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First Experimental Success of a Superfluid
J writes "Researchers at Rice University have created and observed a state of quantum superfluidity. Cooled to temperatures near absolute zero, fermions overcome their natural tendency to repel one another. These half-spin particles become dominated by the Strong force and couple up in pairs that behave as one particle. Major benefits to matter in a superfluid state include superconductivity, a state where electrons would flow freely with no resistance, thus preserving the most amount of electrical charge during passage and providing the ability to save billions of dollars in 'lost electricity'. Although the conditions set for this experiment are very unlikely to be able to exist outside of a laboratory, we now know that superfluidity is a concept that can exist. Future research in this topic is assumed to be finding a material that exists in a superfluid state at room temperature."
I read the article.
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I read it well.
But on the side (right side) there was a related news story thing and within one of the links it stated,
"(June 25, 2005) -- MIT scientists have brought a supercool end to a heated race among physicists: They have become the first to create a new type of matter, a gas of atoms that shows high-temperature superfluidity.
So, being curious, I clicked the link and oddly enough, it basically stated the same exact stuff. The difference, though? It said MIT did it.
Who are the actual people who did this? Did MIT do it first and Rice got the credits? Am I mis-reading both articles and they're completely different?
TFA: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/12/0512
MIT Article: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/06/0506
News for nerds. Stuff about matters?
I read that and was thinking "Suprafluid", and I was all "Damn I can make a suprafluid by boiling a pot of water".
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
I, myself, happen to been in a state of superfluidity, right now. It's a nimble act to maintain, taking in just the right amount of Cognac.
How is this different from a Bose-Einstein condensate?
Fermions are the group of particles that include leptons (the family that includes electrons and neutrinos), and hadrons (the family that is composed of quarks--makes up nucleons like protons and neutrons). They follow the Pauli Exclusion principle, which states that no two particles can have the same quantum numbers. This article states that it gets around the Pauli Exclusion principle because the particles "link up" by opposite spins. It doesn't exactly say how that occurs. What particles are we talking about? Electrons, protons, or neutrons, or a composite of particles?
I'm not exactly sure how a Bose-Einstein condensate creates a single quantum state, but is this more of the same?
"Scientists in Antarctica discover superfluid at room temperature"
I admit I didn't read the article, but superfluidity itself isn't really new. I can easily produce superfluid He by adiabatic cooling... I think the phase transition happens at 3.something K.
Major benefits to matter in a superfluid state include superconductivity, a state where electrons would flow freely with no resistance, thus preserving the most amount of electrical charge during passage and providing the ability to save billions of dollars in 'lost electricity'.
That does, of course, depend on finding a way of cooling the conductor to near absolute zero along it's entire length, using less energy than would be lost during transmission on a normal cable. In other words, it's a pretty ridiculous suggestion
May the Strong force be with you.
"Future research in this topic is assumed to be finding a material that exists in a superfluid state at room temperature." Room temperature superfluidity has already been achieved by our government years ago. It's called inflational currency. Of course, funding is the real "superfluid" we're after.
"... Future research in this topic is assumed to be finding a material that exists in a superfluid state at room temperature." Yeah right. And headlines the same year: 1. Duke Nukem Forever released. 2. Bill Gates turns M$ open source. 3. Table-top cold fusion powerstations in production. Can't wait, and will be anxiously holding my breath!
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- Superfluidity isnt new, it's been around for 50+ years.
- Superfluidity is only tangentially related to superconductivity.
- Superfluidity is not particularly useful in and of itself.
- Superfluidity among ferminons *is* new and interesting to physics geeks.
As to its applications to daiily life, well, unlikely in the short run.Science Daily are a bunch of 'tards who do no fact checking. It was MIT who discovered it, but it wasn't recently.
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Wikipedia knows.
My guess is that some discovery occurred, but the reporters who have only the vaguest understanding of science, didn't understand it.
In the spirit of Christmas, I'll forgive the mistake today. As long as they take care of the problem by tomorrow.
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Superfluid materials are well-known; the first example, the boson helium-4, was discovered in 1937. The superfluidity of helium-3, a fermion, was shown to be a superfluid in the 1970s.
Superfluidity occurs when particles pair up (half spin-up and half spin-down) to produce a material without viscosity, in a manner analogous to that of the electron Cooper pairs of superconductivity. The novelty here is that superfluidity has been shown to occur in particle populations in which there is an unequal number of spin-up and spin-down particles, and the discovery of a phase change in which "when unpaired spin-up atoms rose above 10 percent of the total sample, the unpaired loners were suddenly expelled, leaving a core of superfluid pairs surrounded by a shell of excess spin-up atoms" (from TFA).
