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Make an RFID-proof wallet

99luftballon writes "If, like me, you're more than a little concerned about the privacy aspects of RFID there's a useful enthusiast's web page on making your own RFID-blocking wallet. OK, it's never going to win any prizes for beauty or garner fashion awards but should be effective and seems perfectly practical. "

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  1. Effective, but hardly practical. by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Article summary is a trifle misleading...I was hoping to see a modification to a real wallet, not a wallet made out of duct tape with foil added.

    It seems to me that I could simply line the pockets of my actual wallet with foil...this would have several benefits over the duct-tape wallet:

    • Less foil used means less likelihood of your wallet settting off metal detectors at the airport.
    • Ability to remove foil when asked by TSA means I don't lose my wallet the first time I try to board an airplane with it.
    • Conventional wallet appearance means I can take out my wallet in public without looking like a gigantic nerd.
    • Avoiding duct tape design means my wallet won't ooze adhesive, get stuck in my pocket, randomly glue money and cards to itself, etc.
    • Avoiding duct tape design insures my wallet can actually survive the occasional trip through the washer and dryer.

    I'll admit that the duct tape wallet has a certain Red Green-esque appeal, but I'd rather have a more practical solution.
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    1. Re:Effective, but hardly practical. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      Conventional wallet appearance means I can take out my wallet in public without looking like a gigantic nerd.
      Considering how often you get a FP on slashdot... I don't think your wallet is going to make the slighest difference ;-)
    2. Re:Effective, but hardly practical. by bombadillo · · Score: 3, Informative

      My father in law has a duct tape wallet. It's proven to be very sturdy and no oozing adhesive. My wife ordered it as a gift. The best thing is that when the wallet did wear in one spot he recieved great customer service from the company. They not only sent him replacement duct tape they sent him an additional duct tape wallet at no charge.

    3. Re:Effective, but hardly practical. by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It seems to me that I could simply line the pockets of my actual wallet with foil...this would have several benefits over the duct-tape wallet:

      it would also last about five hours before wearing and needing replacement. I'd wager a properly constructed duct tape wallet with the foil embedded would last an order of magnitude longer than a quick fix foil solution.

      It's all a moot point anyway as RFID technology will quickly pass the point where simply tin foil will prevent remote snooping.

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    4. Re:Effective, but hardly practical. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Emvelope.com has a practical solution.

    5. Re:Effective, but hardly practical. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      How's that? Will the laws of physics change?

      Last I checked, a Faraday cage blocks radio waves, a critical component of RADIO Frequency Identification...

    6. Re:Effective, but hardly practical. by poincaraux · · Score: 2, Funny

      it would also last about five hours before wearing and needing replacement. I'd wager a properly constructed duct tape wallet with the foil embedded would last an order of magnitude longer than a quick fix foil solution.

      wow, an order of magnitude longer, eh? that's over two whole days! sign me up! :)

    7. Re:Effective, but hardly practical. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
      In other news, today President Bush requested congress pass a new bill mandatings special exemptions to the laws of physics for national security agencies.

      Mr. Bush said: "We're working. We're working hard, passing new laws to make sure our country is safe from terrorists. Those old laws were getting in our way. We need to prevent them from brining nucular devices into our country."

      When asked about the new bill proposal by the President, the head of the National Science Foundation hung his head and walked away, quietly crying.

    8. Re:Effective, but hardly practical. by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ability to remove foil when asked by TSA means I don't lose my wallet the first time I try to board an airplane with it.

      Not likely, actually. My wife is a former TSA employee (who couldn't stay on due to a health condition which precluded her from passing the now-required military medical examination), and from I've discussed with her, it actually isn't likely that you would lose the wallet. Metal objects can be taken on an airplane without too much difficulty as long as they can't be used as a stabbing weapon or a gun or something like that. For example, a wedding ring would definitely set off the metal detectors, but there's no reason you couldn't take it on the plane because it can't be used to kill anyone (well, it can for a specially-trained individual, but that's another story).

      In fact, with the recent security changes made by DHS, it isn't likely that you would even get a small pocket knife taken from you anymore.

