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Email Plugs Into Social Networking

An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft Research recently released SNARF, the Social Network and Relationship Finder. It works in the Outlook email client to prioritize and sort emails based on the relationship to the sender and other characteristics of incoming email messages. Trusted Reviews wonders if 2006 is the year of ordering information and reports on ClearContext, which does similar prioritization of emails as well as some email driven task management."

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  1. Google, Gmail, and orkut by User+956 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This was Google's plan with Gmail and Orkut. However, Orkut never seems to have really gotten off the ground in the way they'd hoped.

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    1. Re:Google, Gmail, and orkut by CptPicard · · Score: 2, Funny

      Orkut just failed to peak and come, no matter how hard they tried... sometimes one just isn't in the mood. To make sure yours doesn't fail, don't drink too much and make sure she doesn't have a headache.

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  2. E-mail needing new features? by dada21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    (Insert emo Thundercat joke here)

    My text based communications have moved more to SMS and IM than e-mail, especially in the last 6 months or so. I've even seen many of my non-geek friends and family moving to SMS and IM over e-mail, there is definitely a much high signal-to-noise ratio over the spam cluttered e-mail Inboxes that many people have.

    I moved from my own server (which we ran for almost 9 years) to gmail recently, and couldn't be happier -- I wouldn't doubt that my tiny company is saving thousands per year of maintenance and upgrades, and having our own domain name isn't a big deal anymore. It also offers transportability if one of my employees moves on or if we bring someone on for a contract gig.

    The downside to e-mail is still the signal-to-noise ratio. Spam filters are helping, but lately gmail has been losing the battle (but hey, my gmail address is publicly listed on slashdot and other forums, so I can't complain). I also have to wade through what is important right now and what isn't, and marking people with a star hasn't helped much.

    I don't know if I trust Microsoft to design and build the necessary algorithms and heuristics to sort e-mails in an effective way. This is the same company that has one of the worst letter writing analyzers in word, and we all remember Clippy, who probably still exists. Sure, Microsoft has an intense amount of data they can sort from Hotmail and MSN accounts, but I'm not sure if it will be enough. E-mails, in my opinion, are incredibly unfriendly for PCs to analyze -- it's like the game Go. Humans can wade through e-mails in microseconds, but AI programs have never shown me to be intelligent enough to get mistakes to number close to zero. Microsoft's other problem is I wonder how many people still use Outlook for the desktop? Most of my Exchange customers -- nearly all of them -- use Outlook Web Access. I doubt you can install a SNARF MSI somewhere in the chain to support OWA, right?

    Google might have a step up against Microsoft (especially now with AOL and gmail), but even their server AI isn't ready for primetime.

    From what I can tell, though, the person who makes the best e-mail sorting AI will definitely come out on top and they could also save e-mail as the prime communication method. I prefer SMS and IM for the instantaneous communication, high signal-to-noise ratio and ability to truly limit who contacts me. Maybe the solution is some odd combo of IM, SMS and e-mail?

    1. Re:E-mail needing new features? by Threni · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >My text based communications have moved more to SMS and IM than e-mail, especially in the last
      >6 months or so. I've even seen many of my non-geek friends and family moving to SMS and IM over
      >e-mail, there is definitely a much high signal-to-noise ratio over the spam cluttered e-mail
      >Inboxes that many people have.

      I'm not sure little 160 character SMS messages which cost me 10p each to people who have mobile phones are in quite the same league as an email which can contain just about anything (or a link to anything else).

      If you're bothered by spam then just set up a whitelist filter. My Gmail account is set up with 40 odd labels and a few more filters - I read stuff from my friends, family and work first and skim through the rest of them later, and Gmail's spam filtering does a pretty good job - in fact I'm so impressed I've uninstalled Thunderbird and do all my emailing over Gmail's web interface.

    2. Re:E-mail needing new features? by walt-sjc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Careful with the "$5 unlimited SMS" claims. Frequently, they are only cell 2 cell in the SAME network, or you pay something stupid like 25 cents each. Email to cell is an example of an out of network message.

      Many plans have a limit to their plans of something like 200 messages.

      Furthermore, even $5 is a LOT considering that 300 messages a months is high, and that's about 50K worth of data, MAX. Over a buck a K? That's insane.

      With "In" phone calls being free, "In" SMS for $5 seems stupid to sign up for. Obviously you find people (must be the teen market) willing to pay that - I'm not willing to. If it was $5 unlimited SMS to and from any network, any gateway, you MAY tempt me.

    3. Re:E-mail needing new features? by drix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I moved from my own server (which we ran for almost 9 years) to gmail recently, and couldn't be happier -- I wouldn't doubt that my tiny company is saving thousands per year of maintenance and upgrades, and having our own domain name isn't a big deal anymore. It also offers transportability if one of my employees moves on or if we bring someone on for a contract gig.

      The domain name thing is big for a lot of people. My prediction for 2006 is that Gmail will start hosting vanity domains, i.e. allowing you specify gmail as your primary MX and letting you send and receive mail from your own domain instead of gmail.com. Seems like a simple moneymaker that a lot of people would pay for.

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    4. Re:E-mail needing new features? by DrStubbs · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's worth noting that SNARF doesn't actually analyze the content of messages, AFAIK. Rather, its sorting is based on metrics such as who you reply to most often, who replies to you, whose messages you read, etc. Purely metadata-based, which is a lot easier for a computer to do. Whether or not this is the right approach is another question.

  3. define: Snarf by digitaldc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Definitions of Snarf on the Web:
    1. To grab a large document or file for the purpose of using it with or without the author's permission.
    2. pilfer: make off with belongings of others


    Oh the Microsoft irony.

