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Paul Allen the 'Accidental Zillionaire'

An anonymous reader writes "The Sydney Morning Herald has an interesting story about Paul Allen, "the accidental zillionaire". Allen is the owner of the world's biggest private yacht and a huge landowner in the Seattle area in addition to his traditional accolades of helping to found Microsoft along with several other companies and foundations."

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  1. What is a zillionaire? by ytr · · Score: 4, Funny

    millionaire - so common, the hoi polloi
    billionaire - fewer, somewhat dodgy
    trillionaire - hmmm tricky, size of the US deficit .....
    zillionaire - more money than that?

    1. Re:What is a zillionaire? by ciroknight · · Score: 4, Insightful

      zillionaire - more money than what?

      Jeebus.

      Anyways, I would hardly call it "accidential". It wasn't any accident that Microsoft got to license their OS to the IBM (and compatible) machines, it was cold and calculated. While they might not have known they'd end up being some of the richest people to have ever lived, they had to have known that they were never going to have to worry about money again in their lives.

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    2. Re:What is a zillionaire? by alicenextdoor · · Score: 5, Funny
      Marital status: Single
      Worth: $US21 billion, seventh richest person in the world, says Forbes Magazine, 2005

      A clear case of too many LAN parties...

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    3. Re:What is a zillionaire? by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Anyways, I would hardly call it "accidential". It wasn't any accident that Microsoft got to license their OS to the IBM (and compatible) machines, it was cold and calculated. While they might not have known they'd end up being some of the richest people to have ever lived, they had to have known that they were never going to have to worry about money again in their lives.

      Since early 1980's? Probably they knew that. But in early 1970's, Allen and Gates were just a couple of nerdy students, sharing a belief that the future is in household computers. While in that age everyone else shared a belief that a "computer" is meant to be maintained and operated only by specially trained staff wearing laboratory overalls. Yes, their deal with IBM was no accident but in order to get that deal, they had to establish their position in the 8-bit personal computing world - writing BASIC for Altair and Apple, and lot of stuff for CP/M (originally that was the IBM's system of choice for their first PC). That was largely an accident - lots of companies active in the 8-bit market (such as Altair or Digital Research, makers of the CP/M) simply didn't make it in 1980's.

    4. Re:What is a zillionaire? by hendersj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, I don't know that I'd call it accidental, but there was a rather significant luck factor involved; if Gary Kildall had pursued the opportunity (and there are several stories about why he didn't - ranging from opting to fly his plane instead of meet with IBM to refusing to sign an NDA; according to Gordon Eubanks, Kildall just wasn't interested in porting CP/M to the 8088 processor). If Seattle Computer Products hadn't sold QDOS to MicroSoft, things also would have been pretty different.

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    5. Re:What is a zillionaire? by ceeam · · Score: 2, Informative

      Since early 1980's? Probably they knew that. But in early 1970's, Allen and Gates were just a couple of nerdy students, sharing a belief that the future is in household computers.

      And I guess having very rich parents with "connections" helps too.

    6. Re:What is a zillionaire? by aussie_a · · Score: 2, Funny

      It depends if you're talking American zillions or real zillions. Much like with billionaires, Americans like to have a fairly low bar (comparitively speaking of course) for zillionaires.

    7. Re:What is a zillionaire? by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Gates' father's influence on Microsoft can't be ignored. He taught his son a healthy respect for the law. That is, always stay within the letter of the law but feel free to bend it as much as possible and if you do feel the desire to break it, try to find a good patsy to hide behind. I can remember having a long argument with a coworker about Microsoft not paying any taxes. His opinion was that Microsoft is following the letter of the law and therefore is doing nothing wrong. My opinion was that Microsoft is just sponging off the community by refusing to pay any taxes, even if it means paying more for tax lawyers than they would have to pay in taxes if they weren't so set on not paying taxes. And the fact that they force their employees to accept stock which has absolutely no value so they can avoid taxes, implicating every one of them in their immoral actions is most deplorable.

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    8. Re:What is a zillionaire? by Gorshkov · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While they might not have known they'd end up being some of the richest people to have ever lived, they had to have known that they were never going to have to worry about money again in their lives.