    9. Re:Effective, but hardly practical. by demachina · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "It's all a moot point anyway as RFID technology will quickly pass the point where simply tin foil will prevent remote snooping."

      I think we are rapidly heading towards the sad day that if you are out in public WITHOUT a bunch of RFID tags broadcasting your ID at every portal you walk through that will flag you as a "person of interest" and lead to you being taken aside by security for questioning and possible detention. There will no doubt be other biometric measures to spot check and validate you are wearing the correct dog tags. Of course sometime soon we will begin to implanted the RFID tags at birth soon so at least minor surgery will be required to forge them. This will be done, of course, "to protect the children" from foul play.

      It would seem to me that with the current post 9/11, government and media hyped, paranoia that we are rapidly heading to a point where every government/business (and the two have so fused they are nearly one) is going to want to instantly know and validate the ID of everyone and instantaneously judge your threat level based on your credit history, criminal record, ethnic background and religious affiliation(Arab Muslim in particular). The day is coming soon where you will need clean RFID tags to enter any business, government office, subway station, or wait at a bus stop.

      What a wonderful safe world we would live in if it we could instantly spot a potential terrorist waiting for a bus and a send a team to rendition them to a prison in Eastern Europe for disposal. Minority report without the problematic R&D needed to develop the psychics. The psychics will be database miners who will spot and flag anyone whose daily routine of movement and financial transactions doesn't conform to social norms. The DOD and Poindexter in particular have already started this program several times. When its exposed and the outrage builds against it they just move it, rename it and continue developing it. This program really needs pervasive RFID tags to extend the database though.

      I often wonder how America and Britain survived before we had technology and started down the actual road to big brother police states. In the early 20th century you had "anarchists" filling the role of "terrorist" seeking to tear down civilization yet we mostly survived without a pervasive police state. Ironically civilization nearly destroyed itself in the overreaction when "anarchists", (though they were more nationalists than anarchists) killed an Arch Duke and the so called civilized world proceeded to nearly destroy itself with World War I.

      In the 30's we had bank robbers like Dillinger roving the country side and crossing state boundaries with impunity. If we had a pervasive police state, RFID tags and a national database, they wouldn't have lasted a week. Ironically at the time many people sided with, and idolized, the bank robbers for retaliating against the government and financial system that had wiped out their jobs and their life savings in the depression (a depression which rose out of a frenzied stockmart bubble of the roaring 20's where the stock brokers and stock market players were a million times more destructive and criminal than Dillinger ever was).

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    10. Re:Effective, but hardly practical. by jasonditz · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd say RTFA, but I don't think it'd help (it's light on theory).

      Probably start here, then head here for some background on what is being done here.

    11. Re:Effective, but hardly practical. by lhand · · Score: 2, Funny
      "Not only is it RFID-proof it's getting-laid proof too!"
      Best way for most of us to get laid is to pull out the wallet.
  2. Why would I want to do that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Then I'd have the inconvenience of having to remove my Metro Smartrip card from my wallet everytime I enter or exit a station.

  3. The Artist's Medium by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used to make duct tape wallets in high school but had a very bad experience with them. Most duct tape has a shiny backside that isn't very cohesive with the sticky substance on the underside. What happens is when these overlap or your design depends on these two surfaces to stick together, you get a mess.

    Now, there may be some kind of duct tape out there that avoids this issue, I'm not sure. Maybe these guys would know which brand is best but my wallet nearly destroyed my license at the time. Essentially, you need to look for duct tape that will adequately hold against itself when you need it to. After years of sliding it in and out of my back pocket and sitting on it, the tape started to smear against the shiny part and separate. As a result, the goo (bottom ply) and meshing (middle ply) were slipping out from underneath the shiny part (top ply) and getting goo all over my cards and ID.

    Essentially, it comes down to how many mils of adhesive you are working with. A lot of times, the more expensive stuff will have around 12 mils of glue which means that it is ideal for construction. However, this may result in more sliding and more goo seepage in your wallet. I would recommend something in between the range of 7.5 and 12 mils. You're not going to be concerned about tensile strength, just thickness and what the coating is on the back. If the coating is non bonding to the adhesive used, you don't want that tape!

