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Blu-Ray Facing Delays Caused by DRM Squabbling
Tomo Hiratsuka writes "Disney, Warners et al, the companies behind the AACS content management system,
apparently can't get their act together to complete the standard they wish to impose on Blu-ray. The result? Pioneer has the first Blu-ray drive for PCs ready for market next month but is openly admitting the DRM issue may force it to delay." From the article: "The inability of the companies behind the AACS (Advanced Access Content System) content management system to complete their work has already caused Toshiba to put launch plans for its HD DVD player on hold. AACS is made up of a number of companies from the electronics and content industries. The group's founders include IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Panasonic, Sony, Toshiba, Disney and Warner Bros."
I for one welcome our new indecisive DRM overlords.
Err, am I welcoming the indecisiveness of our DRM overlords?
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
Now that these companies are actually producing products instead of touting them on paper, will they realize (falsely or not) that it's not worth pushing DRM? Or will they continue delaying a DRM release at the expense of new, otherwise helpful, tech?
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You mean my ability to buy into an intentionally crippled format has been delayed?
Darn.
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
I know the excerpt mentions it but both formats will be delayed by this, title seems a bit misleading.
-or so you'd think
Maybe if Pioneer sold enough of them, there'd be such an uproar when the DRM'd players come out that they'd be rejected completely by consumers. Or, at least, it would wake up more people to the dangers of DRM.
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They should decide which copy protection system they want DVDJon to break and get it over with. Geeze.
Or they could skip the crypto crap and save everyone some time and money, but that just seems too obvious.
someone should sue them about patent infringments after they agreed on something.
I'd like to see something like it come out, but take the time to do it correctly. i.e. NO DRM!
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The film industry has no real desire to jump into HD-DVD/Bluray. They won't be making much money until player costs drop significantly and the HD market is better established. They have the DRM leverage over manufacturers and will string this out as long as possible to get as strict as possible protection.
If we're welcoming our new overlords, does that make us doormats?
Anyway, I wish companies would realize that DRM is not the answer to copyright infringement, there is no "answer." The best way to lessen the problem is to lessen the cost to the end user, and don't introduce new formats!
A lot of people bought DVD copies of their VHS tapes because of higher quality and longer life spans, will BlueRay be enough of an advance?
I don't get it.
Both HD-DVD, and Blue Ray will be delayed until the DRM is done, so they'll both end up launching at the same time creating a split in the market that makes DVD+ DVD- elegant by comparison.
Can anyone say 2 stillborn products?
Ok, I'm hungover and pissy.. But I'm just sick to fucking death of these profit-mongering fuckers pissing all over us. Fucking us over is one thing - keeping us cringing as they sharpen the blades on the serrated dildo they're about to ram into our asses is just the goddamn icing.
There's a reason I don't buy movies anymore. Shit, I haven't bought a movie or a cd in five fucking years. I don't even own a cd player anymore, and I'm sure as hell not buying either of these goddamn new techs. We have to produce an epic amount of pointless shit to fill the amounts of space available on existing portable media and somehow attempt to justify charging a freaking fortune for utter catwank like Freaky Friday.
And then the cunts will only be fucking happy when I give them money to watch the movie, then have the memory surgically fucking removed from my brain so I don't stad the chance of even potentially infringing on their piece of shit, rip off, 'IP'.
Stallman et al are fucking nuts too, but jesus, at least they look you in the face with their crazed eyes and spit flecked jaws when they're fucking your wife.
Burn my damn karma - you know I'm right. Except about Stallman banging your wife. Probably.
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Err, am I welcoming the indecisiveness of our DRM overlords?
Indeed, the commercial mess that DRM schemes are now demonstrably causing around a promising technology should further convince decision makers and investors around the world that the business model of DRM is wrong. Reasonable pricing and value preserved DRM unencumbered media will do it. One new nail in the coffin!
If it can be read, it can be copied...
Sadly, I really don't think DRM will bother the unwashed masses. Why?
-Most people have been trained to buy their information. Along the way free information is derided as just that, "free" and all it suggests.
-It will "just work."
-If the quality is good enough, they'll gladly lose what freedom is left in exchange for a prettier picture. Most have gladly done that already with iTunes. So the audio battle is over and DRM has won. Your video is next.
-Even when someone breaks it, it just won't put a big dent in the corporation's bottom line.
-The Entertainment corps get to drag the poor guy through court as an "example to all." Thereby reinforcing the mindset that information should be owned, lock, stock and barrel.
While I understand that DRM and OSS are idealogically polar opposites, there should be an OSS DRM. Then there would at least be some transparency. Not to mention a generally better system.
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According to the article:
"IBM has accused Sony of failing to complete a portion of the code responsible for decryption of the video stream. 'The code they delivered for factoring the product of two large prime numbers is [extremely] slow,' said a spokesman, 'but we're confident they'll come through with a solution soon.'"
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The really sad part is that these companies have now wasted millions of dollars and months, if not years bickering about a DRM system that will be cracked by bootleggers within months of its public release.
