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10 Biggest Microsoft Surprises of 2005

IZ Reloaded writes "The Microsoft Watch has a top 10 list of the biggest Microsoft surprises of the year. Among the surprises are Internet Explorer rising from the dead, Microsoft gets RSS and Microsoft Office team blogging. From Microsoft Watch: MS 'gets' RSS: While some folks were less than overjoyed that Microsoft was tinkering with the "little orange RSS box," Microsoft ended up looking like a company with a clue when it came to outlining its company-wide RSS strategy in 2005. RSS support will be built into not just Internet Explorer 7.0, but also Outlook 12 and Windows Vista itself. Almost all Microsoft blogs and sites have RSS feeds these days. RSS is gospel in Redmond these days."

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  1. Number 11... by mrRay720 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Steve Balmer discovered at the office party having sexual relations with Google in a storage cupboard.

  2. surprises? by BushCheney08 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    5. Microsoft refuses to take the EC seriously
    7. Redmond still can't find a way to shake its shoddy security image


    I'm not really sure why these two are considered surprises. These seem more like expectations than anything.

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  3. Microsoft and RSS by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Informative

    RSS is gospel in Redmond these days

    It must be a bit bittersweet, given that RSS is basically a sloppier version of Microsoft's "push" technology CDF, which was introduced with Internet Explorer 4.0.

    1. Re:Microsoft and RSS by Golias · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What made me chuckle was: "RSS support will be built into not just Internet Explorer 7.0, but also Outlook 12 and Windows Vista itself"

      "Quick! There's a feature out there that a small fraction of users find useful! Let's bolt it directly onto the OS!"

      Of course, considering the Dashboard in Mac OS X 10.4, this could just be another example of Microsoft following Apple's example.

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    2. Re:Microsoft and RSS by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Funny
      RSS support will be built into not just Internet Explorer 7.0, but also Outlook 12 and Windows Vista itself

      Oh joy, another 'sploit vector into Windows.

    3. Re:Microsoft and RSS by Thuktun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Quick! There's a feature out there that a small fraction of users find useful! Let's bolt it directly onto the OS!" Of course, considering the Dashboard in Mac OS X 10.4, this could just be another example of Microsoft following Apple's example.

      Sadly, some parts of Microsoft seem to believe that their "embrace and extend" philosophy is actual innovation.

      For the greater part, "embrace and pervert" more accurately portrays their actual behavior. For anyone who thinks this is flamebait, read up on what they did adding Kerberos to Windows 2000, for instance. It's probably debatable whether they do this deliberately or if it's plain, old incompetence.

  4. I dont 'get' RSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is it just me or do other people not get RSS?

    It seems to me to be very limited, only useful to be able to quickly read headlines from peoples blogs.

    Sorry to piss on your blogfire, but most people have better things to do that keep up to date with blogging.

    I realise its Web 2.0 and all that, but is RSS really important enough to put into the OS?!

    1. Re:I dont 'get' RSS by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is MS, its being put into Internet Explorer, and hence its in the OS.

      Looking properly however, I can actually see some niceness if a proper API can be developed. Things like checking for software updates, event notification, scanning the security audit logs (subscribe to the domain login failure event list for instance).

      Just because the blog world has abused it for headlines doesn't mean thats its only use.

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    2. Re:I dont 'get' RSS by bblazer · · Score: 3, Informative

      I get it... I use RSS all day, every day. I use it to feed me headlines from the news sites that I used to constantly check on. I also get updates from other sites that I don't frequent as much, but want to be informed of changes. It is a neat, simple technology. Added bonus is the lack of ads, and most WiFi networks that charge (like in airports) do not block the RSS port, so I can get my headlines and a brief story snippet for free.

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    3. Re:I dont 'get' RSS by hey! · · Score: 5, Informative

      I either run a .BAT file which opens several webpages, or "open each bookmark in this bookmark folder in a separate tab".


      Sure. I can also calculate using a pen and paper, it doesn't mean it isn't useful to have a computer be able to peform them for me.

      The thing to remember is that RSS is an interface. As such it needn't, in fact, oughtn't do very much. It just has to be standardized. Since it is standardized and does just enough for the job, it can be used to bolt together information services, albeit in a limited way. This is what allows you to subscribe to podcasts in software other than iTunes, or for that matter the same rss feed that iTunes uses to update your podcast create a slashbox in your slashdot or a content box yahoo home page.

      If everything was done by creating batch files to cache unstructured HTML pages, this wouldn't be possible.

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    4. Re:I dont 'get' RSS by vadim_t · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It has many uses. Just not everybody needs it.

