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Acting MA CIO Appointed, ODF A Go

Andy Updegrove writes "Massachusetts has appointed ITD COO Beth Pepoli as the acting CIO of the Commonwealth. At the same time, the Governor's Communications Director, Eric Fehrnstrom, has made the clearest statement yet that it is ODF that the new CIO will be implementing: 'There have been no changes in the commonwealth's published OpenDocument rules, and we are still on track for a January 2007 implementation.' We reported on the resignation of Peter Quinn in December.

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  1. acronym hell by User+956 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I didn't RTFA, but FWIW, ODF was nearly FUBAR.

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    1. Re:acronym hell by munehiro · · Score: 2, Funny

      Aw man... You just made me LOL and ROTFL :D...

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  2. This just in! by jacobcaz · · Score: 2, Funny

    This just in; the BRG is MK in the PRTW while the outgoing CTA is now fully assumed to be BFPLF.

  3. Summary of What ODF is/means by acaben · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can someone provide a quick summary of what ODF means for MA, and a timeline of events that has led up to this story so far? I keep seeing it mentioned, and yet no one ever goes into detail about why it matters.

    1. Re:Summary of What ODF is/means by diersing · · Score: 5, Informative

      Umm, a casual observer point of view is MS Office doesn't follow OpenDocument formatting so by saying the state will comply with ODF, they are giving MS the finger.

    2. Re:Summary of What ODF is/means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Among other things, ODF allows everyone, not just paying members of a private club, to exchange, edit and read documents. It also will open up the choice of vendors supplying software who can support this format. I think groklaw has a time-line there.

    3. Re:Summary of What ODF is/means by Doug+Coulter · · Score: 5, Informative

      Check out www.groklaw.net, which has been covering this and the M$ fud about it, as well as the SCO stuff. Basically, ODF is an open standard produced by a consortium of companies and released for public use with no patents, license fees or other encumberances. M$ could add support for it in a heartbeat (though it may not support all their bu...features) but is refusing to do so as that would place them in competition with the various other office suites that do support it -- and they might not win that one. After all, several of the suites that do support it are free as in free beer, as well as in free speech. M$ is responding that we should use their "open" (but not really) new xml format that they don't even support yet, and which has various legal problems for implementors. Peter Quinn, the CIO who used to have the job, quit because of an M$ funded witchhunt that got him a lot of bad publicity and negative attention. Of course, he was later found to be guiltless, but that little retraction only made it to page four, rather than page one where the accusations were made... See groklaw for more detail.

    4. Re:Summary of What ODF is/means by fritsd · · Score: 3, Informative

      It has turned into a major political FUD-fest, but one of the more important details is IMHO that Microsoft *chose* not to support their customer (Massachusetts)'s wish to open and save files in OpenDocument format, and instead they questioned why their customer made such a silly decision and who did they think they were anyway. Read the articles on groklaw (http://www.groklaw.net/); most news you read about this will be biased one way or another, but groklaw always also has the bare facts. Disclaimer: I don't like MS and I like groklaw.

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    5. Re:Summary of What ODF is/means by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Umm, a casual observer point of view is MS Office doesn't follow OpenDocument formatting so by saying the state will comply with ODF, they are giving MS the finger.

      An intelligent casual observer point of view is that a customer requested a better product, and their current supplier (instead of giving it to them) tried to get them fired. Imagine if McDonalds was supplying food for school lunches and the school asked for healthy food that met certain dietary requirements. You could well get a situation like this, where instead of supplying better food McDonalds went to talk to politicians over the school's head. The difference, of course, is that McDonalds is not a monopoly and actually does sell some healthy food. MS just wants to make sure everyone is stuck with whatever they supply forever, regardless of quality, cost, or legality.

  4. Since when do states have CxOs? by Caspian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sure I can't be the only one here who finds the continual blurring of lines between "state"/"country" and "corporation" a bit unnerving.

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    1. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by Foofoobar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, ODF is an attempt to maintain sovereignty and further separate state and corporation. By enforcinf the Open Document Format as the states choice, they guarantee that at any time in the future should older documents not work with current versions of software, that they as the state have the ability to modify existing open source code to ensure that older documents can either be converted to newer versions easily or will at least be accessible regardless of a corporations intelectual property, their development cycle, etc.

      It just maintains an oprganizations ability to access their own documents without waiting for a corporation to create some sort of backwards compatible solution on THEIR timeline rather than the states timeline.

      All in all a solid decision in theory. How it is implemented however can be an entirely different matter but conmsidering the intelligence and forethought that went into making this decision in the first place, it seems that implementation should be equally well thought out.

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    2. Re:Since when do states have CxOs? by crazdgamer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      State? How about counties?

      The county I'm in (not in MA) has very recently (within the last 12 months) created a CIO position and filled it.

      I'm guessing the reason for this is because the county executive wanted someone in charge of the government's technology needs that could be removed or replaced at will (this is a caveat of an apointed position). The way the organization is currently set up, there's a separate Information Systems department and the head of IS is a civil servant and can't be removed or demoted without cause (civil service laws require hearings and a whole-lot of red tape before anyone can be removed from a position against their will.) A impending re-organization will create a Department of Technology with the apointed CIO as the head.

