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RIAA Sets Their Sights on Russia

Conor Turton writes to tell us that the RIAA has set their sights on Russia for their newest push into anti-piracy. A recent bill was sponsored in the Senate to deny Russia's entrance into the WTO (among other things) if they did not take major action against piracy. From the press release: "The effective protection of American intellectual property has been sorely lacking in Russia. This resolution is significant because it expresses the will of the U.S. Congress that Russia must take effective action against those who would steal America's knowledge-intensive intellectual property-based goods and services. We must not enter into political arrangements with countries ill-prepared to adequately protect our greatest economic assets."

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  1. Well Napoleon, Hitler and now the RIAA by Crashmarik · · Score: 5, Funny

    Amazing how much they have in common. Hopefully the RIAA has as much success as the first two.

    1. Re:Well Napoleon, Hitler and now the RIAA by Justin205 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hope they have less success than Hitler and Napoleon, personally, or we could be in for a dark few years... :-/

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    2. Re:Well Napoleon, Hitler and now the RIAA by User+956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not to mention complete, balls-out arrogance as to their own importance:

      We must not enter into political arrangements with countries ill-prepared to adequately protect our greatest economic assets.

      So the RIAA did $12 billion in sales last year (link) That's *total* of all sales, including sales of downloads. In comparison, General Motors had $193 billion in revenue. (link)

      You tell me which one's the real "great economic asset".

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    3. Re:Well Napoleon, Hitler and now the RIAA by HardCase · · Score: 4, Funny

      Blammo, Godwinned right off the bat!

    4. Re:Well Napoleon, Hitler and now the RIAA by Catbeller · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Godwinning": Calling cliche and quits on any comparison, valid or invalid, to either the ramp-up to power or the actual government of the Nazi party in post-Weimar Germany, and the ascension of fascism in both the U.S. and Russia.

      Usefulness: shutting off discussion of actual similarities between the fascist takeovers of Italy and Germany to the fascist takeovers of Russia and the United States. Takes away the most powerful arguments of those who must use the comparison to bring home the fact that Americans gravitate naturally towards a superpowerful, unconstitutional dictator coupled with hypermilitarism, suppression of dissent, and directed fear against a faceless adversary. Oh, like in the last five years.

      Godwin! 9-11! Terrorism! War! 9-11! Muslism with nukes! Crazed enemies without provocation! Godwin! Must take out the treacherous Poles, er, Iraqis, before they strike first! No similarities between the Nazi's methodology and the current admin's. Nothing to see here, move along, Godwin, 9-11. Thank you, and 9-11.

    5. Re:Well Napoleon, Hitler and now the RIAA by PatrickThomson · · Score: 5, Funny
      So the RIAA did $12 billion in sales last year


      You're forgetting, that's before the adjustment for piracy. $120,000 per track, times lots of numbers, especially downloads from russia, means that the RIAA's turnover if russia complied would be $5 gazerbaijuhullion per year.

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  2. So this is it? by Orgazmus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    THIS is a valid reason for the US to not co-op with russia?
    Major corruption? Bah
    A weak if existant democracy? Bah I say!
    But piracy? Close the borders, its war!

    I knew the policymakers had deep pockets, but damn!

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    1. Re:So this is it? by Husgaard · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The countries that are not signatories to the Berne Convention do not generally have what I consider to be "good" governments, either.
      Please remember that the US refused to sign the Berne Convention for 103 years, and didn't sign it until March 1th 1989.
    2. Re:So this is it? by slavemowgli · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can understand not wanting to live in Afghanistan, or Ethiopia, or Yemen, but.. San Marino? What's wrong with *that* one?

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    3. Re:So this is it? by kesuki · · Score: 5, Interesting

      First off lets go myth busting your arguments.

      1. IP the biggest export.

      http://www.ita.doc.gov/td/industry/otea/usfth/aggr egate/H04t02.html

      Fact, IP was the Number 4 export for the united states in 2004.

      and at about 7.5% of our total exports, it wasn't aa huge a player as you made it out to be.

      2. It's one of the reasons why we're one of the richest nations on the planet

      BS, we're rich because a. america had vast untapped resources and still widely under utilized natural resource bases b. america stole virtually every piece of technology they could to 'build' their industrial base and c. no major wars rased any of our industrial complexs.

      3. it's a major factor in the quality of life we enjoy.

      Actually the ammount of profit made off 'ideas' has almost no correlation to qquality of life what so ever. there are a lot of important factors, but frankly ip centric societies (the UK) have managed to prosper with tight IP laws, and 'historically lax' IP nations as the US have also prospered... IP laws come in so late in the equasion that they can't really change a whole lot about an economy...

      4. It's no coincidence that countries which don't pay much bother to the Berne Convention and other similar international agreements are by and large shitty places to live.

      others called BS on this already, for 103 years the US refused to sign said convention. the entire decade 'of greed' occured before said convention was signed in the US.