      For example, I have a Subversion post-commit script that takes the changelog, formats it, and posts it on a blog on tikiwiki. This serves as a nice permanent record, and anybody who just wants to keep track of my progress can subscribe to the RSS feed.

      Another nice use is security updates. Maybe I don't want to open the page for every distribution I use every day. It's a lot easier to see that something new appeared in the security folder.

      But yeah, if your daily usage consists in going to slashdot every day, RSS makes little sense. It's most useful when you do not want to do that.

    5. Re:I dont 'get' RSS by Achoi77 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The big benefit for me is speed. I can get lots of different news articles and titles consolidated undeer one app, which I can scan over real quickly and cherry pick the ones I would be most interested in. It's amazing how up to date I can be on the topics that pique my interest, and at the same time by scanning thru the headlines real quick have some cursory knowledge on information that may not normally interest me initially, but may develop into something later. The downside to this is that you have to be regularly checking your aggregator, otherwise if you take a week off it, you'll be overloaded with like 600 articles to read when you check it again. Incidentally it also slowed down my constant refreshing of /., causing me to participate less (prolly also got something to do with the way /. does it's RSS feeds - pretty slow). Today I've decided to do something different and just read /.

      Yeah yeah, I'm an RSS speed junkie. But i like my news, and I like it fast. Within 5 minutes of hitting the web, I'll know about it. I also listen to podcasts which I get fed, but I only do that at work. I do miss the discussions on /. when I just have my RSS feeds, but on the flipside, I can get a lot more work done! :-)

    6. Re:I dont 'get' RSS by jZnat · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uh, your aggregator is caching the RSS files. You're just looking at old news. ;)

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  5. Red meat for the anti-Microsoft crowd? by Tominva1045 · · Score: 5, Funny



    Posting this article on this site is like tossing Nemo into a shark tank.

    Let us count the intellectually absent posts.. damn, where did I put that Long Integer?

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    1. Re:Red meat for the anti-Microsoft crowd? by Foofoobar · · Score: 3, Funny

      Let us count the intellectually absent posts..

      Don't forget to count your own post

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  6. Rises from the dead? by spacefight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hu? IE was never dead, maybe development of IE but certainly not its userbase.

    1. Re:Rises from the dead? by BushCheney08 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hu? IE was never dead, maybe development of IE but certainly not its userbase.

      You're absolutely right. Technically, zombies are considered undead.

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  7. Number One a Surprise? by parasonic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. IE rises from the dead: After insisting that Internet Explorer was an inextricable part of Windows, Microsoft abruptly changed course and decided to develop and deliver a new standalone version of its browser, after all. Nothing like a little competition to open new doors (and windows).

    Doesn't look like much of a surprise to me. If they're going to want to compete with Google with their Web-based Office products, they're going to want to have a semi-proprietary (and predictable since they own and develop it!) platform on which to work on their competitive edge: IE.

    1. Re:Number One a Surprise? by moro_666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      let's say you have a company with 500 computers

      they all need some sort of office software to handle text documents and spreadsheets ...

      would you pay 50 times the price of an office suite for an web based office that will handle all the 500 computers or would you like to buy 500 office licences instead ?

      at some point it all comes down to some cost. the current microsoft licencing techniques are very very tricky and unless you get what's behind it, you are literally ripped off.

      and now updating one machine with a new office server suite is quite an easy job but updating 500 machines ? have you ever administrated a 500 machine windows mess ? no ? try it out, i promise it won't be boring :) and don't forget that backuping one server is a lot easier than backuping 500 clients (yeah, sure everybody uses network disks but hey, there are days when the network switches break down and the silly users think that it's safe to leave the company's financial information on their sloppy ide disks.... and they tend to forget it there).

      ps. not depending on the office suite producers platform is also quite a big boost, if you can run thin clients instead of 500 windows boxes, you will save a lot of windows licence money and a lot of hardware money. also the electricity bill will be much thinner with thin clients.

      ps. ps. microsoft wont ever make their office run in "any browser", maybe they will add more ways to run it in IE (at least some office components already work in there), but that's as good as it gets.

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  8. "Gets groupthink" is more like it by marktwen0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do they really, or is this just the fad du jour up in Redmond? It's more like Uncle Bill saw demonstration of RSS and liked it as a basis to further his vision of pervasive fee-based web services, a vision where MSFT is squarely situated as the tollbooth in the middle of everything.

    Sure, they have the feeds everywhere and have built the protocol into their core products, but that doesn't mean they "get it" in the same sense that you or I "get it." It's more like RSS it the kool-ade of the month, just like "security-security-security" was last January (or was it in 2004?), and "developers-developers-developers" was a few months back.

