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Why Haven't Online Newspapers Gotten it Right?

An anonymous reader writes "Kirk McElhearn, writing at Kirkville, discusses why he thinks that online newspapers aren't up to snuff. While his article reflects an "old-fashioned" way of looking at newspapers, that is by reading them on paper as opposed to on the web, many of his points are valid. Most newspaper web sites are poorly designed, and don't easily inspire readers to read their content. He doesn't offer any solutions (other than getting rid of ads to make stories more readable) but the issues he raises do merit reflection by newspapers and other websites with large amounts of content."

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  1. I am pissed about this too by muhgcee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...and I wrote a letter about it. No response yet.

    1. Re:I am pissed about this too by nucal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the ads bug you so much, why don't you just read the articles using the "Printer Friendly" mode?

  2. here's a reason by scenestar · · Score: 4, Funny

    I got sick of all the bread crumbs getting stuck into my laptop while eating breakfast.

    paper still pwns.

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  3. The billion dollar question... by dada21 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Online sites in generally haven't gotten it right. If you can't read it on the porcelein throne, it isn't perfect.

    That being said, look at what online publishers have to deal with: non-uniformity. HTML is very powerful, but we still can't guarantee that an article will look as nice on everyone else's monitor as it does on the publisher's. Digital fonts still have a VERY long way to go versus paper printed ones -- kerning and other newspaper processes are not as easy to perform in HTML.

    PDF is a solution, but not a good one. HTML is far faster on every connection than PDF ever will be (try getting PDFs to look good on your mobile device).

    AJAX won't help here because we're mostly talking about static data, and you run up against the different resolutions, screen sizes and operating system problems again.

    I've seen some sites that use preset pixel-sizes tables and frames, and that keeps the site more consistent in look-and-feel, but still doesn't look the same system to system and browser to browser. If you have a huge monitor or a tiny one, these pages are a pain to browse.

    Raster? Too big and too restrictive.

    Flash? Does anyone actually use flash for content anymore?

    I can't figure it out -- and I do believe that whoever DOES figure it out will have a pretty penny hitting them from the dead tree publishers.

    I've been working on that problem for nearly 15 years. It bugged me back in my BBS running days. My only "solutions" I've come up with is to dump the browser entirely and offer "newspaper skins" for another type of Internet program: something that grabs raw articles from RSS or other feeds, displays them in the format YOU want to read them in, and even print them out newspaper-style. It isn't a great solution since it would require another app on devices that already are being app-downsized. RSS is key in this situation, but I don't think the RSS reader is the best way to display the information.

    1. Re:The billion dollar question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That being said, look at what online publishers have to deal with: non-uniformity. HTML is very powerful, but we still can't guarantee that an article will look as nice on everyone else's monitor as it does on the publisher's. Digital fonts still have a VERY long way to go versus paper printed ones -- kerning and other newspaper processes are not as easy to perform in HTML.

      Remember the slashdot article a few weeks ago about choosing the perfect web font? The general consensus from /.ers was that publishers have no right dictating the layout or what fonts are used to display the information. Making proclamations like that leads us to situations where people bitch about things looking like crap on screen. Either the publisher has a say in the presentation or they don't. Don't complain if it looks like crap when you tell them you don't want their input, though.

    2. Re:The billion dollar question... by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Online sites in generally haven't gotten it right. If you can't read it on the porcelein throne, it isn't perfect.

      It's called a laptop and 802.11. There was a stat released recently reporting that a significant percentage of wireless networking users have taken advantage of it in the can...am I posting this post from the bathroom???? >gruntHTML is very powerful, but we still can't guarantee that an article will look as nice on everyone else's monitor as it does on the publisher's....try getting PDFs to look good on your mobile device

      You are detailing two different problems. On the one hand, there is a desire for WYSIWYG authoring with exact rendering (e.g. PDF, as you detail). On the other hand there is a desire for client-specific layouts, conveying the content while allowing for a versatile layout based upon the limitations of the target (e.g. HTML). You can't really solve both simultaneously.

