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Why Haven't Online Newspapers Gotten it Right?

An anonymous reader writes "Kirk McElhearn, writing at Kirkville, discusses why he thinks that online newspapers aren't up to snuff. While his article reflects an "old-fashioned" way of looking at newspapers, that is by reading them on paper as opposed to on the web, many of his points are valid. Most newspaper web sites are poorly designed, and don't easily inspire readers to read their content. He doesn't offer any solutions (other than getting rid of ads to make stories more readable) but the issues he raises do merit reflection by newspapers and other websites with large amounts of content."

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  1. The billion dollar question... by dada21 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Online sites in generally haven't gotten it right. If you can't read it on the porcelein throne, it isn't perfect.

    That being said, look at what online publishers have to deal with: non-uniformity. HTML is very powerful, but we still can't guarantee that an article will look as nice on everyone else's monitor as it does on the publisher's. Digital fonts still have a VERY long way to go versus paper printed ones -- kerning and other newspaper processes are not as easy to perform in HTML.

    PDF is a solution, but not a good one. HTML is far faster on every connection than PDF ever will be (try getting PDFs to look good on your mobile device).

    AJAX won't help here because we're mostly talking about static data, and you run up against the different resolutions, screen sizes and operating system problems again.

    I've seen some sites that use preset pixel-sizes tables and frames, and that keeps the site more consistent in look-and-feel, but still doesn't look the same system to system and browser to browser. If you have a huge monitor or a tiny one, these pages are a pain to browse.

    Raster? Too big and too restrictive.

    Flash? Does anyone actually use flash for content anymore?

    I can't figure it out -- and I do believe that whoever DOES figure it out will have a pretty penny hitting them from the dead tree publishers.

    I've been working on that problem for nearly 15 years. It bugged me back in my BBS running days. My only "solutions" I've come up with is to dump the browser entirely and offer "newspaper skins" for another type of Internet program: something that grabs raw articles from RSS or other feeds, displays them in the format YOU want to read them in, and even print them out newspaper-style. It isn't a great solution since it would require another app on devices that already are being app-downsized. RSS is key in this situation, but I don't think the RSS reader is the best way to display the information.

    1. Re:The billion dollar question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That being said, look at what online publishers have to deal with: non-uniformity. HTML is very powerful, but we still can't guarantee that an article will look as nice on everyone else's monitor as it does on the publisher's. Digital fonts still have a VERY long way to go versus paper printed ones -- kerning and other newspaper processes are not as easy to perform in HTML.

      Remember the slashdot article a few weeks ago about choosing the perfect web font? The general consensus from /.ers was that publishers have no right dictating the layout or what fonts are used to display the information. Making proclamations like that leads us to situations where people bitch about things looking like crap on screen. Either the publisher has a say in the presentation or they don't. Don't complain if it looks like crap when you tell them you don't want their input, though.

    2. Re:The billion dollar question... by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Online sites in generally haven't gotten it right. If you can't read it on the porcelein throne, it isn't perfect.

      It's called a laptop and 802.11. There was a stat released recently reporting that a significant percentage of wireless networking users have taken advantage of it in the can...am I posting this post from the bathroom???? >gruntHTML is very powerful, but we still can't guarantee that an article will look as nice on everyone else's monitor as it does on the publisher's....try getting PDFs to look good on your mobile device

      You are detailing two different problems. On the one hand, there is a desire for WYSIWYG authoring with exact rendering (e.g. PDF, as you detail). On the other hand there is a desire for client-specific layouts, conveying the content while allowing for a versatile layout based upon the limitations of the target (e.g. HTML). You can't really solve both simultaneously.

    3. Re:The billion dollar question... by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Online sites in generally haven't gotten it right. If you can't read it on the porcelein throne, it isn't perfect.

      I don't think that's it at all. If you had cheap digital paper newspapers hooked wirelessly up to the Internet, it would make no difference at all.

      The bottom line is demography. Serious people of my generation read newspapers and possibly some news magazines to get news. We may listen to radio because we can do it in the car. Middle-aged Joe Sixpack gets it from the 6 O'Clock news.

      Young people don't read newspapers at all. Older people will say its because they're philistines, and maybe we're right, but I don't think that's it either.

