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New Way to Stimulate Brain to Release Antioxidants

Neopallium writes "A joint research effort between researchers at the Burnham Institute for Medical Research in La Jolla, CA, and a team from Japan (Iwate University, Osaka City University, Gifu University, Iwate Medical University) has discovered a novel way to treat stroke and neurodegenerative disorders. This approach works by inducing nerve cells in the brain and the spine to release natural antioxidants that protect nerve cells from stress and free radicals that lead to neurodegenerative diseases."

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  1. Very promising research - but is it just PR? by filenavigator · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The research even suggests that this therapy could help in the treatment of Lou Gehrig's, and Alzheimer's disease. This is some very interesting and promising stuff. Lets hope that this is not just some press release for a pharmaceutical company trying to push a drug they are working on.

    1. Re:Very promising research - but is it just PR? by frybacon · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Burnham Institute is a non-profit academic research facility.

    2. Re:Very promising research - but is it just PR? by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lets hope that this is not just some press release for a pharmaceutical company trying to push a drug they are working on.

      Considering that the article linked to is on an investment site which also reports lottery numbers and the article itself seems little more than a troll for donations put forward before the study itself has even been published. . .

      I wouldn't get my hopes up too high just yet.

      KFG

    3. Re:Very promising research - but is it just PR? by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      . . .a non-profit academic research facility.

      Whose raison d'etre is to patent and license their discoveries:

      http://www.burnham.org/TechnologyTransfer/Overview .asp

      Where on earth do people ever get the idea that a nonprofit is without profit motive? Trust me, I've served as an executive officer/director in both profit and and nonprofit corporations and they are both equally businesses before all else primarily concerned with grubbing money.

      KFG

  2. Woo-hoo... by codeshack · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... pomegranite juice injections in my spine. Why don't they hook me up with a white wine IV and save themselves the trouble?

    1. Re:Woo-hoo... by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Funny
      But did theirs go to 11?

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  3. even if they can do 50% of the article claim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Stimulating the brain on its own would be a great achievement for todays couch potatoes.. let alone releasing anti oxidants.

    -Sj53

  4. Amazing research by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

    According to the article, they use NEPPs (NEurite outgrowth-Promoting Prostaglandins) to activate the pathways to release the stress-reducing antioxidants. That's like how R2D2 is frequently used to run the elevators while Luke and Han are running around the Death Star.

  5. Not a Cure by Voltageaav · · Score: 4, Informative

    This won't cure anyone who already has it though. It's a preventative measure. It may get rid of these diseases in 30 years once it's been used widely, but it's not going to help anyone right now.

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    1. Re:Not a Cure by janek78 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not necessarily. If you have an ischemic stroke, some of the tissue will be lost beyond saving and undergo necrosis. There will however be a much larger region, called "the penumbra" (shadow) that will be subjected to a certain degree of ischemic damage. Much of this region will be damaged not by the ischemia itself, but by oxidative stress at reperfusion when blood with oxygen and nutriets starts flowing back into the tissue.

      Much as been tried to limit this reperfusion damage, including calcium channel blockers (e.g. nimodipine) and different antioxidants, but to no great success. You could argue that enhancing your antioxidative capacity before the reperfusion damage appears could limit the extend of damage to your brain. I remain carefully optimistic.

    2. Re:Not a Cure by nacturation · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But do you really want it as a preventative measure? FTFA:

      "At normal concentrations, glutamate acts as a neurotransmitter that nerves use to communicate. However, at excessive levels glutamate is toxic, resulting in over stimulation of nerve cells, known as excitotoxicity, and causing excessive stress on the nerve cells eventually ending in cell death."

      So if you counteract this, your nerves communicate less. Sounds like a tradeoff between higher mental capacity resulting in increased likelihood of nerve damage -vs- lower mental capacity but you get to use your brain longer. I know my brain works in rather strange ways at times -- I believe it's my quirks that give rise to periods of intense creativity -- and I wouldn't trade that for having a "normal" brain if that means also being more stupid and losing the benefits I experience.

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  6. This can't be good. by Spazntwich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps for treating specialized diseases, but like most drugs, if you force your brain to do things it normally shouldn't, like release more of a certain compound, you'll run into production and resistance issues, eventually requiring more and more for the same effect until bad things happen.

    I remain skeptical.

  7. Sounds familiar by snookumz · · Score: 5, Informative

    This sounds like protandim. Protandim was a nutritional supplement that was being touted as a life extension drug a while back. The idea was that the human body could never swallow enough anti-oxidants to make up for the fall off with age. Besides, acids in the stomach ruin most anyways. The researcher who made protandim got the idea of restimulating the bodies natural production of anti-oxidants. I believe they claimed a 400% increase in naturally produced anti-oxidant levels. There were quite a few scientific papers that showed beneficial effects to mice suffering from strokes. Unfortunately the company seems to have wavered on what their claims are. Over time, they stepped down from that less provable statement that it could extend lifespan. Still, I don't think anyone has refuted the positive effects. They just shouldn't have targeted the I want to live forever market.

    1. Re:Sounds familiar by weisen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Protandim" does not exist, at all, in MEDLINE (www.pubmed.gov), which means that there is essentially zero peer reviewed medical research on the drug, at least under its brand name.

      I had actually never seen the error message before:

      > The following term was not found and ignored: protandim.

      This work presently under discussion, at least, seems to involve a published line of investigation.

    2. Re:Sounds familiar by snookumz · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ah. While I was searching, I found this about it. So I guess it was proven as just another hoax. Probably should have looked it up before posting. Oh well. :)

  8. Tampering by Da3vid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You have to ask yourself, at what point is it time to just let it go? Is there a point to let it go? Maybe the point exists, maybe it doesn't, I expect its a relative outlook of moral perspective, but it seems that if there is a line somewhere, it can't be far away from where we are.