    3. Re:The billion dollar question... by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Online sites in generally haven't gotten it right. If you can't read it on the porcelein throne, it isn't perfect.

      I don't think that's it at all. If you had cheap digital paper newspapers hooked wirelessly up to the Internet, it would make no difference at all.

      The bottom line is demography. Serious people of my generation read newspapers and possibly some news magazines to get news. We may listen to radio because we can do it in the car. Middle-aged Joe Sixpack gets it from the 6 O'Clock news.

      Young people don't read newspapers at all. Older people will say its because they're philistines, and maybe we're right, but I don't think that's it either.

      I think what we're seeing is the death of the passive media consumer.

      Young people embrace media that is directly interactive (blogging), searchable (google) or which is minimalist but can be snapped together in custom ways (rss based services like podcasts and news feeds). I don't think young people even watch TV nearly as much as middle aged people did at their age.

      If I am correct, I think that fine control of presentation of content is the wrong focus. What newspapers have traditionally provided is trustworthy content backed by their reputation, that connects people to the interlocking communities they participate in. This is a critical service, now more than ever. Yes, considerable effort went into designing the presentation so that it is convenient and attractive, but that wasn't where the value is. Customers simply had no means of obtaining, organizing and navigating information on their own, so the providers had to do it for them. That's simply not true anymore.

      Kids aren't impresed by the heft and gravitas of the "Grey Lady" look of the New York Times; they are so media saavy that they understand that this look is a conscious marketing choice on the part of the NYT. If anything, I think kids would prefer to be able to skin the newspaper accordig to their own preferences.

      Now, more than ever, we need the society building power of professional journalism. But the business model is not there to support it. I've often thought a government backed electronic nanocurrency, with a transaction size limit of, say, $0.25 would be a huge boon to information providers.

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    4. Re:The billion dollar question... by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 4, Insightful
      That being said, look at what online publishers have to deal with: non-uniformity. HTML is very powerful, but we still can't guarantee that an article will look as nice on everyone else's monitor as it does on the publisher's. Digital fonts still have a VERY long way to go versus paper printed ones -- kerning and other newspaper processes are not as easy to perform in HTML.

      This really isn't a problem, and never was. And until people brought up on traditional media understand it isn't a problem, they won't use the Web effectively. Disclosure: I am a fully qualified offset litho machine operator.

      Yes, OK, the Web can't do in terms of consistency of image what an offset litho machine can do. But what the Web can do is not worse than what an offset litho machine can do; it's far, far better. The Web can render your content in the reader's preferred font at the reader's preferred font size - the size your reader is comfortable with, finds easy to use. Do not dictate to your user - he knows how good his eyesight is, you don't.

      Being obsessed with precise layout - the sort of problem which means that the BBC's site can never use more than a third of the width of my desktop display, but is unreadable on my phone because of sideways scrolling - is failing to understand and to exploit the medium. If you can't design your site templates to reflow gracefully to make use of the reader's screen and the reader's preferences, you have fundamentally failed.

      My only "solutions" I've come up with is to dump the browser entirely and offer "newspaper skins" for another type of Internet program: something that grabs raw articles from RSS or other feeds, displays them in the format YOU want to read them in, and even print them out newspaper-style. It isn't a great solution since it would require another app on devices that already are being app-downsized. RSS is key in this situation, but I don't think the RSS reader is the best way to display the information.

      Your computer already has an application on it designed to do precisely this. It's called a 'Web Browser'.

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  4. Dont make me register! by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just what I need, another username and password which, if I ever change browsers, will be lost. For what? Content that I can get elsewhere online, or through word-of-mouth chitchat at the office? Trust me, I am NOT clicking your banner ads, so the # of distinct page views is a meaningless metric to try and track. Just give me the content, or don't do it. The usefulness of the online medium is the a la carte mentality, don't try and apply an old model to it. Or come up with a way for anonymous micropayments (again, no FSCKING username/password) and for .25 USD, I'll read your damn paper online.