Is that they've got to convince people to switch.
As sony has found out, asking people to give up a non-DRM format for something with DRM is a tough sell (as in SACD replacing Audio CD).
You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
Can't they just sell me the drive now and then send me the add-on DRM module once they get that sorted out? I promise that I'll hook it up right away.
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This should make it more embarrassing when their DRM is cracked within 90 days of release.
Not that the media mafia really cares or anything but at least we'll get a laugh.
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It's a lot of stress for them.
They just FEEL that whatever they end up with for AACS it'll be hacked and dismantled the week it's out, and are frantically trying to prevent it.
It's of course funny to see how the minuses of DRM pile on top of each other (now delaying manifacturing and entering the market), while the benefits are yet to be seen (if ever).
I am quite ill.
But I'm just sick to fucking death of these profit-mongering fuckers pissing all over us. Fucking us over is one thing - keeping us cringing as they sharpen the blades on the serrated dildo they're about to ram into our asses is just the goddamn icing.
I am quite exhausted with these media corporations trying to eliminate our basic rights to fair use. Would they please try to consider some basic principles other than their profit motives? I understant that they have fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders - maybe my 401K is invested in one of them, but please, consider the above.
There's a reason I don't buy movies anymore. Shit, I haven't bought a movie or a cd in five fucking years. I don't even own a cd player anymore, and I'm sure as hell not buying either of these goddamn new techs. We have to produce an epic amount of pointless shit to fill the amounts of space available on existing portable media and somehow attempt to justify charging a freaking fortune for utter catwank like Freaky Friday.
I disappointed with the quality of today's media output.
And then the cunts will only be fucking happy when I give them money to watch the movie, then have the memory surgically fucking removed from my brain so I don't stad the chance of even potentially infringing on their piece of shit, rip off, 'IP'.
In their overzealous attempt at promoting their profits, are they going to start erasing our memories so that we have to keep paying for the same content over and over? I feel quite used and over-charged!
Stallman et al are fucking nuts too, but jesus, at least they look you in the face with their crazed eyes and spit flecked jaws when they're fucking your wife.
Stallman et al are somewhat eccentric. And I assume that they may be having relations with your spouse.
Burn my damn karma - you know I'm right. Except about Stallman banging your wife. Probably.
I have strong opinions about this, and I am not concerned with your modderations.
It will only take one company to release blue laser DVD technology that does not have DRM (Even if it is against the law in the USA). The consumers will vote with their dollars. And thus DRM will lose the battle again.
Jiminy, I don't give three-quarters of a rat's ass about movies on BluRay. I want these turkeys to go ahead and get their consumer market rolling along so I can get a writable BluRay drive and start burning spindles full of data DVD-R's to a handful of BluRay discs.
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The real question is: Will Sony delay the PS3 if the DRM isn't worked out? Or will they ship with what they have at the time?
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A better solution for me would be to just sell MP3's on the legal download sites. The first thing I do when I buy a CD is rip it to my HD and then toss it aside never to come out of the CD pile again.
Seriously: MP3 is much more portable, and much less restrictive. Also, there is no shortage of MP3 versions of a song available on the internet, so it's not like they would be leaking some pristine non-DRM'd copy of the song - the P2P networks are full of them. Instead they'd rather punish the people actually paying for the product.
So long as the pirated copy of the work is superior in quality & functionality when compared to the legal versions they'll have problems. In early years this was a given. Pirated VHS versus legit? The legit plays better, of course I'm going to buy it. Studio release version cammed copy? I'm picking the studio release. DRM-laden media versus portable file of bettery quality? I'm skipping on the DRM thank you.
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After the whole thing with Sony's music CDs, I wouldn't be surprised if they've had to change some aspects of the copy protection - namely removing stealth copy protection mechanisms. Because you know it was on their minds, and probably already coded.
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Someone bulding a next gen dvd player out of parts and breaking at least some of the DRM that way. As I understand it some information will be contained in tracks that can't be read by the player (well they can but you can't see the result of that read). Surely a home built player could just be made to read that info. Now I realize that building a DVD player is not a trivial task but most of the parts are already available. In fact surely all you would really need to build is a new control board just without all the DRM. The read head, trays, drive motors etc etc are already and waiting.
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They're squabbling over which DRM standard will cracked 24 hours after it's released? What a waste of time.
LK4
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Jim Taylor in DVD Demystified explained that DVD's were ready to go (technically) 18 months before they were formally launched. The holdup: Studios wanted encryption. Finally, someone sold them CSS, convincing them it was *very* secure.
Noting new here. Same old IP concerns holding up innovation and the progress IP protection was meant to promote.
I'd rather have someone respond than be modded up.
The problem is that this is ultimately about content, and your whiz-bang engineering solutions do not make it easy for you to sign bands or fund major motion pictures. The **AAs have beaten you to the market by decades on that front and it is unlikely that you will catch them.
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Only the player manufacturers were forced to keep supporting it. There's absolutely no need to use CSS on DVDs. In fact, there are commercial movie DVDs out there that aren't CSS encoded.
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