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    1. Re:define: Snarf by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 2, Funny

      This other definition listed in the Urban Dictionary is the one I have heard:

      6. snarf
      noun; Any person, male or female, that sniffs
      bicycle seats.

      7. snarf link send redefine 6 up, 12 down
      American slang of the 1920's and 30's referring to someone who draws pleasure from sniffing the seats of girls' bicycles.

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  4. Why do we need fancy new smoke and mirrors? by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can already do all of these things. It's called "sort."

    Prioritize based on the "relationship of the sender?" Without a doubt, crap like this 100% of the time works against you, because it keeps choking on anomalies and changing things. There's no need to automate something that will eventually cost more time than it saves, other than the "ooh, shiny newstuff!!" factor.

    1. Re:Why do we need fancy new smoke and mirrors? by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's called "sort."

      Well, perhaps it's called filter and sort, but point taken.

      For instance GF, BF, PU and MLs each have their own folder. I'm not sure what all else I'm supposed to do with these other than sort and find. My "Social Network" is pretty well dealt with by this strategy.

      Software like this assumes the computer is wiser about you than you are, and if that's true you've go more things to worry about than sorting your mail. As a friend of mine likes to state:

      "Life is hard. It's harder if you're stupid."

      KFG

    2. Re:Why do we need fancy new smoke and mirrors? by dupup · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed. Most of my email communication is with co-workers rather than friends and family. Even if this feature worked correctly, which seems dubious, wouldn't it want to sort my email by my actual priorities (friends and family first) rather than the priorities I pretend to have during the day (boss, job, etc)?

  5. Re:First ambient findability, now this. by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

    What if you don't want to be found?

    Hide.

    KFG

  6. Didn't they learn anything from spam? by Peregr1n · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Frankly, as no system I know of has 100% efficiency in sorting spam from real messages, I don't trust it one inch in prioritising my messages either.

    I wonder what criteria it uses to sort email - if it's simply looking at the email address, then it's going to take up the user's time in setting up relationships and sort criteria, something which I can guarantee most people can't be bothered to do.

    I can hardly find the time to sort email into folders, which is why I'm quite fond of gmail - as it doesn't have folders, I don't feel guilty about not using them...

  7. I'd rather Snarf-It than Snarf! by webword · · Score: 3, Informative

    Snarf-It -- "Snarf-It.org is a state of the art torrent indexer born out of the ashes of the legendary Suprnova, built by the old nova members for their huge community. It has access to the largest torrent, nzb and nfo database in the world where you can find torrents for dvd's, games, movies, software, anime and television all within our easy to navigate site."

    Of course the other Snarf is fine too: "snarf is a command line resource grabber. It can transfer files through the http, gopher, finger, and ftp protocols without user interaction"

  8. Re:Somebody please tell me they're kidding! by brontus3927 · · Score: 3, Informative
    It's not a filter, it's doesn't delete or forward email. It SORTS the email you receive. Their engine may or may not work that well, but I believe it's an idea whose time as come. Popular Science had a write-up a few months ago about the need for something like this. The idea is to train an AI to know what's important to you so if your busy, you'll only get informed of important, high-priority messages and not bothered with the newsletters. At work we use Groupwise, and I have Notify running in the system tray to tell me when new emails arrive, but I wish I could set it up to not inform me when I receive the daily company newsletter, I already know that will be in my inbox at 10:30.

    Basically, what this is designed to do, is sort your email for you, so you can start off with the important emails first, think of it as a advanced form of sending priority emails, except that the receiver is the person who decides what needs priority.

    From screen-shots, it looks like SNARF also has the ability to arrange emails by thread, like gmail does.

  9. Re:lol no its not a virus by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hasn't Microsoft screwed up email enough already?
    Not enough, apparently.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually see the development of something like this being subsidized by spam vendors - the next gen Outlook malware wil happily report that it has gone out of its way to find you other people who N33D $ B1GG3R PEN15, just like you, and enrolled you in 4 different "anti-virus products" that it has taken the liberty to "opt you into".

    Of course, it will also note that at one time you read Lord of the Rings, and you will be bombarded with offers for juvenile, poorly written fantasy with 1-dimensional characters and boring plots, as well as all sorts of cheap rings and other [tt]acky jewelry.

  10. Business landmine by lheal · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It also offers transportability if one of my employees moves on or if we bring someone on for a contract gig.


    If the mail is on gmail, it's theirs, not yours. When they leave, all that information goes with them. If the departure is ... untidy, that could mean anything from simple spam to having competitors know your trade secrets. If the departure has legal implications, you lose valuable leverage.


    Granted, a savvy employee can archive his email and keep it at home, or even plop an automatic dup in their .forward file, but most people don't do that. With gmail (or any free mail), they don't have to.



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  11. Re:Somebody please tell me they're kidding! by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I been using SNARF for a few weeks and have gotten some value out of it.

    If you get an extreme amount of email like I do, its a great way to get up to speed on things. You can prioritize them based on who is CC'd or see a nice graphical thread view that makes it easier to figure out what is going in.

    Its definately not something that's fully baked yet, but SNARF is a very interesting tool with alot of potential.

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  12. Re:Gave SNARF a try, but it had one critical flaw by geekwithsoul · · Score: 3, Informative

    I agree. I went ahead and tried it out and found it to be seriously lacking in useful features. I also have to question why it runs as a separate app instead of a plug-in for Outlook itself. You'd think Microsoft would have at least been able to integrate it into their own damn mail client.

    It is a mildly interesting tool poorly implementing a mildly interesting idea.