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    1. Re:Dont make me register! by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There isn't an anonymous micropayment system available. I for the life of me can not think of a good system that will work. If you can then I suggest you get it up and working and make a few billion.
      That being said ads work and don't need to be intrusive. Google is making very good money with it's ad system and people don't mind it.
      I do agree with you about registering. It is a major pain and I avoid it.

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  5. Required Registration by therage96 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course the problem I have with many online newspaper websites is the fact that they require you to register to view their content. While I understand that is their right, I however can simply go to one of the many "free" news websites to get my daily dose of news.

  6. Author's problem is reading newspapers web site by GGardner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most of the author's problems with web design are solved by reading the New York Times via RSS.

  7. The Guardian by The+Grassy+Knoll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Huh. Try The Guardian, especially the ball-by-ball and minute-by-minute cricket commentary.

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    1. Re:The Guardian by dc2447 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Guardian is the online newspaper of the year but doesn't get a mention in that article - speaks volumes I think.

  8. Moving ads, subscriptions and customization by digitaldc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. It's hard to read and article with a flash animation of a silhouette dancing with an iPod

    2. It's hard to read an article if you have to subscribe to the site or enter in data about yourself (which most likely will be false anyway)

    3. It would be advantageous to have each news site set up in different fashions (one for politics junkies, world news junkies, tech news junkies etc.,) so that the information that is most wanted is easily accessible with one click

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  9. Web is too deep for New papers... by xoip · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here is the thing...Generally, newspapers are written for the grade 8 reading level and offer very little in the way of background, just a quick shot of information then on to the next story. Those that do that online, are not using the technology to build a user base. With the ability to post comments, papers like www.globeandmail.com give a reason for users to register online (to post comments)and create a richer experience where the point of view can be discussed.

  10. Funny Papers by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the biggest problems newspapers have with making money off on-line offereings is this:

    Almost nobody who buys the paper does so to get the news.

    People who buy papers generally are looking for (in rough order of popularity and priority):

    1. Comics
    2. Crossword puzzles & brain teasers
    3. Horoscopes
    4. Sports stats
    5. Movie listings
    6. Everything else

    Items 1-3 are typically not owned by your local paper, but purchased through syndication deals, so the three most popular items in your local paper are missing from the on-line version. Also, IIRC, major-league sports stats require an additinal fee to the leauge in question to re-post them (and users can find them for free from espn or league web sites anyway), so those are also typically omitted.

    On top of that, the vast majority of "news stories" run in your local paper are cut-and-paste reprints of wire service reports. The amount of actual unique news content (not counting the editorials) is really very tiny in most papers. They are sort of like Karma whores who make "Link Slashdotted - Article Text" posts. (And they are every bit as redundant.)

    Newspapers are not news companies, and have not been for a long time. They are ad space companies. They just happen to use news content as one of several ways in which they capture your eyeballs.

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  11. WSJ gets it about right by mcgroarty · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Wall Street Journal transitioned online pretty painlessly. The stories are written about as they were before, but there are a wide variety of RSS feeds to choose from with some overlap so you can select by region or interest. They also have daily email summaries in a variety of formats and filtered for different interests, including story summaries for those who want just the quick and dirty. The ads seem to have been selected to be unobtrusive, but relevant -- like the difference between a salesman who's been building my trust over time, versus the carnival barker hanging out at other sites.

    One of the more interesting things is that the NY Times and the WSJ took opposite approaches when it came to paid content. Remaining free at the WSJ - via OpinionJournal.com - is almost all of the editorial content that sparks discussions and draws people to the site. You pay for the hard fact reporting and business analysis that backs up the editorials and makes famously accurate projetions about the future of the market and world events. The NY Times makes all of the daily reporting free, and then makes people pay to see the editorials that might otherwise keep people coming back to the NY Times' site. (For me, the net result has been that I continue paying for the WSJ subscription, but have stopped visiting the NY Times' site altogether.) Hiding the editorials behind Times Select has also lead to far fewer people linking to the NYT as the majority of the free content is already available in varying forms from hundreds of other sources.