    The actual design can be very much up to you although the article does provide a link to a nice standard model. I would suggest to try to use as many whole pieces as possible and when you're thinking about the design, rely on adhesive/adhesive bonds instead of adhesive/polyethylene since the cohesion is vastly different.

    So if you venture on this, for the love of god, RESEARCH THE TAPE! Honestly, I estimate the life of these things to be a month unless you want to also pay for a new license often. I think back to my dad's wallet which was this old beat up piece of leather with its seams showing. But he's had it as long as I can remember and that thing has taken a beating. There's a reason why wallets are made from leather.

    Remember, if you can't fix something with duct tape and WD-40, you're just not trying hard enough :-).

    If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not broken--keep me away from it!

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    1. Re:The Artist's Medium by XMilkProject · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In highschool I was a technician in the theater, and I can tell you from experience Gaff Tape is a FAR superior medium for wallet creation. (And clothing too!)

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  4. uhhhh...self defeating it seams by kryonD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So now I have to pull my rail pass out instead of just waiving my wallet or walking near the turn style...doesn't that defeat the point of the RFID objects you have inside your wallet.

    Why not just avoid getting the objects if you don't want to use them?

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    1. Re:uhhhh...self defeating it seams by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Why not just avoid getting the objects if you don't want to use them?"

      Because eventually, you won't have that choice. Passports, Driver's licenses, etc, will all require RFID tags.

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      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
  5. RFID proof - pah, we need women proof wallets by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    My missus has a knack of emptying my wallet before I even see the contents!
    After securing your wallet against the female gender, RFID should just bounce off by default.

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    1. Re:RFID proof - pah, we need women proof wallets by Otter · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think one of the benefits of a duct tape and aluminum foil wallet is that it will eliminate pretty much all female-related complexities from your life...

    2. Re:RFID proof - pah, we need women proof wallets by Rashdot · · Score: 2, Funny

      My missus has a knack of emptying my wallet before I even see the contents!


      Mine can spend money before I even earned it.

      Which proves that money can exceed the speed of light, once you're married.
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  6. Yay! A tinfoil wallet... by Fred+Or+Alive · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...to go with my tinfoil hat!

    I really don't get the paranoia about this RFID stuff, they mostly seem like fancy barcodes.

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    1. Re:Yay! A tinfoil wallet... by MarkGriz · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm going to make a tinfoil condom for my Speedpass after lunch.

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    2. Re:Yay! A tinfoil wallet... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I really don't get the paranoia about this RFID stuff, they mostly seem like fancy barcodes."

      Fancy barcodes that have your personal identifying information them, and can be scanned surreptitiously by any lurker with the right hardware & software.

      It's kind of hard not to notice someone trying to scan the barcode tattooed on your neck (plus, you could just wear a turtleneck). It's when they scan the RFID tag in your wallet that you'll never know when THEY are watching you.

      /Tinfoil hat half-on, in a rakishly dashing tilt.

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      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
  7. Greatest Invention Ever by BillLeeLee · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dresses, suits, RFID blocking wallets, is there no clothing or accessory you can't make with duct tape?

    I'm sure we'll be replacing our tinfoil hats with duct tape hats one of these days.

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  8. I had a foil wallet on /. a year ago by saskboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My old site (scroll to the bottom):
    http://www.angelfire.com/mt/woodmtn/insight.html [warning Lycos ads]
    Was in my signature nearly a year ago [April 7 2005]
    "...a new item the FOIL'ID AGAIN(TM) which is a foil wallet for passports and other RFID infested documents. RFID is cool in food packages, and books, but in ID it's just a bad idea. Someone could pick your pocket without your documents ever leaving your wallet, unless of course you invest in my FOIL'ID AGAIN(TM) product ;-)."

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  9. Shoppers Card? Ironic or silly? by gelfling · · Score: 5, Funny

    Concerned about privacy issue and the thing you're trying to protect is your VIP Shoppers card? Wow.

  10. Tinfoil wallet? by should_be_linear · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why not simply put my wallet under my hat?