Helium in superfluidic state has been known for a long time, and studied quite extensively. So, superfluidity is not the issue here.
This achievement, it seems to me, is about getting superfluidity in a bunch of fermions (such as electrons, or, in this case, 'fermionic' lithium-6), and that too in a system in which the up-spins are not the same as the 'down-spins'.
Well to the people who said 'Superfluidity is old news' It is true superfluidity has been around for many years (discovered by Pyotr Leonidovich Kapitsa, John F. Allen, and Don Misener in 1937). However the 'study of superfluidity' (also known as Quantum hydrodynamics) is a recent advancement. (and a very important one I might add)
For those wondering about its 'practical uses', Superfluidity not only unleashes possibilities for new technologies dealing with energy and heat transfer (superconductivity), it also brings us another step closer to developing a better means of energy production. (Check out the link below for more details)
For those of you with a background in atomic physics; If some how (using further experimentation in Superfluidity of helium) we can proove the possibility of electrons in quantum states 'lower' than n=1 (i.e. n=1/2, 1/4 etc) the amount of energy we can produce using hydrogen would increase by almost 70% compared to our present technology (greater than the amount produced by nuclear means) This in turn means that the race for nuclear energy going on in the east (russia, iran, cuba, north korea, china, india etc.) would end.
For more information on the possibility and importance of fractional primary quantum numbers click here.
...describing result here.
Whatever.
Just this past spring, I conducted a blind superfluids test at work with help from eleven volunteer colleagues. Jamaica Blue Mountain trounced Hawaiian Kona, 64/36 respectively among participants.
I didn't RTFM or TFB, but I RTFH, and was forced to call bullshit right there.
(If TFA was referring to the actual brewing, well obviously that succeded, being a prerequisit to our comparitive analysis).
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"Major benefits to matter in a superfluid state include superconductivity, a state where electrons would flow freely with no resistance, thus preserving the most amount of electrical charge during passage and providing the ability to save billions of dollars in 'lost electricity'."
And how much electricity does it take to keep this stuff at absolute zero? Just curious, because, y'know, there'd have to be an aweful lot of 'lost energy' gained to make up for the drain that process creates.
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Randall Mills is a medical doctor and well known crackpot who has been bilking investors out of their money for years now with his "hydrino" theory, which rests on the idea that there are energy states in the atom lower than the ground state (as the above poster mentioned). The only problem is that no such states actually exist as far as all experiments are concerned, except mysteriously Mills' own experiments, which no one has ever reproduced and the details of which he refuses to release. His hydrino theory itself is based on his "Grand Unified Theory of Classical Quantum Mechanics", found in his 1200-page self-published book, which purports to unify electromagnetism, gravity, Newtonian mechanics, general relativity, and quantum theory.
+4 Informative, my ass.
(And to address another point, I cannot think of any "new technologies" in "energy and heat transfer" that have been "unleashed" by superfluidity.)
Future research in this topic is assumed to be finding a material that exists in a superfluid state at room temperature.
They will get right on that after they're done creating a room temperature superconductor, don't worry about it.
Major benefits to matter in a superfluid state include superconductivity, a state where electrons would flow freely with no resistance
Thus fulfilling my dream of plugging an extension cord into itself.
I saw "superfluid" in the title, and I was thinking like: Everclear!!!
The Irish have known about superfluids for centuries we just refer to them by different names. There's Ale, Lager, Stout and some consider Pilsner a superfuild but not me personally. Some superfuilds can be entangled into my personal favorite, the Black and Tan. It's nice to see the rest of the world catching up in this fascinating science. I plan to do a little personal research at the corner lab/pub shortly.
There is no "strong force" involved in this; "strongly interacting" in this context just means that the particles are interacting a lot.
This is going to make some sweet audiophile grade speaker cables though. Now I just have to figure out the cash-value of my soul so I can cut a check to MonsterCable.
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Thanks for clarifying that. There wasn't enough room in the article title to mention "fermionic", and besides, we all know that fully factual stories always get rejected. :P
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Sooo lemme get this straight.. 'basically' they made these things get together & dance with music?
Whyyy doesn't this work with bitches? :(
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We're talking breaking the 200db barrier, here!
That's progress!
I have already observed a superfluid. My cat often is in a state of superfluid.
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So that explains why the background of the Universe is 3deg Kelvin. To keep stuff like this from happening. And now we had to go and mess with it!
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bang" to go with that super fluid...
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