      Hardly. IBM, when they came out with the original PC, estimated that total sales for the PC would be in the neighbourhood of about 250,000 for the life of the product. Back then, IBM worked on 5-10 year product cycles.

      If anything, at their most optimistic, they probably hoped it would settle their student loans.

    9. Re:What is a zillionaire? by sheridan3003 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Chance favors the prepared mind.

      They were lucky, but they also had some idea of what they were getting into. Taking advantage of an opportunity means recognizing that you have an opportunity to take advantage of.

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  3. He did well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Investing in the right company means he did something right.. That also means that he was not a rich man by accident.

    Still I wonder why so many geeks are online on x-mas. Oh wait, I am too.

    NO CARRIER

  4. His hompage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    http://www.paulallen.com/

    It runs on IIS. What are the odds?

    1. Re:His hompage by oztiks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Doesnt account for the fact the site was written in Dreamweaver and not Frontpage.

      Badly mind you, the footer is full of  's .... nasty

    2. Re:His hompage by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Even worse, I cannot use the back-button in IE. It's an ego-webpage-trap.

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  5. So... by AgentX24 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does that make the rest of us accidental nillionaires?

    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm a multi-nillionaire. Now excuse me, sir, while I firmly stick my nose up in the air.

  6. Allen bought Washington state referendum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Nader/CutCorpWel fare_Nader.html

    Hijacking local democracy

    Perhaps nothing illustrates the ruthlessness and shameless power plays of the corporate welfare kings than their extortionate demands for state and local subsidies on threat of picking up and moving elsewhere.

    And no case illustrates the hijacking of democratic procedures more clearly than billionaire Paul Allen's buying of an especially-made-for-Allen Washington state referendum to approve $300 million in public subsidies to build a football stadium for his Seattle Seahawks. Mega-billionaire Allen, co-founder of Microsoft with Bill Gates and one of the richest men in the world, bought the referendum both literally and figuratively.

    In a stunningly brazen maneuver, he paid the state of Washington for the costs of running the special referendum election in June 1997. Although later challenged as a violation of the state's constitution, the state Supreme Court upheld the private financing of the election. But even the Supreme Court majority which upheld the constitutionality of the election purchase blanched at its political ramifications. "Troubling questions may arise, such as whether any wealthy entity could persuade the legislature to place a measure on the ballot provided the costs of the election were paid," wrote Justice Barbara Madsen for the majority.

    Having paid for the issue to get on the ballot, Allen then waged a $6.3 million campaign-the most expensive in Washington state history-to convince voters to support the $300 million public subsidy to the stadium. He devoted $2.3 million to radio and TV ads. In total, Allen outspent opponents of the referendum by a 42-to-1 margin.

    Allen's investment proved just enough: Washington voters, initially opposed by overwhelming numbers to the idea of public funding for the stadium, approved the referendum with a 51 percent majority.

  7. Re:largest yacht by blosphere · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, The largest yatch is owned by the Sheik Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, the Crown Prince of Dubai, the name is 'Platinum'

    Allen's boat was designed by the same company btw.