      I think what we're seeing is the death of the passive media consumer.

      Young people embrace media that is directly interactive (blogging), searchable (google) or which is minimalist but can be snapped together in custom ways (rss based services like podcasts and news feeds). I don't think young people even watch TV nearly as much as middle aged people did at their age.

      If I am correct, I think that fine control of presentation of content is the wrong focus. What newspapers have traditionally provided is trustworthy content backed by their reputation, that connects people to the interlocking communities they participate in. This is a critical service, now more than ever. Yes, considerable effort went into designing the presentation so that it is convenient and attractive, but that wasn't where the value is. Customers simply had no means of obtaining, organizing and navigating information on their own, so the providers had to do it for them. That's simply not true anymore.

      Kids aren't impresed by the heft and gravitas of the "Grey Lady" look of the New York Times; they are so media saavy that they understand that this look is a conscious marketing choice on the part of the NYT. If anything, I think kids would prefer to be able to skin the newspaper accordig to their own preferences.

      Now, more than ever, we need the society building power of professional journalism. But the business model is not there to support it. I've often thought a government backed electronic nanocurrency, with a transaction size limit of, say, $0.25 would be a huge boon to information providers.

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    4. Re:The billion dollar question... by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 4, Insightful
      That being said, look at what online publishers have to deal with: non-uniformity. HTML is very powerful, but we still can't guarantee that an article will look as nice on everyone else's monitor as it does on the publisher's. Digital fonts still have a VERY long way to go versus paper printed ones -- kerning and other newspaper processes are not as easy to perform in HTML.

      This really isn't a problem, and never was. And until people brought up on traditional media understand it isn't a problem, they won't use the Web effectively. Disclosure: I am a fully qualified offset litho machine operator.

      Yes, OK, the Web can't do in terms of consistency of image what an offset litho machine can do. But what the Web can do is not worse than what an offset litho machine can do; it's far, far better. The Web can render your content in the reader's preferred font at the reader's preferred font size - the size your reader is comfortable with, finds easy to use. Do not dictate to your user - he knows how good his eyesight is, you don't.

      Being obsessed with precise layout - the sort of problem which means that the BBC's site can never use more than a third of the width of my desktop display, but is unreadable on my phone because of sideways scrolling - is failing to understand and to exploit the medium. If you can't design your site templates to reflow gracefully to make use of the reader's screen and the reader's preferences, you have fundamentally failed.

      My only "solutions" I've come up with is to dump the browser entirely and offer "newspaper skins" for another type of Internet program: something that grabs raw articles from RSS or other feeds, displays them in the format YOU want to read them in, and even print them out newspaper-style. It isn't a great solution since it would require another app on devices that already are being app-downsized. RSS is key in this situation, but I don't think the RSS reader is the best way to display the information.

      Your computer already has an application on it designed to do precisely this. It's called a 'Web Browser'.

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  2. Dont make me register! by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just what I need, another username and password which, if I ever change browsers, will be lost. For what? Content that I can get elsewhere online, or through word-of-mouth chitchat at the office? Trust me, I am NOT clicking your banner ads, so the # of distinct page views is a meaningless metric to try and track. Just give me the content, or don't do it. The usefulness of the online medium is the a la carte mentality, don't try and apply an old model to it. Or come up with a way for anonymous micropayments (again, no FSCKING username/password) and for .25 USD, I'll read your damn paper online.

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    1. Re:Dont make me register! by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There isn't an anonymous micropayment system available. I for the life of me can not think of a good system that will work. If you can then I suggest you get it up and working and make a few billion.
      That being said ads work and don't need to be intrusive. Google is making very good money with it's ad system and people don't mind it.
      I do agree with you about registering. It is a major pain and I avoid it.

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  3. Required Registration by therage96 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course the problem I have with many online newspaper websites is the fact that they require you to register to view their content. While I understand that is their right, I however can simply go to one of the many "free" news websites to get my daily dose of news.

  4. Author's problem is reading newspapers web site by GGardner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most of the author's problems with web design are solved by reading the New York Times via RSS.

  5. The Guardian by The+Grassy+Knoll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Huh. Try The Guardian, especially the ball-by-ball and minute-by-minute cricket commentary.