  12. Difficult navigation by Generic+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The worst part of reading a pulp newspaper is navigating the various pages to read the articles. Editors love to post "hunks" of articles across various pages, for various reasons. Some, to free up space on the Front Page, but most of the time it seems simply to force you to skim ads as you search for the next 4-inches of article text. And of course the text is smashed up into small columns already so as to fit around the ads in the paper. Personally, I hate trying to read the 'paper'.

    So now we have online news. Well, again many times it is hard to read and navigate because the text is often smashed into thin columns and forced around ads (often obnoxious, animated ads). Most online articles worth reading are broken into multiple "pages" which need to be clicked through, and entirely unneccessary most of the time, except to create more opportunity for ads. Online "papers" seem to be designed by similar people whom design the print versions, with the same headaches for readers.

    A side note, and personal peeve. Online, you see a lot more press releases passed around as actual news items.

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  13. Is there anything new in this article? by JamesTKirk · · Score: 4, Informative

    There seem to be two points here that have been covered too many times already.

    The first is web site design. Kirk (no relation) complains that you can't scan or skim on news websites, but a lot of sites have designs that approximate this. The Onion has on its front page headlines, and about a paragraph of text. Just go through this page and you're scanning.

    The second issue is pay vs advertising. Peoples opinions seem to be divided on this. Everyone curses NY Times online for requiring registration, but several people have already commented on this article saying "I'd gladly pay, just get rid of the ads". Well, you have to have one or the other, and whichever method an online news site chooses, someone's not happy about it.

    In any case, these issues have been covered before, and it looks like this is just another blogger making up fluff-filled articles to try to wring out some revenue from his site. I wish this non-news wouldn't make it past the Slashdot editors.

  14. Institutional barriers by Stick_Fig · · Score: 5, Informative
    But these same features are their downfall: readers of online media don't all see the same news, since they can customize what they want to see, and since many newspaper web sites display stories according to what readers have seen before; stories may change from hour to hour, even from minute to minute, so different readers will see different versions of stories.

    That was the point that got me. It seems that he's taking the main advantage of online newspapers and turning it into a fault.

    That said, a master's candidate recently did a critique of my paper's website, and he was brutal to a fault. He didn't understand the concerns of the newsroom -- or even how our print publication, which is unique, worked -- at all in many of his arguments, he picked away at the tiny stuff, and essentially ticked away at some of the things that lowly web design people and newsroom folks (I'm the latter, a graphic designer to be exact) can't touch for corporate reasons.

    Which eventually leads to my main point: Often, the structure of the newsroom is the problem with making many of the improvements needed. Advertising won't budge on something, administration won't budge, a reporter will get pissed if their story isn't given the play it deserves, editors don't trust their readers.

    But large newspaper sites? It's like vomited information, in blown chunks every-which-where, with no helpful structure, and it's starting to dry and get a little discolored. One of the things that my paper (Bluffton Today) has done, is that it's taken the interactive community elements and played them up. We're probably the only newspaper in the world that uses Drupal as a CMS. We've basically relegated, for better or worse, most of our content to a print version of the newspaper that you can weed through in an "As Printed" section. The decreased focus on the paper's content (which is distributed free to 16,500 people throughout the community anyway) has had the side effect of getting to the meat of what we should be for our town: A resource for the community, and an organic one at that. The blogs and spotted galleries are our centerpiece, and that's what makes it unique and useful to readers.

    That's the kind of thing, whether through institutional weaknesses or traditional thinking that large papers just suck at. There's such a focus on news judgment -- and how theirs is better than readers -- that they don't want to open the community input can of worms. Instead, they can't think outside the newshole or the thousands of tr and td tags that make up a newspaper front page.