    I do think he has the biggest yatch in US

    Linky. http://www.bostonboating.com/platinum.htm
  8. Achievement list... by Chaffar · · Score: 4, Funny
    Born: January 21, 1953, Seattle, Washington 1975: Co-founds Microsoft Corporation with Bill Gates 1983: Develops Hodgkin's disease
    So this man is responsible for the development of Microsoft AND Hodgkin's disease? The man's the devil himself :0!
  9. Re:FYI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Northwest franchises and real estate: Seattle Seahawks NFL football (First and Goal, Stadium construction company, includes all proceeds from new stadium, exhibition hall, and related revenues); Portland Trailblazers NBA basketball (Rose Garden Arena); South Lake Union Seaport Park redevelopment; Formal Naval Reserve Base (a 12 acre, $35 million park); Lake Union (223,000 square feet total ownership, $400 million total development costs so far); Quendall Landing in Renton (68 acres mixed business and residential real estate, $500 million to develop so far); Experience Music Project; Cinerama; Union Station & surrounding real estate; and leases extensive space at Smith Tower. International real estate: The Hospital--an Art space in Camden, England. Radio: KEXP (Seattle, non-commercial, underwriting agreement with Univ. of Washington); OneOnOne Sports (radio syndication network, also owns three commercial radio stations in Chicago); and two commercial radio stations in Portland. Charity and other organizations: Clear Blue sky--Production company for Indy films; The Paul G. Allen Foundation for Medical Research; The Allen Foundation for the Arts; The Allen Foundation for Music; The Paul G. Allen Forest Protection Foundation; and The Paul G. Allen Virtual Education Foundation. Cash: $28 billion in assets; $1.04 billion in public funds. Investments through Vulcan Ventures (Full or partial ownership): 800.com; Allegiance Telecom Inc.; Aluentive; Apex Learning; ARI Network Services; BOPS; Caspian Networks; Charter Communications; click2learn.com; Colorado Microdisplay; Command Audio; Cyber Source; Dick's Clothing and Sporting Goods; Diego Broadband Inc.; Dreamworks SKG; Drugstore.com; e-Media, LLC; e-Steel; Edison Schools; Encryptix, Inc.; eStyle, Inc.; Fantasma Networks; Fatbrain.com; Genomix; Go2Net Inc.; HarvardNet Inc.; Health Answers Inc.; High Speed Access Corp.; IFILM; imandi.com; Installations Inc.; inviso; iVast; IVT; Kestrel Solutions; LiquidAudio Inc. Magis Networks; Metricom Inc.; myplay Inc.; NetSchools Corp.; Northpoint Communications; oncology.com; OnePage Inc.; Oxygen Media; Paraform Inc.; RCN Corportation; Replay TV Inc.; RioPort Inc.; Rocket Network Inc. Sandbox.com; ScienceMedia; Sharewave Inc.; Stamps.com; Structural GenomiX; TechTV; Terra Stor; The Sporting News; Transmeta; Triscend Corporation; Tularik Inc.; USA Networks Inc.; Versata Inc.; Vulcan Northwest Inc.; Vulcan Ventures Inc.; Wavetrace; Wink Comm; and Xcyte Therapies.

  10. Re:FYI by ian_mackereth · · Score: 2, Funny
    It's an Australian paper, so that's not a football franchise, it's a gridiron team.

    And we don't care.

  11. Correction by word+munger · · Score: 2, Informative

    Allen and Gates went to the Lakeside School, not the nonexistent Lakewood School. Whatever.

  12. IBM didn't make a difference; Compaq did by tomcres · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Really, it doesn't matter whether IBM picked up on DOS, CP/M, or something else. IBM was a business machine, almost never found in homes. Why would you use it at home? There were cheaper computers better suited for home applications available from Commodore, Atari, and Apple (OK, Apple wasn't all that cheap, but still cheaper than IBM at the time).

    What really made the PC ubiquitously popular was Compaq's reverse-engineering of the IBM BIOS. This meant that you no longer had to pay top dollar for something that was truly IBM compatible. This, coupled with the adoption of the ISA bus by all of the PC manufacturers, is what made the PC the king of the hill. All of a sudden, Intel (and others) had a real incentive to make faster, more capable CPUs (because IBM wasn't the only game in town anymore for the x86), and because of standards like the ISA bus, card manufacturers had a broader audience to develop things like SoundBlaster. It was because of this opening up of the hardware to virtually anyone that the PC became popular. It had absolutely nothing to do with Microsoft or DOS. Remember, also, that Microsoft also produced the BASIC in every single Commodore 8-bit computer from the PET through the 128, and so they made money on the millions of those sold, in addition to MS-DOS/PC-DOS.

    1. Re:IBM didn't make a difference; Compaq did by MetaKey · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, IBM published the BIOS openly. You could purchase it directly from IBM for $60. It arrived in a nice 3 ring binder. It was very well documented and the actual assembler source code was included. I now deeply regret having disposed of my copy - probably 20 years ago...

    2. Re:IBM didn't make a difference; Compaq did by ignavus · · Score: 2, Informative

      "What really made the PC ubiquitously popular was Compaq's reverse-engineering of the IBM BIOS."

      Um, wasn't it *Phoenix Technologies* that reverse engineered the IBM BIOS, i.e. produced an IBM-compatible BIOS so that other manufacturers could make IBM clones?