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  11. Re:Which do you value? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, I'm willing to expose the massive, insured value of my Metro card to anyone about 3 inches away with the proper equipment in exchange for going through the device about 10 seconds quicker.

    And, in reality, it doesn't even matter, as the cards keep the value on themselves via smart chips. At worst, someone will erase my card! Oh no!

  12. I hate to lower myself to stereotyping, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Enormous duct-tape wallet? Check.

    Tinfoil-level black helicopter paranoia? Check.

    Frequent buffet diner card in quick-draw position in wallet? Check.

    Ladies and gentlemen, what we have here is a tinfoil-hat fatty who thinks the Smoking Man is after him. Imagine Fox Mulder as played by Chris Farley.

  13. Don't expose yourself by Saint37 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't carry anything with RFID tags holding information that you would not want to get out. If there is nothing to worth reading in your wallet the question is moot.

    http://www.stockmarketgarden.com/

  14. Re:Which do you value? by syrinx · · Score: 2, Informative

    Metro Smartrip cards don't have any personal ID or financial information on them, and nothing else in my wallet has an RFID chip in it. (I'm not the original poster, but I thought the same thing when I read the article [ok, the summary].)

    Besides, if someone's waving an RFID reader around my ass, I'd think I'd notice. These things don't have much of a range, you know.

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  15. Wouldn't... by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    an anti-static bag, like most computer parts are shipped, in work ?

  16. A more practical approach by Etyenne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A more practical approach, if you are only looking at stopping cusual walk-by snooping, would be to carry a conventionnal wallet into a pocket lined with aluminium foil.

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  17. Use a small metal box for your RFID cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    I just keep all my credit cards and RFID cards in a metal business card holder. I tested it with a RFID reader and it works just fine. Even better is to use a ground wire. At home this is no problem as I was able to make a stretch curly cable connected to the box with the other end connected to a water pipe. Outside I use a small wire running through a hole in my pocket connected to a small length of chain that drags along the ground when I walk. Be sure to make the chain long enough to bridge any insulated flooring that you might have to cross.

    I also transfered all my credit cards to plain blank cards by copying the magnetic card stripes on to blanks that I buy through a Panamanian company in bulk. Unfortunately, this has two disadvantages:

    1. It's difficult to figure out which card is which.
    2. Shop owners are often reluctant to accept my credit card.

    Thankfully, for me this is generally never a problem, because I'm almost always stay at home in my home-made Faraday cage, in order to protect myself from the NSA mind control beams.

  18. freezer bag by willwarner · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It might be faster, easier, less glue-y, and even a trifle less geeky to toss the whole wallet into a foil-lined freezer bag, then fold that up and put it in your pocket. I think Ziploc makes them.

  19. What Would MacGyver Do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    A foil gum wrapper opens up to the size of a credit card. I placed a wrapper in the card pocket of my wallet to keep my Amex Blue's RFID from being read. Unfortunately it blocks the rest of the cards in my wallet, and I have to remove my ID to get RFID door/building access. I'll take security over convenience on this one.

  20. Excellent by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Funny

    You may be interested in funding my next startup.

    We're marketing a line of trend-conscious tinfoil hats with interior pockets for all your RFID-taged personal items. So far, we've come up with a few prototypes for different markets:

    (1) Baseball cap: The Toyota "Psyon" (get it?) of TFHs -- stylish and cost-conscious. We expect this to be our biggest seller, since the male 15-24 demographic is most likely to be aware of the dangers apparent with RFID; they are also most likely to perpetuate a trend involving tinfoil hats. Also, lower price-point than other models.
    (2) Fedora: Stylish and useful, the luxury minivan of TFHs. For those in either law enforcement or organized crime who have their own reasons for hiding their activity.

    (3) Sombrero: The SUV of TFHs. Spacious pockets and high-powered shielding; will even protect neckwear from overhead surveillance. Mexican illegals may find this one both culturally acceptable and useful to avoid INS. Plus, the plan is that it'll catch on in major cities, as our marketing team has identified a potential demand for the "Urban Tin-foil Sombrero".