      In summary: a government could have a CIO in order to have more control over their own technology policies.

  5. Groklaw by Tony · · Score: 4, Informative

    Groklaw has the skinny, and a comprehensive history.

    What it means for the commonwealth of Massachusetts: sovereingity.

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  6. Oh My God! by Eric+Damron · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Acting MA CIO Appointed, ODF A Go"

    I need help! I understood that!!!

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  7. Yeah, but... by sczimme · · Score: 2, Funny


    I need help! I understood that!!!

    I think it could have used another 'Go':

    "Acting MA CIO Appointed, ODF A Go Go"

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  8. Re:2nd Post Bitches! by thaerin · · Score: 3, Funny

    How's Stalin and his Free Software Movement?

    If you'd of read the FAQ and TPS Report you'd be ITK and not MIA.

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  9. Ob Good Morning Vietnam by jskiff · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P."

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  10. A gloss on the story by maggard · · Score: 5, Interesting

    OpenDocument is a published set of standards for office-type documents.

    This differs from the Microsoft Office formats in that they're fully documented, legally unencumbered, and reasonably easy to make use of (something the MS Office formats are, in spite of repeated claims of being "open", have never actually been in any substantive way.)

    This is important to the Commonwealth (= State) of Massachusetts as it recognizes it will need to be able to read it's digital files for decades, indeed centuries, into the future. MS Office and like applications have proven to be unable to read documents written by versions only a few years old.

    However it is hoped that by adopting a non-commercially-controlled standard files will be able to be read by applications yet undeveloped, from any vendor or source, without legal complexity.

    The other advantage is this also "levels the playing field" for all other applications by breaking the MS Office Format lock, and will thus enable government entities and those they interact with with stop paying the "Microsoft Tax".

    Microsoft has complained that this format excludes their products. It doesn't, they can develop a converter the same they have for all of the other competing formats their products read & (sometimes) write to.

    Microsoft has also taken steps to get their formats also set as a standard. Whether whatever ECMA eventually publishes is actually useful is an open question but has been clearly driven by this situation.

    Microsoft has also employed their PR & lobbying arms, having front organizations distribute disinformation about OpenDocument, it's effects, goals, etc.

    The most visible supporter of Massachusetts adopting OpenDocument was a civil servant, Peter Quinn.

    He was recently investigated for possible misuse of funds. This story received unusually prominent coverage by the leading local newspaper, on their front page.

    The without-cause finding received little coverage but the employee decided he wasn't interested working under this level of personal attack and has left civil service.

    The State Governor is about to run for US President and has a history of w ^H h ^H o ^H r ^H i ^H n ^H g accepting campaign contributions from interested parties, then making dubious appointments and policies.

    It was widely suspected the Governor would be announce a convenient policy change after Peter Quinn left (costs to run for President!)

    This story is that the policy won't change. Or at least, that is the story today. How aggresively the policy is implemented is another question, or if this policy will even stand once general attention to it has waned.

    The other good news is that many other levels and jurisdictions of governements have identical concerns about using MS's formats and are themselves considering alternatives, open formats, etc.

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  11. I Was Getting A Little Worried by canfirman · · Score: 2, Insightful
    'There have been no changes in the commonwealth's published OpenDocument rules, and we are still on track for a January 2007 implementation.'

    Well, that's good to hear. I was starting to wonder if the new interm CIO would be a friend of Redmond and would start to turn MA against ODF. Good for them to stick to their principles.

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  12. Re:How "standard" is ODF? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Informative

    Correct me if I am weong[sic], but ODF is only used by OOo and Suns Staroffice (which is the same thing, in a box, with phone support), so even though the format is open, which is undoubtably good, isnt it just locking into Sun because no one else reads / writes ODF?

    OK, you're wrong. ODF is an open format, thus no lock-in. Anyone can and will implement it. Koffice and WordPerfect have both announced that upcoming versions of their products will support it. OpenOffice is open source, so any company can modify and sell support for it. Even MS can support the format easily, they just don't want to because the benefits it brings, like the ability to migrate easily to other formats, might not allow them to gouge customers as easily. The lock-in part of the .doc format is that no one except MS can read/write it perfectly (and not even MS between versions).

    Moving to ODF is smart because it is not a lock-in. In five years when MA wants to evaluate new word processors, they can look at the features and prices of at least four different providers and choose the best fit, without worrying if they can read old files and without worrying about migration costs.

  13. Re:How "standard" is ODF? by eobanb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have little doubt in my mind that AbiWord and Apple will soon support OpenDocument as well.

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  14. Re:How "standard" is ODF? by GaryPatterson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apple released the spec for their Pages and Keynote document format. It's somewhere on their developer site (I downloaded it for interest's sake the other day).

    It's just a gzipped XML format - very simple to process.

    It would be a simple (but not trivial) task to write a converter to ODF, and any reasonable programmer could do it in a day or two. I'm tempted to write one in RealBASIC just for fun.

    Well... not a *lot* of fun, but fun nevertheless...