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Einstein Has Left the Building

Ant writes to tell us of an interesting editorial by John Horgan that is being run by the New York Times asking "will there ever be another Einstein?". The author looks at why Einstein holds such a hallowed position in public opinion and why it will be so hard for any one physicist to attain the same level of fame today. From the article: "The paradoxical answer, Gleick suggested, is that there are so many brilliant physicists alive today that it has become harder for any individual to stand apart from the pack. In other words, our perception of Einstein as a towering figure is, well, relative."

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  1. Show me by brian0918 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Show me the "brilliant physicists" that have published four papers in one year, each individually deserving of a Nobel Prize.

  2. Re:What about... by kid+zeus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, not one of them is considered to be in Einstein's class of intellect. The 'smartest' man in physics is supposedly Edward Witten, founder of M-theory. If you listen to the top theoretical physicists talk about him, he seems to be in the running for most brilliant physicist of all time.

  3. Einstein had Charisma by wass · · Score: 3, Informative
    Einstein did amazing research across the whole gamut of physics, that's something that is much harder to do these days. For example, his miraculous year, he posited the theory of special relativity, came up with the photoelectric effect (which was a major leap for the study of quantum mechanics), and documented Brownian Motion (which was a major proof for accepting statistical mechanics of particles, especially in fluids). But that was just one year, he made brilliant subsequent contributions to quantum mechanics and of course the theory of general relativity as well.

    Einstein put Relativity on the table, which was previously unknown except to a few as something funky going on with Maxwell's equations under a Galilean transformation. This was an entirely new field. And, when extended into General Relativity, is a huge deal. Not many people get to discover a whole new field of physics like that. Newton did with mechanics. But with E&M, it was several people making discoveries, such as Ampere and Faraday and some others. And the full theory wasn't really collected nicely until Maxwell, who also corrected Ampere's Law. And that's only the classical theory, Quantum Electro-Dynamics is another huge thing. But within classical E&M, you can say Maxwell fully documented it, but it was already an explored field (no pun intended, seriously).

    Thermodynamics and Statistical Mechanics had many people make major contributions, specifically when thermodynamics was found to be described entirely within statistical mechanical formalism. Boltzmann made major contributions, eg coming up with entropy and statistical ensembles, but his work wasn't accepted by the community and he ultimately wound up killing himself.

    One physicist that may have come close to Einstein in breadth is my favorite, Lev Davidovic Landau. Any graduate student of physics should be familiar with at least some of his ten-volume "Course of Theoretical Physics", otherwise known as Landau-Lifshitz. Landau's grad students were known to be confused during meetings where he would shift topics from superconductivity to hadron interactions, etc. Landau made many amazing contributions, and also won a Nobel Prize, but he wasn't able to open up any entirely new fields of study like Einstein was able to. He made contributions to other fields, such as 2nd-order phase transitions, superconductivity and superfluidity, etc, but no entirely new fields.

    Finally, Einstein was also rather active politically and socially, he didn't confine his efforts to the laboratory (well, really his desk since he was a theorist). He also had quite a unique physical appearance, which also contributed to his popularity. But I think, from a popular point of view, his contribution of relativity, which is probably one of the biggest scientific blowbacks to something that was previously accepted as scientifically true and complete, was the dominant factor. Of course scientifically he made many other major contributions, but for the newspapers, trumping over Newton is a rather 'hot' story.

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  4. Re:Personality, not brains by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Informative

    His credo and that fact that his humanity was revealed in the way he tried to live by it. This is what people loved and respected. Newton was at least an equally great genius but unfortunately he was also an arsehole, his work (like Einstein's), is simply admired as an acedemic artifact.

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  5. Re:This is pretty obvious by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Informative
    Another possible influence on this may be that at Einstein's time, there was a world war going on.

    There was a world war going on in 1905 when he published his papers? Really? Which one?

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  6. Re:This is pretty obvious by EvanED · · Score: 2, Informative

    Now you could view science as a much more mature study... there may still be a lot of room for new discoveries but they are not the easy ones that can be expressed with 5 characters like "e=mc2"

    Are you really that sure about that?

    I'll agree that the chances of another discovery where such a profound statement (that energy and mass are convertible) can be made in so simple a form is unlikely, but by no means is it impossible. I have a suspicion that if you went to 1904 and asked someone if such a statement could be made so simply you would have gotten a reaction similar to yours.

