to more specialised shops, or online.

      I live in a small town near Birmingham, and the local ASDA and Argos sell Xbox 360 games, but I've not seen any consoles (I haven't checked tha local Argos's stock though), but frankly, my town's shops are crap.

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    2. Re:Post-code lottery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never seen so many vested interests in the gaming journalism and outright-fanboydom community positively willing a system to fail. In the longer term, I think they're going to be disappointed.

      Yeah, because not only will it fail - it might bring down the whole gaming industry with it!

  10. So if the shortage isn't intentional.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    it just comes-down to straight-up incompetence?

    Let me get this clarified..
    one of the biggest, most powerful corporations on the planet - with approximately four years to plan this event - is having production/distribution problems?

    Yup, incompetence. Case solved.

    Perhaps Mr Gates would be better off donating the money he'd lose on this generation to charity.
    TheN, he could leave the iNdustry to a real game coNsole compaNy.

    1. Re:So if the shortage isn't intentional.. by OK+PC · · Score: 1

      I want to say Nintendo but I don't know why....

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    2. Re:So if the shortage isn't intentional.. by mat1983 · · Score: 1

      I take it you dont know alot about Mr Gates then. When he dies his children only get 0.02 of his fortune (about 10 million dollars each). The rest goes to charity.

    3. Re:So if the shortage isn't intentional.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know plenty about Mr. Gates. He already gives plenty to charity, and I'm suggesting this:
      instead of throwing-away an additional $4 billion, why not give it to another AIDS organization?

  11. Hurry by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 1

    Seeing as Sony have bought the main stand for CES2006 which starts on January 5th, so it's pretty blatant that they are going to be releasing details on the PS3. If I was microsoft I'd be trying as hard as I could to get 360's on shelves before then, because as soon as people know when that console is coming (if it is anytime soon) microsoft will immeadiately start losing customers, people will either say "i'll wait for the ps3" or "i'll wait and see which is better"

    1. Re:Hurry by smaffei · · Score: 1

      I don't think M$ has too much to worry about. In fact, I would be really surprised if PS3 makes it out of the gate in the USA by spring time. There has been little word from Sony and developers (IGNs PS3 site has been pretty stale lately).

      I think CES will go like this...

      1. Sony has playable demos for the PS3
      2. Sony will tout all of the great features of the PS3.
      3. PS3 will be AMAZING and wow everyone.
      4. PS3 will come in around $400 (I think $500 will be too much), the feature set will be trimmed to get there. Blu-Ray will remain.
      5. Sony announces release in Japan for spring, summer for the USA, fall for Europe.

      I know these are guesses, but let's see how close I can come...

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  12. Setting the bar to high? by Ashley+Bowers · · Score: 0

    I think that if Microsoft is in any way dissappointed with it's sales figues for the 360 then they are crazy. It is no doubt one of the hottest selling items for sale in the world and noone can keep enough of them on the shelves. Last look on ebay for the Xbox 360 they were going for as much as $900 dollars for the stripped down version. I had to pre order mine for my daughter and sure am glad I did since I went to three stores yesterday looking for another for myself and they were all sold out!

  13. Re:It's also possible that Microsoft underestimate by Phisbut · · Score: 1
    It's possible that Microsoft didn't expect quite as much of a demand as they have seen, but didn't want to admit it.

    Maybe... but if Microsoft says they expect to sell 3 million hardware units in 90 days, then they should at least produce 3 million hardware units in about 60 days... They somehow seem to expect selling more units than they can make.

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  14. "...bad press everywhere including mainstream media"

    Are you kidding me? Both on Launch day and last Sunday when Best Buys recieved another huge shipment every single channel was running a positive story on the Xbox. Pretty much every BB in my state had all 70 or so 360's claimed about 15 hours prior to opening.

    I don't know if the shortage was deliberate, but it worked. The buzz around this system is completely unparalleled. People were waiting in line for 20 hours a month after launch date just to get one. That is unbelievable.

    1. Re:what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People were waiting in line for 20 hours a month after launch date just to get one.

      That's because no other console has had artificial shortages. People consider the PSP launch to be disappointing in sales yet it sold over 50% more in one day than the 360 has in the month since the launch.

      That is unbelievable.

      No, it's a joke. And stop posting the same crap in the comments for every 360 story. Stupid Microsoft astroturfer.

  15. Bad goal-setting by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

    FTS:"Despite that level of success, Microsoft is still disappointed with production levels and sales."

    If you meet your goals, but are disappointed with your sales... that means your goals are too low.

    Goals should be set at a level where you aren't diappointed with your results when you attain them.

    Of course, from a PR perspective, you've got to set goals that you can't miss -- otherwise you're a goat to the public. Your future sales, as well as your market cap, will reflect poor performance.

    What MS should be saying, is that they are meeting their expectations, but sales are falling short of their real targets (their goals).

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  16. N-Gage of course! by Leninix · · Score: 1

    Well, you're right, long live Nokia's N-Gage [qd]!

  17. Re:It's also possible that Microsoft underestimate by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 0

    Its also possible that monkeys could fly straight outta my arse...but not likely... gerbils maybe, but that's another story.

    The real reason is due to super low CPU yields. They had to fly their initial U.S. shipment in on a Boeing because of how far the low yields put them behind the 8-ball.

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