    I'm so disillusioned with MSFT and its leapard's spots that never change: embrace, extend, vanquish, bugify and feature-encumber with more bugs. Then churn the non-compatible and bug-rich versions to pump up revenues.

    They "get it," maybe, but only to the extent that it gets them theirs: they want to own all the tollbooths on the web-services highway.

    1. Re:"Gets groupthink" is more like it by Generic+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Great post. I've never seen such a succinct and accurate post about the 'new Microsoft', which is mostly like the old Microsoft (pervasive everywhere, but now incorporating "online").

      Every few years there is enough sea change in computing and technology that Microsoft has to put on a "nice face", and that is much of what this list is about. It is simply the Embrace part of a new Microsoft cycle of embrace- extend- extinguish. RSS is just buzzword du jour which as the dominant name in computing they feel they must have a part in whilst they figure out a way to charge money for it. Similarly, their "open document" push is more of a way to compete with ODF without actually supporting ODF (publishing a tagging scheme while hiding the operation of certain tags still means its proprietary).

      Several of the items at the end of the article tie into Live services. With moderate success in Xbox Live, MS is trying to push Office and .NET into such pay per use online services. Soon we will need a "tollbooth" Slashdot icon for Microsoft articles.

      Tollbooth in the middle of all web-services, indeed.

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  9. Number 7 is not really a suprise now is it. by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Interesting
    7. Redmond still can't find a way to shake its shoddy security image: In 2005, Microsoft spent lots of time, energy and Webcasts detailing its plans to improve security. But at the end of the year, as security expert Bruce Schneier put it so succinctly: Internet Explorer sucks. Here's hoping Windows Vista and Internet Explorer 7.0 improve things a bit.

    Who here honestly believed that MS would really put some effort in cleaning up the crap that is IE? Oh sure, they might make some fixes to the next version but what do you expect? The people at MS are not insane or stupid, they do not produce shoddy code on purpose. It is just the MS always adds so many features to its product that on release it turns out there are a whole lot of open holes because of all the features. The best way to make IE more secure is to rip out activex. Not going to happen.

    You can in theory do the best more secure development in the world and if you then have some idiot decide that it would be really cool if unknown code could have free access to the system (html/javascript email) none of it matters. It would be like trying to design a safe and have markelting insist on a nice clear glass panel in the outside wall so people can see how save their money is.

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  10. Live by spellraiser · · Score: 4, Insightful
    9. No one says no to the marketers: After redefining "Project Green" as a strategy rather than an end-point, Microsoft marketers couldn't stop themselves. Now almost all the Microsoft business applications are being rechristened as "Dynamics." And most of the MSN applications and services are being switched to "Live" (as in Windows Live Messenger, Windows Live Search, etc.). That's an awful lot of rebranding to pull off all at once. Just ask Microsoft's confused partners, customers and press corps.

    And the number one point of confusion?

    'So, the old stuff was Dead, right?'

    No, seriously - what the heck is 'Live' supposed to mean? Any ideas?

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    1. Re:Live by asharism · · Score: 4, Funny

      Live is actually E-V-I-L. Just disguised by their marketing team.

  11. RSS for traders by fontkick · · Score: 3, Informative

    RSS can be handy for stock watchers. You can subscribe to an RSS feed for each company you track by entering their symbol on Yahoo Finance, and clicking the RSS button. An application like RSSReader (which is free) will pull all of the headlines together. It saves a ton of time when you want to read each stock's daily news.

  12. Atom by Trejkaz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Of course Microsoft would finally embrace RSS, when Atom reached 1.0 a while ago. Gotta keep comfortably behind the times, but still pretend that you're "with it."

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  13. Fanboydom Shilling by eyepeepackets · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hard to tell from the hyper "This is all _so_ cool" attitude of the writer, but
    every indicator I've seen in the past year says that more and more Americans
    (not sure about the Europeans) have wised up to the MS process of whipping up
    some alpha-level code, throwing it on the market all the while marketing said
    code as the greatest thing since sex. The experience of the consumer after she
    gets her pretty new Dell does not match the picture presented by Microsoft and
    Dell as to what the experience will be.

    I talk with a lot of folks from grandmas to IT people and the one constant across
    the board is that people are sick of Microsoft's junk because of unreliability
    problems, whether due to security or stability or scalibility, etc, etc. ad
    infinitum, ad nauseaum.

    The only reason Microsoft has managed to get away with pushing their junk on the
    market is because most of these folks were coming into the PC realm for the
    first time and didn't know any better. Well, they sure as hell know better now:
    They've been burned repeatedly by lousy MS junk since the middle of the
    1980's and they are actively looking for alternatives.