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  13. He's a Virus Developer! I knew it! by oztiks · · Score: 3, Funny

    1983: Develops Hodgkin's disease and leaves Microsoft. Makes full recovery

    Ya think that when writing an artical where a portion of the audience are going to be geeks and/or programmers they wouldnt use words like "develops" to describe what happened to him, rather "contracting" a virus would sound more appropriate. It makes him sound like he wrote the Hodgkin's virus in his multi-zillion dallor basement.

    Perhaps, Insted of "Makes full recovery" it should read "Was able to restore Paul Allen from tape backup"

    1. Re:He's a Virus Developer! I knew it! by VP · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hodgkin's disease is not a viral infection, it is a type of cancer...

  14. Re:Interesting by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have you ever read Bill Gates' Open Letter to Hobbyists?

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  15. Re:largest yacht by JeremyALogan · · Score: 2, Informative
    Here's a link to a page with lots and lots of pictures of Paul's boat, "Octopus" (outside pics only). If you poke around the site a bit you can also find a page of pictures for the "Platinum" as well as several other ships that are larger than Octopus.

    Some other interesting things that apparently came with it:
    • Tender - 63ft "Man of War"
    • Submarine - Nomad 1000 (world's first luxury submarine)
    • Helicopter - Sirkorsky S76
  16. Re:Maybe it's a financial decision? by ccmay · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I think prenuptials and such are pathetic. If you don't love a woman enough to risk losing some money to her, especially if she's raising your kids, then you just shouldn't get married.

    -ccm

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  17. Interesting, that the refer to paul as the ... by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    accidental. He actually wrote a major portion of the initial code, whereas BG wrote very little of it.
    IIRC, It was IBM that approached them (the movie was incorrect).
    In addition, it took several employees to talk BG into not moving to Unix from Dos (DOS numbers were awesome, where MS xenix was going nowhere).
    Paul went on to develop a number of companies and technologies, but BG stayed with just one.
    In addition, BG's thing has been to work with a monopoly that simply steals from others, while Paul develop new techs.

    Offhand, I would call BG more the accidental, and Paul the brilliant one.

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  18. Re:Interesting by metlin · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wow.

    Only on Slashdot would you have a businessman of a technology company being compared to a pimp, a smuggler and a murderer.

    What the hell are you talking about?! How many people has Microsoft (or Bill Gates) killed? Does he own a freakin' whorehouse or a casino? The only thing he has done is conduct a business the way every business is conducted - to maximize profit.

    Microsoft is a business entity. They are a corporation. Like every other corporation out there, their purpose is to enhance the shareholder value, period. That does not make them any more or less evil. They just are that way. And they are giving back to society, a lot more than most companies ever have.

    You know something? I would *much* rather have Microsoft profit in billions and spend money towards helping something more important than code, like AIDS or Cancer, than feel bad for a two penny company that could not take care of itself. Business is like the animal kingdom, there are predators and preys and it is not good or evil, merely the survival of the fittest.

    If you have a good idea and good management, you can surivive. Look at Google, they are the perfect example.

    Stop making ridiculous comparisons. While Microsoft maybe a ruthless business, they are contributing a whole lot to society. I would much rather have that. And you, my good sir, what have you done to the well being of the society lately? Helped cure anything?

    Bloody trolls.

  19. Re:So he's single? Why is that? by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Paul Allen is indeed a homosexual. As is Charles Simonyi. (Not a joke.) Geez, I thought this had been common knowledge for about a million years.

  20. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft has broken the law and abused their monopoly position. They have been found guilty of this by the courts. So they have not just done what a company is supposed to do, they have seriously broken the law. And as anybody with a bit of understanding of our economic system knows, abusing a monopoly is about the most harmful there is to the economy. Microsoft has hindered a lot of progress and stopped many innovative companies (illegally).

    It is hard to measure white-collar crime and corruption in human lives, but I think society in general underestimate the harm these crimes do.

  21. Allen's Helicopter by wk633 · · Score: 3, Funny

    A few years ago Paul Allen parked his ship at Santa Barbara for a week. He spent his evenings flying around over the city in his helicopter. Fucking annoying noise. If he's got that much money, why doesn't he buy Blue Thunder?

  22. But don't you forget... by viksit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    that Paul Allen and SpaceshipOne might be just whats needed for privatized space flights to (no pun intended) take off. Why does everyone forget the good stuff like this which Allen's done?