    Another possible influence on this may be that at Einstein's time, there was a world war going on.

    Keep in mind that special relativity was 1905 and general 1915. At the time he published his two biggest theories (or at least the most well known, even among people who have done some physics studying) he wasn't yet anywhere near the Manhattan Project or anything like that.

  7. Re:Newton by EvanED · · Score: 3, Informative
    If you were to calculate the motion of a pitched baseball under Newtoinian and Einsteinin phsyics, the difference would be too small to measure, and for all practical purposes, they'd give exactly the same answer.

    I'll agree that if you're using physical laws to do calculations and you use Einstein instead of Newton to calculate the flight of a baseball, you're doing way too much work.

    But that doesn't make Newton right.

    I'm gonna quote Feynman because he expresses my feelings very well. This is from Six Easy Pieces (p3 in my copy; you can also find it in the "atoms in motion" chapter of Lectures), but I should say that this is a thought I've had long before reading this:

    We said that the laws of nature are approximate: that we first find the "wrong" ones, and then we find the "right" ones. .... For example, the mass of an object never seems to change: a spinning top has the same weight as a still one. So a "law" was invented: mass is constant, independent of speed. That "law" is now found to be incorrect. Mass is found to increase with velocity, but appreciable increases require velocities near that of light. A true law is: if an object moves with a speed of less than one hundred miles per second the mass is constant to within one part in a million. In some such approximate form this is a correct law. So in practice one might think that the new law makes no significant difference. Well, yes and no. For ordinary speeds we can certainly forget it and use the simple constant-mass law as a good approximation. But for high speeds we are wrong, and the higher the speed, the more wrong we are.

    Finally, and most interesting, philosophically we are completely wrong with the approximate law. Our entire picture of the world has to be altered even though the mass changes by only a little bit. This is a very peculiar thing about the philosophy, or the ideas, behind the laws. Even a very small effect sometimes requires profound changes in our ideas.
  8. Re:They don't make 'em.... by UserGoogol · · Score: 2, Informative

    No it doesn't. That is one way of interpreting the concept of wavefunctions, but there are others.

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  9. Re:The atomic bomb ruined physics in many ways by Jim_Callahan · · Score: 2, Informative

    The shape of ships' hulls had nothing at all to do with physics predictions. Ideal shapes were determined by a fellow named Froud(sp) in Britain several centuries ago by carving wooden models and putting them through the liquid equivalent of a wind tunnel. Completely empirical process, no mathematical modelling whatsoever beforehand (though one result, the dimensionless Froud number, is one of the most important dimensionless numbers in engineering, right up there with the Reynold's number).
     
    So, yeah, as another fellow stated, it was an engineering problem, not a physics problem. Even today, the use of physics directly applied to the problem of ship's hulls will break your computer if you attempt to solve for a limit on something like speed or overall drag resistance. (Not that it can't be solved, in a way, but it imvolves what my professors call "engineering approximations", i.e. assumptions that are maybe true in limited circumstances).
     
    Ballistics, I'm told, was similarly empirical, though I don't know anyone specializing in Aero so verifying your assertion regarding airplane wings would take more work than I'm willing to exert.

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  10. Re:Hindsight is 20/20 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Well, Hilbert also arrived at the Einstein field equation virtually simultaneously with Einstein by rather different reasoning, although there is some historical argument about whether one of them cribbed ideas from the other.

  11. Re:Uh? by Psykus · · Score: 2, Informative

    We all know he's moved on to his rap career...

  12. Re:Personality, not brains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    quick google turned up this

  13. Re:Personality, not brains by kisak · · Score: 2, Informative
    Eh, Gauss did experiments to check if space was curved, not Euler. And Gauss definitely had a reason to check it out, since Gauss, together with Lobachevsky and Boylai, was the first to realise that there are other types of geometry than the Euclidian. With this knowledge it is natural to want to experimentally test what kind of geometry our space has.

    What makes Einstein so-called "intellectual superior", as if this is some kind of competition, is that Einstein connected gravity together with the geometry of space, creating a unified theory of all accelerated systems. Hilbert at the same time as Einstein also worked out how to use Riemann geometry to describe space, just to point out that there are many great mathematicians and physicists who have been thinking about how space curves in the history of science.

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