    Look for Apple and F/OSS to have a banner year.

    Cheers.

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    1. Re:Fanboydom Shilling by eyepeepackets · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "That is so 2000 of you. Everything you say used to be true..."

      Well, let's see what the coming year has to offer and revisit the conversation
      this time next year? Since you suggest that I am out-of-date and thus
      out-of-touch with the sentiment of the PC using public, let's see what the coming
      year's results say is the reality of the matter.

      Microsoft is indeed offering up an alternative to their own mess this coming
      year, perhaps people will adopt the new/old Vista/XP in mega-droves of crazed PC
      users looking for solutions to the Microsoft mess in which they currently
      subsist. After all, everyone knows nothing works like the hair of the dog that
      bit you, eh?

      I would suggest you be careful extropolating from your own experience as
      concerns the general public's experiences. I'm not just whistling Daisy when I
      say I've spent the last year talking with a broad spectrum of computer users,
      and I'm not "extending the truth" when I say folks are sick of their PCs
      continously singing Daisy when using Microsoft's products.

      Let's call it the Year of the Measure. Who knows, perhaps Microsoft can buy a solution some where, some way, some how. Perhaps.

      Happy New Year

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  14. WGA plug-in for Mozilla by anarxia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Windows Genuine Advantage validation plug-in was the biggest surprice for me. In the download page they even have step-by-step instructions with photos on how to install it on Firefox.

    1. Re:WGA plug-in for Mozilla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > The Windows Genuine Advantage validation plug-in was the biggest surprice for me. In the download page they even have step-by-step instructions with photos on how to install it on Firefox.

      I attempted to try this out on my gf's XP box earlier this month and there was no sign of a plug-in for Firefox. I seem to recall they said it was beta when the slashdot article first ran, maybe they pulled it?

  15. XML---Hmmmm by elecngnr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Although I am an dedicated Mac guy, this is not an attempt at a flame of MS....and I hope the following post proves that:

    I get a little scared everytime MS gets interested in adopting some standard. So I will be interested to see what they do in terms of XML. The reason is basically due to some of their other forays into standards. The most publicized would be Java. However, some of you may also be aware of MS's use (misuse) of the Kerberos standard. Rather than use the standard, they co-opted it slightly by using fields previously unused in Kerberos. While the jury was still out last time I checked on whether this degraded the security of Kerberos, I just do not understand why they felt the need to change it at all.....especially when they are adamant about not telling anyone what the heck they did exactly so someone--other than MS--can determine if what they did has some potential for holes or cross system interoperability problems.

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  16. Plus ca change by FishandChips · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There were no surprises from Microsoft in 2005. They have ended the year as they began it: fighting, bullying and litigating. Unless Microsoft decides to do a deal with the EC and various other parties, chances are they will end 2006 in the same way too.

    The "surprises" in the article are at best changes of nuance and pretty darn piffling. So Microsoft gets keen on RSS and the Office team starts to blog? Only in a very boring corporation suffering from serious organizational arthritis would this be considered news. The proceedings of the 23rd convention of the Chinese communist party would hold more interest.

    It's hard to think there will be any surprises from Microsoft for as long as Gates, Ballmer and their supporters are in such tight charge. Mabye events or Wall Street will force some change (all those Xbox zillions pouring down the manhole cover), but until then it looks to be strictly yesterday's men and yesterday's business practices.

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  17. MS gets RSS by Excelsior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    MS 'gets' RSS: While some folks were less than overjoyed that Microsoft was tinkering with the "little orange RSS box," Microsoft ended up looking like a company with a clue when it came to outlining its company-wide RSS strategy in 2005. RSS support will be built into not just Internet Explorer 7.0, but also Outlook 12 and Windows Vista itself. Almost all Microsoft blogs and sites have RSS feeds these days. RSS is gospel in Redmond these days."

    Microsoft is adding RSS features years after they have become standard in other browsers and email clients. Microsoft is blogging years after others started. MS adds RSS feeds to its websites years after others. And this means MS gets RSS?

    MS was slow to RSS just like they were slow to understand that the Internet was important. But they will probably dominate RSS just like the Internet.

  18. Here's #11 by Cally · · Score: 5, Informative
    Sadly this list was drawn up before the events of yesterday and today... a new 0day Windows vuln is out, and an exploit has been written and packaged for the Metasploit Framework. So that's an unpatched remote root with a pick-your-own payload web interface allowing you to inject it along with a reverse shell, a VNC server, or whatever else you want to try....

    A lot of people are going to get owned by this in the next few days / week, especially with so many people out of the office until next week...

    see SANS / ISC for more info.

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