    (4) Yarmulka: This product is designed for a niche market. While pocketroom and coverage is minimal, the market is obligated to wear one. Why not ours, eh? Also, may find a second market amongst people who desire a disguised TFH -- easily hidden under a old-fashioned (traditional, or non-tinfoil hat).

    Please contact me at your earliest convenience to discuss this amazing business opportunity. With a modest initial investment, you can be a partner in utilizing the output of soon-to-be-acquired tin mines in order to maximize the earnings potential of these synergistic products.

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  21. Serious need here by AK__64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think this is a legitamate question that needs to be addressed by wallet manufacturers. There are uses for RFID that need to be shielded until I say that I want them scanned. I don't think a duct tape wallet is a long-term solution, so Slashdotters, get busy... Also, would it be possible for my card, whatever it may be, to be scanned twice at the same moment? What if I took an RFID scanner and lurked around a stationary scanner, would it be possible for me to pick up people's RFID info?

  22. Abandoning research? by itomato · · Score: 2, Funny


    After so many years of research in the field of tin foil hats, why are they going for duct tape?



    Where's the leather?



    Where's the Velostat TM?

  23. British ID cards will contain RFID chips by UpnAtom · · Score: 3, Informative
    Not only will the ID bill compulsorily number every British citizen thereby creating by far the most intrusive Stasi database ever but they will also contain RFID chips.

    Most people don't know how scary Britain has become in the last 12 months. In addition to their other Nazi laws, only yesterday it was leaked that Blair is going to tap MPs phones.

  24. What do you get if you combine... by corvenus · · Score: 4, Funny

    What do you get if you combine the words "Duct" and "Tape"? Dupe!

  25. A more practical approach: Normal Wallet and Foil by twitter · · Score: 2, Interesting
    A more practical approach, if you are only looking at stopping cusual walk-by snooping, would be to carry a conventionnal wallet into a pocket lined with aluminium foil.

    Why not just line a nice wallet with foil? The quick and dirty way is to put a large piece of foil in the billfold section. If you want to get fancy, unstitch the liner and shove the foil between the leather and the liner, then stitch it back. This might take a little longer than making a wallet from duct tape, but it will look much nicer and much less kooky.

    It's going to be worth my effort to take my pass card out of my wallet if the door opener at work can also read my credit cards. The people at work use M$ for all sorts of stuff, so I imagine it's easy to own the card reader.

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  26. Security industry. by InnereNacht · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work for a small security outfit and we put in access control systems with RFID tag badges, fobs, etc. The chances of someone carrying around a reader and the equipment needed to decode whatever cards they find is pretty minimal, and with the minimal read range of the ID tags you need to have a pretty serious setup to get a valid read. Even the standard size proximity card reader can only read at a range of about 2-4" max. HID makes a reader called the Pro Prox that is about 15" x 15" and has a read range of around a foot. I wouldn't worry so much. Nobody is going to be snagging your credit card numbers from space. If you see someone walking around with a backpack and a car battery tied to his leg and your hair stands on end when you get within a couple feet, then maybe be concerned. These readers really aren't what people make them out to be. Hell, most of the smaller RFID devices require contact with the reader to work.

  27. Lets get technical by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Insightful
    So stop all discussion about the bloody stupid political implications or rants about fashion or the use of foil hats.

    What does it actually take to stop RFID from reading a card. What materials, what thickness, goes it need to enclose completly or not.

    Is there a way to generate interference so I could have a constant empty field around my wallet? A card that constantly broadcasts fake info?

    Would such a thing be legal? Is the spectrum this works in free?

    Oh okay, why should you want to? BECAUSE!

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  28. Re:Duct-tape wallet by ottothecow · · Score: 2, Informative
    The wallet guide omits the crucial step of making the inner portion of the wallet cut slightly angled ( like this: /--\ ) so that it holds the proper shape when fully loaded. Additionally, this means that wallet will "pop" slightly open when you open it for ease of adding and removing its contents.

    Also, commercially produced inserts can be integrated into the wallet for excellent multiple card/picture storage and acetate can be combined with ducttape to create a clear pocket.

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  29. Re:Effective And Practical by Mikkeles · · Score: 2, Insightful
    'Line your wallet with adhesive-backed aluminum tape.'

    Available here.

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