    4. Re:So this is it? by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Other countries recognize intellectual property rights? What does that mean? Intellectual property is NOT a natural right and has never been considered as such by law. Under law, IP is an ARTIFICAL right set up to give only temporary rights for a limited time, and only so far as it PROMOTES the advancement of the arts/sciences. NOT promotes an economy.
      Again - NOT a natural right, but rather a temporary PRIVELEGE designed to promote advances... in this way not much different than enterprise zones, tax breaks, etc. As such, as an artifical construct, it is not something that we can say crosses political boundaries, as we can say human rights do.

      What right do we have to demand that other countries fall in line with OUR economic or social development policies? Countries look after their own interests. in creating the temporary and artifical "intellectual property rights" we were looking after our interests - in IGNORING our policies, they may be looking after their own.

      House of cards? You know what is a house of cards? Trying to base an entire nation's economy on this artificial "property" and then demanding that all other countries and cultures - often cultures where the entire concept is anathema, follow suit, play along and hand us their money simply because its what WE want.

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    5. Re:So this is it? by owlnation · · Score: 4, Informative
      For reference, the latest list of non-signatories that I could find is: Afghanistan, Bhutan, Ethiopia, Iran, Iraq, Nepal, Oman, San Marino, Tonga and Yemen. I would not want to live in any of these countries, and the ability to pirate music to my heart's content would not make up for the other issues.


      Not sure what anyone could have against San Marino or its government. Or why anyone wouldn't want to live there, it's a very beautiful little collection of villages. You do know where it is, right?

      Unless of course if you were Swedish, since the longest state of war (technically speaking) in European history existed between San Marino and Sweden, only to end in about 1992.

      I've always loved this imagery, a tiny group of villages in the mountains of Italy fighting a country of 8 million famous for their very safe cars, social democracy, Abba and nice pine furniture.

      Hail Freedonia!
  3. Re:Someone's gotta... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, Slashdot posts on fucking idiots.

  4. This wouldn't have anything to do with... by MacDork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    these guys would it? Nah, they pay royalties to some other russian front who pays to ... well ... not the RIAA.

  5. rock and a hard place by revery · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We must not enter into political arrangements with countries ill-prepared to adequately protect our greatest economic assets.

    I don't know which is sadder, that the RIAA has such influence over Congress, or that this might be true.

  6. Cannot legislate morals... by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You cannot legislate away theft. If you want to curb it, you have to remove the economic incentive to steal. For music/video, you do that by making it easier/cheaper to buy the content from a legitimate distributor than to copy it. The "man" thinks they can also do this by limiting the quality of the output from illegitimate sources (using onerous copy protection systems that probably won't work anyway). They need to believe this if they have any hope of maintaining their rather excessive markups on their product. I am of the opinion that they'll kick and scream some more and eventually mostly give up and use pricing to fight piracy. But we'll see....

  7. China? by orkysoft · · Score: 5, Insightful

    China has a rather severe ``piracy'' problem as well, yet you don't hear the USA motioning to deny China access to the WTO...

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  8. Re:What? by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll think of something as soon as I stop laughing at the notion of "American intellectual property".

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  9. China and WTO by mikejz84 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hummm.....Why did this never come up when China was being admitted into the WTO???

  10. Russia has more important things to worry about by LordZardoz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given the huge number of social and security issues that Russia faces at the moment (corruption, poverty, keeping track of its nuclear arsenal) I expect that they will put this item pretty low on their list of priorities.

    If the RIAA really wanted this to happen, they would pretty much have to offer to pay for the enforcement and prosecution. I would not be suprised if Russia would accept an offer that involved the RIAA paying for the police salaries, especially since the police would also server more useful functions.

    Then again, I dont really like the ramifications of a corporate funded police force that had the full backing and authority of the state.

    Good thing that I am basically talking out my ass then, I suppose.

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  11. Hahahahaha by sockonafish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even if Russia passes DMCA look-alike laws, they don't have any resources for enforcement.

  12. Knowledge Intensive eh? by Kawahee · · Score: 4, Funny

    Knowledge Intensive Intellectual Property? Please.

    Here's some knowledge intensive U2 lyrics for you:

    WoooAoo! WoooAoo! WoooAoo! WoooAoo!
    Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah,
    Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
    I can feeeeEEEEEEeeeeeel.

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  13. Does it strike anyone else as strange... by laughingcoyote · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...that any country can "steal" something considered "property" of the other country-without committing an overt, forceful act that would normally be considered an act of war?

    Something seems very wrong with this definition of "property", and every attempt to shoehorn it into that box seems to be more of a stretch then the last.

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  14. Talk about two faced liars. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is the same USA that ignores any rulings handed down from the WTO that it doesn't like?

    1. Re:Talk about two faced liars. by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

      They recently agreed to remove all agricultural (export?) subsidies by 2013 or something like that.

      http://news.google.com/news?q=wto+remove+agricultu ral+subsidies+2013

      So, yes, they like to ignore the WTO, but when the threatened sanctions were large enough, even the U.S. caved.

