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Linux's Difficulty with Names
JohnTyler writes "This article at XYZ Computing takes a look at Linux's strange naming practices. When compared to their Window's equivalents, the names of many Linux programs are difficult to recognize and even tougher to remember. This may seem like splitting hairs, but it is actually an important usability issue. Just think, if you had to do a bit of graphic design which would be easier to pick out of the menu, GIMP or Photoshop? Or if you wanted to play a song, Media Player or xine?" The article is a bit thin, but it raises an excellent point.
That's why you need a Linux command quick reference sheet:
http://www.suso.org/infosheets/
Most commandline programs are like that in both *Nix and DOS/Windows. I believe we're dealing with desktop applications here.
see where it kets you... for example Killustrator was forced to rename itself because adobe managed to convince a court that it's trademark on Adobe Illustrator was being infringed...
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Most of these applications are listed as in the K-menu in the box I'm using are listed by function first. For example: Web Browser (Firefox) and Advanced Text Editor (Kate). That eliminates pretty much all the confusion there, doesn't it?
acroread.exe and winword.exe are meaningless names, too; and yet thats what the Windows executable are called. The name of the file is an irrelevance. If the GIMP appears as 'gimp' instead of 'Image Editor' in the Desktop menus and icons, that's really is stupid, but it's fine to call the executable that.
up2date is a silly name, but as long as it appears in the menu as 'Add/Remove Programs', that's hardly relevant, is it?
Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
> But then again, you click the "Start Button" to shut down in Windows :)
;)
And in Gnome, you click some weird thing that looks vaguely like a foot with 4 toes, then "Programs"->"System"->"Gnome Terminal", bringing up a command line box, then type "shutdown -h now". Clearly more intuitive.
There are 0x40000000 types of people: those who understand 32-bit IEEE 754 floating point, and those who don't.
I usually just click on "actions" -> "shutdown" to do that, your way works too though.
Nothing says "unprofessional job" like wrinkles in your duct tape.
The goal was two-fold: typing efficiency and saving space (adding characters to the command name meant more resources were used - this was important back in the days when having a few kilobytes of RAM was a lot)
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Safari? A Web browser?
ILife? A...ummm...well, a way of living?
Please. Winamp: do you think someone starting typing "CD Player, Audio Player, Mp3 Player..." in a DOS shell on windows until they found Winamp? People aren't going to stop or start using a desktop based on this, especially when "k3b" is directly under the "CD/DVD Burning" submenu on SUSE/KDE.
This is a non-issue.
DT
Back in the 80's, we were on teletypes (tty) with greenbar and the fast modems where using 75-150 baud modems. While I coded in the 70,s it was on punchcards, but I do know that other system were using less than 75 baud modems. Basically, each letter came at a high cost both in paper and in bandwidth. So, the commands were kept small and simple.
Look, if it really bugs you, then create your own commands, perhaps with alias or symlinks. But to think that commands were done due to lack of typing is silly.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Those were named back when you were using a 300 baud connection to a paper TTY.
You *WANTED* to save typing.
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omg, and here I thought all slashdotters were geeks to some extent.
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The *nix operating system was developed when the input/output device was a teletype. ( http://www.virtualaltair.com/virtualaltair.com/va
There was no backspace key, and you didn't see what command you typed in until AFTER you hit the enter key. So to keep things easy, you end up with 2 to 4 letter commands. ls, ed, df, dd, etc...
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It's against the Windows HGI to do this now (I don't know if it was ever documented as the standard, but it was extremely common) although many companies (and installer frameworks) still do it. Windows HGI also says that if all you're installing is link(s) to your executable(s), you should put them directly in the start menu root instead of into a subfolder.
This means literally "Names are just sound and smoke" and the deeper meaning is "Names arent important". Well, I don't think that names are a problem because of the following reasons:
- Usually a menu tree isn't flat but categorized. If I open my Debian menu I find a section for graphics and so I assume that the programs in this section have something to do with graphics.
- If I install a package I'm doing it because I want to use it. And at that point I can learn easily that GIMP stands for GNU Image Manipulation Program and so I can hardly forget that this is the program to use if I want to edit my digital camera photos.