    And the good thing is, he funds ventures after deciding "if its something that he would love". I call that a rather smart way of judging what (not) to fund. Granted, that this may at times bump up pet projects when compared to something with a larger impact - but this is needed too! After all, we do have the 2 richest foundations in the world dealing with those issues (Gates and Grove).

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  23. Paul Allen:Seattle::Thomas/Bruce Wayne:Gotham? by Aaron+England · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is Paul Allen to Seattle as Thomas and Bruce Wayne were to Gotham City?

    Evidence?

    Has a huge house, more of a compound really.
    Isn't married.
    He has lots of fast cars.
    One of the biggest philanthropists in America.
    Funded medical research, mapping the human brain at the cellular level.
    [Funded] the Experience Music project and the Science Fiction museum.
    Art collection...rumoured to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
    Donated $20 million to develop a park which would have stretched from the downtown area to Lake Union.
    Converting a nondescript belt of warehouses and commercial buildings into a biotech hub, while redeveloping environmentally friendly housing, and a waterfront park.

    Now that we have evidence that he plays the role of philantropist-playboy by day can anyone pony-up the evidence that he lives the double life and is a crime-fighter by night?

  24. Re:Maybe it's a financial decision? by Osty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think prenuptials and such are pathetic. If you don't love a woman enough to risk losing some money to her, especially if she's raising your kids, then you just shouldn't get married.

    Are you a woman? Because there's no benefit to a man in marriage. Besides, with > 50% of all marriages ending in divorce these days, a pre-nup is simply good preparation. Rather than accepting, "If you loved me, you wouldn't ask me to sign a pre-nup," turn it around on her and say, "If you loved me, you'd want to sign a pre-nup," instead.

    As for not "[loving] a woman enough to risk losing some money," what the hell is wrong with you? There's absolutely nothing wrong with spending money on a woman (within limits of course, though those limits relax a bit once she's a wife rather than a girlfriend), but that doesn't mean you should be willing to give up half or more of your worth (or worse, your potential worth). Consider it this way: A man gets nothing concrete out of a marriage (assuming the "average" man who is making a living for himself, not some freeloader who marries a rich wife). There are some benefits, but you're much less likely to find a woman today who will follow the three-Fs: feed me, fuck me, and fold my laundry. Women, on the other hand, stand to gain a lot. Assuming she plays her cards right (again, staying away from the freeloading losers), she can basically get a free ride, quit her job (assuming she had one in the first place), bloat up, cut her hair, and not have to do one lick of work around the house (that's what maids are for!). And a couple years into the marriage, when she gets bored, she can up and leave and take half or more of your stuff ("or more" meaning any vaginamony money she's "entitled" to, as well as any child support if you were stupid enough to get a kid on her).

    You think marriage is about love? Wake up, buddy! Maybe you're worth nothing, with no potential earning capacity either. Go ahead, get married. Those of us trying to make something of ourselves know better. Beyond that, a few simple rules will keep you safe:

    • No marrying until you're at least 25, and preferably older. That goes both parties. She may be the most mature 19 year old you've ever known, but she's still a 19 year old. She hasn't yet developed who she really is yet. Do you want to take a chance that she'll change her mind in a couple years and take your money?
    • Get a pre-nup. I don't care if you have no money now. If you have the capability to earn money in the future, or you have a decent inheritance that may come your way, or you think you might win the lottery, get a pre-nup.
    • Keep separate accounts. It's fine to have a shared account, but you should also have his/hers accounts. That's money that's just yours, for your use only. Remember, she's basically going to rule the shared account, so if you ever want to make any purchasing decisions of your own it's best to keep some money separate.
    • If you're going to have kids (and I'd seriously suggest you don't, but some people just can't help themselves), you must be married a MINIMUM of five years. If you can last five years, there's a good chance your marriage will last longer. If you can't last five years, you have no business bringing a child into the world. You owe it to that potential life to make sure you're stable in your relationship before giving birth to another living, breathing human being.

    But then, hey, what do I know? I'm not married. I don't have those blinders on my eyes yet ...