      BTW, this is considered a fairly significant win for the WTO

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  15. "...protect our greatest economic assets" by oDDmON+oUT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That ephemeral, rather than concrete, goods are now being touted as Americas most valuable possessions is nothing short of depressing.

    A nations ability to manufacture real goods is the true measure of its vitality.

    Which is why we should all consider learning Cantonese as a second language.

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  16. Hold on a second... by Kutsal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFPR: "The effective protection of American intellectual property has been sorely lacking in Russia ". (Emphasis mine..)

    Why should the RUSSIANS (or insert your favorite country here) care for "protection of AMERICAN intellectual blahblah.."?... When first and foremost, they're supposed to be caring for their own "intellectual blahblah"...

    And this will somehow pass, and we'll go on trying to get countries to uphold US Law in their own land, and more and more and more people will get to love us, don't you think?...

    Geez...

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  17. SONY's new trick by PaulG1837 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just picked up a VAIO, and was reading the new license agreement. It now includes verbiage that SONY has the right (or a third party) to monitor the system. I have HIPAA covered data on my network, and can not allow anyone access to this data whatsoever, even if they are saying that they are looking for something else. Even a hint of a leak could cause a penalty to be triggered. I guess SONY has lost this sale. For anyone else, I would advise you ALL to look carefully at the license agreements, and think twice about SONY.

  18. How much does legislation cost these days? by Proudrooster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was wondering if anyone knows how much money it costs to buy a piece of legislation. It is a well established fact that our elected officials are addicted to contributions, gifts, and other quid pro quo from special interest groups. I suspect it only costs around $5,000 to $10,000 to get a piece of legislation introduced.

    If that is the case, we could start the Slashdot Political Action Committee and bury the RIAA/MPAA with some really interesting legislation. Just a thought.

  19. Good Luck with that by olddotter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really don't think this will go very far in Russia. The Russian's might play lip service to protecting US IP rights, as the Chinese did earlier this year, but the Russian's have too many real problems for this to be a priority.

    The music industry is desperate, because the fat profits are drying up. And if that "problem" weren't enough they are being faced with disruptive technologies that almost make them obsolete. Face it, big music labels are only needed for marketing. With a few thousand dollars worth of equipment you can put together a good home studio, make your own CD, and sell your music online. And if you are good enough to get some grassroots buzz, you will probably make as much that way as signing with the big label. As someone said "last throws."

  20. That's funny by DanThe1Man · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's funny because I proxy all my peer-to-peer traffic through a server in Russia. I wonder if my mass downloading has anything to do with this?

  21. China by opencity · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One way China is ahead of the game is their artists / music industry have given up on CD sales revenue. The artist makes money, or tries to, by selling concert tickets and with marketing tie-ins. In India bootlegs are available the day they are released. It won't come as much of a suprise to \.ers that, as the US moves toward this model, it is corporate profits and support staff who seem to be taking the heat / losing the livelyhood.

    As a career sideman, I feel no pain for the old industry passing (especially the lawyers), but the job of recording engineer is going the way of the hatmaker. Actually that analogy breaks down: The job of recording artist and recording engineer are being merged and will not pay very well. There used to be more work for painters, too.

    OT: There's a bigger issue here about labor and specialization - the best singer I've ever knew (hits in the 60s) was taking an occasional plumbing job in the 80s and wasn't bitter: The way he put it was: $30 an hour. This while commanding $2-$4k for 20 - 40 oldies shows a year. I didn't quit playing during the 90s net boom and still work a lot now. I also stay buzzword compliant - this year: AJAX(ugh) and psych-folk(cool).

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  22. I find it...disturbing...that "IP" is... by Svartalf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...the US' greatest asset, or more appropriately the rubbish that the bulk of the RIAA and MPAA members produce.

    C'mon, now, if that stuff is all our greatest asset, then we're pretty much done for as a country and an economic power. And it's as disturbing that Congress views it that way too.

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  23. Compare Singapore and Russia by metamatic · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's no coincidence that countries which don't pay much bother to the Berne Convention and other similar international agreements are by and large shitty places to live.

    Singapore didn't sign on to the Berne Convention until 1998. That was after they had transformed a largely agrarian society into a technological powerhouse in the space of less than a century.

    It's not a coincidence, in the sense that the USA pressures any country that wishes to trade internationally to implement copyright protection.

    Singapore did the right thing, and built a strong economy first before implementing copyright--like the USA did. Russia made the mistake of implementing copyright as part of the "market reforms" that the west told them would transform their country, and look at their economy now. So now we're going to tell them that the problem is they haven't tried it hard enough...

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  24. Re:Solving the system of equations... by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually you bias is showing: gov is bad. Starve your govenment to death, and then live in a land run by corporate power. Shareholders don't care about human rights. Governments are the only form of "checks and ballances" strong enough to stand up to corporations. Kill governments, and you kill your "inalienable" rights.