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    1. Re:The Guardian by dc2447 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Guardian is the online newspaper of the year but doesn't get a mention in that article - speaks volumes I think.

  6. Moving ads, subscriptions and customization by digitaldc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. It's hard to read and article with a flash animation of a silhouette dancing with an iPod

    2. It's hard to read an article if you have to subscribe to the site or enter in data about yourself (which most likely will be false anyway)

    3. It would be advantageous to have each news site set up in different fashions (one for politics junkies, world news junkies, tech news junkies etc.,) so that the information that is most wanted is easily accessible with one click

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  7. Web is too deep for New papers... by xoip · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here is the thing...Generally, newspapers are written for the grade 8 reading level and offer very little in the way of background, just a quick shot of information then on to the next story. Those that do that online, are not using the technology to build a user base. With the ability to post comments, papers like www.globeandmail.com give a reason for users to register online (to post comments)and create a richer experience where the point of view can be discussed.

  8. Funny Papers by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the biggest problems newspapers have with making money off on-line offereings is this:

    Almost nobody who buys the paper does so to get the news.

    People who buy papers generally are looking for (in rough order of popularity and priority):

    1. Comics
    2. Crossword puzzles & brain teasers
    3. Horoscopes
    4. Sports stats
    5. Movie listings
    6. Everything else

    Items 1-3 are typically not owned by your local paper, but purchased through syndication deals, so the three most popular items in your local paper are missing from the on-line version. Also, IIRC, major-league sports stats require an additinal fee to the leauge in question to re-post them (and users can find them for free from espn or league web sites anyway), so those are also typically omitted.

    On top of that, the vast majority of "news stories" run in your local paper are cut-and-paste reprints of wire service reports. The amount of actual unique news content (not counting the editorials) is really very tiny in most papers. They are sort of like Karma whores who make "Link Slashdotted - Article Text" posts. (And they are every bit as redundant.)

    Newspapers are not news companies, and have not been for a long time. They are ad space companies. They just happen to use news content as one of several ways in which they capture your eyeballs.

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  9. WSJ gets it about right by mcgroarty · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Wall Street Journal transitioned online pretty painlessly. The stories are written about as they were before, but there are a wide variety of RSS feeds to choose from with some overlap so you can select by region or interest. They also have daily email summaries in a variety of formats and filtered for different interests, including story summaries for those who want just the quick and dirty. The ads seem to have been selected to be unobtrusive, but relevant -- like the difference between a salesman who's been building my trust over time, versus the carnival barker hanging out at other sites.

    One of the more interesting things is that the NY Times and the WSJ took opposite approaches when it came to paid content. Remaining free at the WSJ - via OpinionJournal.com - is almost all of the editorial content that sparks discussions and draws people to the site. You pay for the hard fact reporting and business analysis that backs up the editorials and makes famously accurate projetions about the future of the market and world events. The NY Times makes all of the daily reporting free, and then makes people pay to see the editorials that might otherwise keep people coming back to the NY Times' site. (For me, the net result has been that I continue paying for the WSJ subscription, but have stopped visiting the NY Times' site altogether.) Hiding the editorials behind Times Select has also lead to far fewer people linking to the NYT as the majority of the free content is already available in varying forms from hundreds of other sources.

  10. Difficult navigation by Generic+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The worst part of reading a pulp newspaper is navigating the various pages to read the articles. Editors love to post "hunks" of articles across various pages, for various reasons. Some, to free up space on the Front Page, but most of the time it seems simply to force you to skim ads as you search for the next 4-inches of article text. And of course the text is smashed up into small columns already so as to fit around the ads in the paper. Personally, I hate trying to read the 'paper'.

    So now we have online news. Well, again many times it is hard to read and navigate because the text is often smashed into thin columns and forced around ads (often obnoxious, animated ads). Most online articles worth reading are broken into multiple "pages" which need to be clicked through, and entirely unneccessary most of the time, except to create more opportunity for ads. Online "papers" seem to be designed by similar people whom design the print versions, with the same headaches for readers.

    A side note, and personal peeve. Online, you see a lot more press releases passed around as actual news items.

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  11. Re:I am pissed about this too by nucal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the ads bug you so much, why don't you just read the articles using the "Printer Friendly" mode?