- Many times I observed that people are not reading the menus, they just have learned that the app they want to use is on the 4th last entry in that submenu and they click there without even reading. Difficult if the menu structure changes, but people can adapt to this as well
Ok, if you're using a shell then you need to remember the names, but who prevents you from defining anYou want ImageMagick.
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Corrected list
Linux entries are read off directly from my GNOME menu
==============
Web Browser
Windows: IE
Linux: Firefox Web Browser
Graphics Editing
Windows: Photoshop, Illustrator
Linux: GNU Image Manipulation Program, Inkscape Vector Illustrator
Movie Playback
Windows: Windows Media Player
Linux: Totem Movie Player
DVD Playback:
Windows: WinDVD, Windows Media Player
Linux: DVD Player, Totem Movie Player
Simple Text Editing
Windows: Notepad, Wordpad, TextPad
Linux: Text Editor
Instant Messaging
Windows: AOL Instant Messenger
Linux: Instant Messenger
Music Playback:
Windows: Windows Media Player, Itunes, WinAmp
Linux: Music Player
CD Ripping:
Windows: Itunes, Windows Media Player
Linux: Soundjuicer CD Ripper
CD Burning
Windows: Roxio Easy CD Creator, Nero
Linux: CD/DVD Creator
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I toyed around with Linux a couple years back, was able to successfully install some version of RedHat on an old Toshiba laptop. Once I got it going, I thought, "Okay, what do I do now?" I never looked at it again.
A fair part of that was because the Linux command line is not intuitive. I'm not talking, "I know Windows command line, not Linux, so I don't know what I'm doing." My experience has been that I'm pretty good at figuring things out, and not ashamed to use reference materials. I didn't even know where to start with Linux.
Now that a couple years have passed, and I've got a couple more years' experience under my belt, I intend to take another crack at it. As soon as I get time, of course.
An intuitive interface, GUI or command line, is paramount to getting non-users to become users.
Web 2.0 == Giant Blogspam Circle Jerk
Wow, where've you been? In 2.0 and later, you click Actions -> Log out. They've changed the menu in 2.12, so now you click Desktop -> Log out or System -> Log out*. In either case, one of the choices in the window that comes up is to shut down the computer: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/original.php?rel ease=469&slide=76
*- Honestly, I'm not sure of the difference. I see the "Desktop" menu on my Arch Linux GNOME panel, whereas the Ubuntu screenshot I linked to has a "System" menu. I wonder if Ubuntu's is modified at all, though that seems only reasonably likely.
Personal Home Page was the original I believe. So, even more depth to LAMP. http://us3.php.net/history
Actually, the thunderbird one isn't that bad, a bird carrying a letter. You can (kind of) find it by the name, and it's pretty easilly recognizable as an e-mail client. The concept of firefox's icon is pretty good: a flaming fox encircling the world (Something going around the world is a pretty decent icon for a web browser (Formerly known as World Wide Web.) The problem with that one is that once it's shrunk down to the size you see on most desktops with decently high resolution, you really can't make either out, so it looks kinda like a red and blue marble or eye or something.
Both of those are far more recognizable for what they are than the rat looking thing that is the Icon for the GIMP. Or a construction cone for VLC player. Open Office's icons on the other hand are very informative, but bland and forgettable.
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The PDP's implementation of CCL (concise command language) let you abbreviate to the shortest non-ambigous string. Later DEC renamed CCL to DCL (DEC command language) and VAX/VMS shipped with DCL (although without all the fancy F$lexicals at first). Somewhere around VMS 4, I think, the TPARSE routines were rewritten and abbreviation was limited to a minimum of four characters, which caused my highly trained fingers to betray me repeatedly.
Having trained end-users in both, I can say that VMS was much easier to learn and understand than *nix for native english-speakers. If you have no english, or english as a second language, *nix is less typing and you have to memorize everything anyway.
The sad part is I still remember RSX Indirect and MCR, the predecessors to CCL. That backwards PIP syntax was a bitch.