    A friend of mine, an online editor for a Big 10 college paper, recently mentioned a talk he had with the editor of his college newspaper. He wanted to try some untraditional things similar to Facebook or MySpace, and the editor essentially brought up the trust issue -- he didn't trust his readers to have as good of news judgment as he did. That sort of institutional thinking is bad for an industry as a whole, and I have a feeling my more open-minded friend will go a lot further than that editor will because he is looking at the prize when it comes to online journalism, and it isn't the same prize as print. The prize is taking the community and making them just as much of the news generation process as the newsroom itself. When it comes to online newspaper websites, that's the untapped resource, seeping its way through the tertiary levels of the soil, beginning to surface in the newsroom -- well, after someone moves the coffee maker off the top of it.

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  15. It's a vicious cycle by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to work in a big newspaper. This is all just my personal opinion and nonsensical rantings. Don't sue me.

    A website's editorial content or journalistic determination isn't the problem. Despite hard working researchers and reporters, more than 90% of the news came from the people. Press releases, internal leaks, revelations about a competitor. The news flowed in to the fax machines and telephones like a sewer. The editorial and journalist jobs were filtering the garbage, checking for bias and veracity, and then making it understandable. Other than a few high profile "investigative reports" the newspaper got exclusive tips because people go out of their way to pass them on to a big audience publication. Some people read the paper for those "breaking news" stories. And because the newspaper has an established audience, it will continue to get the juicy news tidbits. Having seen so much crap and biased stories, the editors on the paper are better at throwing away crap before it runs. A news website that runs an "Exclusive" because of a tip from a competitor that doesn't deal with 500 hot tips a day may be really running an exclusive tip, but more than likely is being played like a piano.

    There's also a lack of trust about the web. Yes, even today. Let's look at coupons. The Sunday paper always sold bigger than any other because of the massive coupons enclosed. Most of them were crap and really only designed as feedback that "Yes, your ads are being seen" to the retailers. In fact, it seems that a web coupon would work better because it could be customized with a serial number and much more information encoded about the viewer. The problem is that consumers think of coupons as money. They ones that are printed in color on high-gloss, heavy weight paper are thought of as more valuable than the black and white newsprint ones even if they offer the same value. If that's your attitude, what would you think of a coupon that you printed out yourself on your own printer? Even if it had a barcode, unique id's, and far more valuable information to the retailer about your statistics, most people would view these "print it yourself" coupons as just one step up from counterfeiting or writing "Save 20%" on a piece of notebook paper. Worthless. There are still many people who bend over backwards to clip and save "real" coupons and this still offers real feedback about the value of newspaper advertising today. Even with the great improvement offered by the web, it's not a trend that's going to be changed without a lot of re-education.

    Many websites I've seen have a determined and energetic editorial crew. That's great, but the news stories and editorials people write are just the bait. They aren't what keeps the reader coming back. People who don't understand the difference are confusing the journalistic content with the data content of a paper. For example, back in the eighties when I used to be big into comic books there was a newspaper called the Comic Buyer's Guide. No idea if it's still around today, but it was a weekly paper that offered editorial content about trends in comics, reviews, highlights of new writers and artists, interviews. Most of this very niche content were opinions I agreed with or subjects I wanted to read, but a big portion of the paper was the release schedules of when Marvel and DC would be putting out the next crossover series. I may have started picking up the paper because of the big Alan Moore or George Perez interview, but I became a regular reader because I got my lists of upcoming comics from them. Heck, even after I started to disagree with their attitudes and editorial stances, I still picked it up because of the data dump I was familiar with. The data dumps in newspapers are the sports scores, television listings, movie schedules, stock market results and many more. This data can today be dumped into the newspaper with no human intervention so it's very lucrative. Even some things like the personals, comics, horoscopes, and paid obituaries are set up to be constructed in a sim