    -Da3vid-

  9. Jumping the gun by denebian+devil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems in this situation, such a complaint is jumping the gun a bit. First of all, this *is* talking about treating specialized diseases (as it says in the article, "stroke and neurodegenerative disorders". And in these cases, the brain is already "doing something it normally shouldn't." The drug is merely trying to restore it to a state of functioning normally.

    Second, while the possibility of resistance is always looming, a stroke or Alzheimer's patient may be willing to take that risk if it means even a slightly longer period of lucidity. Would you rather risk the *possibility* of the drug eventually causing problems or losing its effectiveness, or take instead the *certainty* of a progressive and insidious neurological disease?

    Certainly a new drug should not be taken lightly. For example, it may not yet be appropriate for someone who has learned of their diagnosis but have not yet degenerated very far. But once you've reached such a hopeless condition as to be completely debilitated, you (or those caring for you) may ask "What's the worst that could happen? At least with this there's hope."

  10. I'm all stressed out.. by Combas · · Score: 2, Funny

    "excessive levels glutamate is toxic, resulting in over stimulation of nerve cells, known as excitotoxicity, and causing excessive stress on the nerve cells eventually ending in cell death"

    Who knew stress was bad for you, eh?

  11. Brain antioxidants by possible · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One really has to wait for the study to be published before making any judgements.
    However, there have been quite a few promising studies (in both rats and people) showing that antioxidants dramatically reduce the extent of damage to the brain in both diseases of the brain and traumatic brain injury.

    Some of the studies I have read indicate that it should be possible to dramatically boost levels of brain antioxidants simply by ingesting antioxidants that are capable of crossing the blood-brain barrier. Compounds such as alpha-lipoic acid (which is both fat- and water-soluble) and curcumin (a component of the popular curry spice turmeric) are cheap, safe, and very powerful antioxidants that have been studied.

    From the press release, it sounds like the methods used in the study are pretty invasive expensive. I would like to see more long-term research using widely available antioxidant supplements. Unfortunately, since most medical research is funded by drug companies these days, we aren't likely to see lots of grants going to scientists who want to study non-patentable things like turmeric or vitamin C.

  12. A guaranteed way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...to stimulate the brain. Pr0n. Next problem, how to desensitize it.

  13. Re:Oxygen is needed... by geobeck · · Score: 3, Informative

    The dangerous free radicals that antioxidants decrease are not simply oxygen, but hydroxyl ions: OH-

    A great deal of biochemistry is governed not by stong covalent bonds, but by comparatively weak ionic bonds. You have dozens of different types of ions flowing through your body, all fulfilling different roles.

    Unfortunately, ordinary body processes produce ionic waste, such as free radicals. If you have too many free radicals in your bloodstream, they can bond with positive ions that would otherwise interact with other negative ions.

    A simple example of ions in your bloodstream is table salt. (There are many types of salt in your body, but everyone understands table salt.) When you eat salt (sodium chloride, NaCl), it dissolves in your body fluids and disassociates into its component ions, Na+ and Cl-. I'm not sure of the numbers; it's been a long time since high school biology, but different ions have different amounts of charge. I'm pretty sure Na+ and Cl- are both single-charge ions.

    So antioxidants don't rob your brain of valuable oxygen; they remove a harmful ionic waste product.

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  14. Re:I wonder if... by GWSuperfan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    More likely is that years of smoking pot would make this less necessary. The most current research indicates that cannabanoids (delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol being chief among them) stimulate processes in the brain that protect against both damage from chronic causes (i.e. Alzheimer's) and acute trauma. A Google search for "Alzheimer's" and "Marijuana" should yield some good starting points. And, pot has the added bonus of probably being much cheaper than any new drug or treatment that the pharmecutical companies are likely to come out with anytime soon. Just remember to fight terrorism and buy domestic.

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  15. Re:There is no line by zippthorne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is everyone that suffers some hardship described as "courageous?" Isn't it enough that they suffer the hardship without having to have some kind of character building personal revelation as a result? The next time you see a similar patient described in such a way, think about the question, "Does he have a will to live or a fear of death?"

    Does the answer to that question really matter?

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  16. TANSTAAFL! by Maxmin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The body's closed-loop system requires that the ingredients for making the anti-oxidants be available in good quantity. Today's hospitals are not exactly outposts of healthy nutritious food, and regular "allopathic" doctors are not very knowledgeable about nutrition. Last time a relative was in the hospital (my mom), they were serving white bread, processed turkey loaf, and what had to be frozen vegetable bits - your basic CHON food, but devoid of the phytonutrients the fresh fruits and veggies we're told to consume would contain.

    In other words, the same results can be obtained from the outside - the antioxidants already available in your food.

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  17. Abstract by daigu · · Score: 2, Informative

    The abstract is available and the whole article is available for purchase for those interested.

  18. Re:I wonder if... by wytcld · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Off topic, but reminds me of the recent research showing that those who smoke nothing but pot have lower lung cancer incidence than those who smoke nothing at all. Although the smoke does do some damage to the lungs, chemicals in it actually are protective - the opposite of the chemical effects from tobacco smoke.

    It would be appropriately weird if something that has added so much particularly to the musical culture of the last century has also been the preventer of both brain damage and lung cancer for many thousands of people, just as a side effect.

    I know if my back's out badly - which in the theory of many osteopaths restricts the flow of cerebro-spinal fluid and thus puts some pressure on the brain - pot is a great help in thinking more clearly (including thinking about how to get my back better). This would fit with the recent finding that people with recurrent back trouble evidence some brain shrinkage. The question would be: Would people with recurrent back trouble who are regular smokers exhibit less?

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