Specifically the convert program
The names listed in your Gnome menu are not the names of the applications. A while back the Gnome devs recognized that Linux applications have stupid unintuitive names so they decided to give the core programs used in Gnome easy to identify aliases. It's not called "Firefox Web Browser", it's called Firefox. "Totem Movie Player" is an alias for Totem. "Text Editor" is an alias for gedit. There is no Linux app called "Instant Messenger", it's Gaim or Gabber. Go down your list of Linux names and what you find almost every time is an instance where the Gnome devs thought that the real name of the application was too stupid and non-intuitive to be listed by name, so they created an alias for it. This is the entire point of the original article: most Linux applications have stupid names.
I believe the point is that most comparisons compare the names of the Windows apps in menus with the command-line filenames of the Linux binaries. It's just as fair: neither side is making a truly fair comparison.
Most distros provide more descriptive names for applications, just as Windows does. Linux suffers a little because the application author gives the binary an obscure name, even if the big distributions make it clear what the app is for.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think the parent poster meant that as a parody of the original article's bias ;)
Ho. Ly. Crap.
/. zealots! Isn't he precious?"
Give us a break. It's real cute how you go to all the effort to capitalize and make all the Linux program shortcuts real pretty and then use the executable filenames for the Windows equivalents. How many users go mucking around the filesystem hunting for the executable to use? None, and that's why so many Linux distros have blatantly copied the concept of the Start Menu and Taskbar.
If you use the shortcut names found in the Start Menu it's a lot more of a fair game. Also, almost all MS-installed shortcuts have a description as a tool-tip, found when you hover your mouse for a few seconds:
Internet
Internet Explorer
Windows Media Player
Plays your digital media including music, videos, CDs, DVDs, and Internet Radio.
Windows Movie Maker
Capture and edit digital media on your computer and then share your saved movies by e-mail, the Internet, recordable CD, or on a DV video tape.
Notepad
Creates and edits text files using basic text formatting.
Word Pad
Creates and edits text documents with complex formatting.
(AIM? There are still fools who use AIM? Do you use ICQ still too?)
MSN Messenger
Shows whether your friends are online and lets you have online conversations.
Paint
Creates and edits drawings, and displays and edits scanned photos.
I'm not going to bother going further. Besides, you even help me with your "argument". Just how intuitive are the "polished" Linux app names of "Xine", "MPlayer", "Gnome Toaster"? Let's also forget that most of the applications you list (iTunes, Nero, Photoshop, WinAMP, WinDVD, etc) are not even native Windows applications. They are third-party and if the user went and bought or downloaded them they did so for a reason and obviously know what they do.
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As stated before, the reason he compared win binaries to linux menu entries was because the article did the opposite (compared linux binaries to win menu entries).
As for the tooltips, if I hover over the amaroK icon (amaroK isn't a very explaining name, right?) a little tooltip pops up telling me that it's an "audio player" (not a lot of babble about what else it does, and why I should choose that over rhythmbox).
Next, you mention that the aforementioned apps were non-native to the windows system... well, can you even speak of "native" Linux apps? That is, apps that comes along with your linux kernel. If you decide to install one of the more fancy distributions, like fedora, you will have absolutely no problem knowing what the various programs with "funny names" does since they've put a lot of effort into making things as easy as possible. If you use one of the more "advanced" distributions, slackware or gentoo, then yes, you'll have to know what an app does before you'll be able to install it - in some cases. With gentoo you can browse the Portage tree where several thousand apps have been sorted nicely into various categories like "games/strategy" and so on. If you want to know what a single package does, then you'll simply query for more info about it.
Arkanoid
gethostbyintuition()... why not?
Just how intuitive are the "polished" Linux app names of "Xine", "MPlayer", "Gnome Toaster"? Let's also forget that most of the applications you list (iTunes, Nero, Photoshop, WinAMP, WinDVD, etc) are not even native Windows applications. They are third-party and if the user went and bought or downloaded them they did so for a reason and obviously know what they do.
"Xine", "MPlayer", and "Gnome Toaster" are also third party applications and are just as intuitive as the Windows program names that you gave as examples. I do not have these applications installed on my KDE desktop system. I checked some of the other application names in the KDE menus and found that the menus include both the name and a description for all of the applications in the "Start" menus, e.g.; "KEdit (Simple Text Editor)", "Kopete (Instant Messenger)", "KSpread (Spreadsheets)".