  25. Altruism by RgrRbbt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I seem to remember reading that Bill Gates only started his philanthopic spree when his mom confronted him about his vast wealth and insisted he donate much of it to charitable causes. (I hope I'm not getting my facts wrong here.)

    Paul Allen has given a lot of money to medical research, but being ill seems to have been the impetus for that.

    Both men also have their name slapped on many of the non-profit projects to which they donate.

    I'm not saying this makes their contributations any less important. But it does seem to make the spirit of the donations a little less impressive, since the men likely would not have been so generous without such "external" pressures.

    Does anyone agree or am I being too idealistic to hope for true altruism?

  26. Re:Maybe it's a financial decision? by honkycat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow, whatever has happened to make you so bitter, I'm sorry man. Believe it or not, not everyone shares your materialistic, misogynistic view of the world. You would do well to learn how to look at things from a perspective other than your own.

    You have made a choice -- you find that the single, childless lifestyle suits you. Great. You know what? It doesn't suit everyone. Some of us tried it and found that, despite the benefits it may afford, we weren't happy. Having another person involved in your life can (gasp) enrich it in ways that toys and cars just can't.

    I actually agree with you on a lot, it seems. Getting married too young is usually a big mistake. Children should be born into a stable, supportive situation (whether or not it's a marriage). Fair prenups are a good thing.

    On that last point -- I don't at all share your view that marriage is a universally a windfall for the woman and a burden for the man and that the purpose of the prenup is to protect his assets from being stolen. At least, it should not be. When you get into a marriage, you're forming an agreement that (in most cases) is going to set up a partnership to build and support a family. One aspect of that is that someone is likely going to have to forego a financially motivated career in order to maintain the household and rear the children. The agreement is normally that the one who doesn't give up that career compensates for this by supporting the other partner. That is absolutely fair and reasonable.

    If the marriage doesn't survive, it's hardly unreasonable to share some portion of the assets and/or demand that the partner who maintained his/her career at least temporarily help support the homemaking partner. The assets belong to the family, regardless of whose name was on the paycheck that paid for them. Maintaining a home/raising children is a non-trivial contribution to the family's well-being.

    A prenup that specifies exactly what the agreement is with respect to these sorts of things is, IMO, a good thing. It protects both partners and, since it's drawn up when everyone is on good terms, can be a fairer agreement. If you can't get together with your spouse-to-be and come to a reasonable, honest agreement about the terms, that's not going to be the biggest problem in your marriage.

  27. Microsoft vs. Wal-Mart by wk633 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Let's keep the evil in perspective:

    From: http://www.walmartmovie.com/facts.php/

    A WAL-MART Worker may donate money from their paycheck to the CRITICAL NEED FUND, a program to aid other employees in times of crisis, like a fire or tornado.
    In 2004, WAL-MART Employees gave OVER $5 MILLION to help fellow workers. The Walton Family gave $6,000

    The WALTON FAMILY Has Given LESS THAN 1% of Their Wealth to Charity. Bill Gates has given 58%

  28. Re:Maybe it's a financial decision? by beeplet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If marriage is not about money, why do women compare engagement rings?

    I don't know - I told my fiance not to buy me an engagement ring. There are women to whom ostentatious displays of wealth are not the most important thing. If you are only willing to look, you would find them.

    And let's not forget the benefits of being single. Completely aside from not being tied to any single woman, my money is my own to spend.

    This I find a kind of selfish observation. The value of money is in its use, and lots of people clearly feel that using their money to raise a family is money well spent. If you don't feel that way, that's ok, but there's no reason to imply that one choice is better than the other.

    You also seem to underestimate the number of working wives and mothers - I hardly know anyone who was a stay-at-home mom. The stereotypical housewife arrangement from the 50s was a bad idea all around, not least for all the smart, educated women who gave up any hope of a career to become mothers. (That includes both my grandmothers, who had postgraduate degrees in science and later became unhappy housewives.) Being a full-time-parent is also a valid choice, but the emphasis is on the word choice - both partners need to agree that it's what they want to do.

    Anyway, I agree with your basic point that prenups are a good idea, mostly because it is always a good idea to have a clear backup plan. My own parents had a messy and angry divorce, and I feel that anything to smooth the way would have been a good thing. What I don't agree with is that marriage itself is not a good value for the money.