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Make an RFID-proof wallet

99luftballon writes "If, like me, you're more than a little concerned about the privacy aspects of RFID there's a useful enthusiast's web page on making your own RFID-blocking wallet. OK, it's never going to win any prizes for beauty or garner fashion awards but should be effective and seems perfectly practical. "

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  1. Effective, but hardly practical. by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Article summary is a trifle misleading...I was hoping to see a modification to a real wallet, not a wallet made out of duct tape with foil added.

    It seems to me that I could simply line the pockets of my actual wallet with foil...this would have several benefits over the duct-tape wallet:

    • Less foil used means less likelihood of your wallet settting off metal detectors at the airport.
    • Ability to remove foil when asked by TSA means I don't lose my wallet the first time I try to board an airplane with it.
    • Conventional wallet appearance means I can take out my wallet in public without looking like a gigantic nerd.
    • Avoiding duct tape design means my wallet won't ooze adhesive, get stuck in my pocket, randomly glue money and cards to itself, etc.
    • Avoiding duct tape design insures my wallet can actually survive the occasional trip through the washer and dryer.

    I'll admit that the duct tape wallet has a certain Red Green-esque appeal, but I'd rather have a more practical solution.
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    1. Re:Effective, but hardly practical. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      Conventional wallet appearance means I can take out my wallet in public without looking like a gigantic nerd.
      Considering how often you get a FP on slashdot... I don't think your wallet is going to make the slighest difference ;-)
    2. Re:Effective, but hardly practical. by bombadillo · · Score: 3, Informative

      My father in law has a duct tape wallet. It's proven to be very sturdy and no oozing adhesive. My wife ordered it as a gift. The best thing is that when the wallet did wear in one spot he recieved great customer service from the company. They not only sent him replacement duct tape they sent him an additional duct tape wallet at no charge.

    3. Re:Effective, but hardly practical. by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It seems to me that I could simply line the pockets of my actual wallet with foil...this would have several benefits over the duct-tape wallet:

      it would also last about five hours before wearing and needing replacement. I'd wager a properly constructed duct tape wallet with the foil embedded would last an order of magnitude longer than a quick fix foil solution.

      It's all a moot point anyway as RFID technology will quickly pass the point where simply tin foil will prevent remote snooping.

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    4. Re:Effective, but hardly practical. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      How's that? Will the laws of physics change?

      Last I checked, a Faraday cage blocks radio waves, a critical component of RADIO Frequency Identification...

    5. Re:Effective, but hardly practical. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
      In other news, today President Bush requested congress pass a new bill mandatings special exemptions to the laws of physics for national security agencies.

      Mr. Bush said: "We're working. We're working hard, passing new laws to make sure our country is safe from terrorists. Those old laws were getting in our way. We need to prevent them from brining nucular devices into our country."

      When asked about the new bill proposal by the President, the head of the National Science Foundation hung his head and walked away, quietly crying.

    6. Re:Effective, but hardly practical. by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ability to remove foil when asked by TSA means I don't lose my wallet the first time I try to board an airplane with it.

      Not likely, actually. My wife is a former TSA employee (who couldn't stay on due to a health condition which precluded her from passing the now-required military medical examination), and from I've discussed with her, it actually isn't likely that you would lose the wallet. Metal objects can be taken on an airplane without too much difficulty as long as they can't be used as a stabbing weapon or a gun or something like that. For example, a wedding ring would definitely set off the metal detectors, but there's no reason you couldn't take it on the plane because it can't be used to kill anyone (well, it can for a specially-trained individual, but that's another story).

      In fact, with the recent security changes made by DHS, it isn't likely that you would even get a small pocket knife taken from you anymore.

  2. Why would I want to do that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Then I'd have the inconvenience of having to remove my Metro Smartrip card from my wallet everytime I enter or exit a station.

  3. The Artist's Medium by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used to make duct tape wallets in high school but had a very bad experience with them. Most duct tape has a shiny backside that isn't very cohesive with the sticky substance on the underside. What happens is when these overlap or your design depends on these two surfaces to stick together, you get a mess.

    Now, there may be some kind of duct tape out there that avoids this issue, I'm not sure. Maybe these guys would know which brand is best but my wallet nearly destroyed my license at the time. Essentially, you need to look for duct tape that will adequately hold against itself when you need it to. After years of sliding it in and out of my back pocket and sitting on it, the tape started to smear against the shiny part and separate. As a result, the goo (bottom ply) and meshing (middle ply) were slipping out from underneath the shiny part (top ply) and getting goo all over my cards and ID.

    Essentially, it comes down to how many mils of adhesive you are working with. A lot of times, the more expensive stuff will have around 12 mils of glue which means that it is ideal for construction. However, this may result in more sliding and more goo seepage in your wallet. I would recommend something in between the range of 7.5 and 12 mils. You're not going to be concerned about tensile strength, just thickness and what the coating is on the back. If the coating is non bonding to the adhesive used, you don't want that tape!

    The actual design can be very much up to you although the article does provide a link to a nice standard model. I would suggest to try to use as many whole pieces as possible and when you're thinking about the design, rely on adhesive/adhesive bonds instead of adhesive/polyethylene since the cohesion is vastly different.

    So if you venture on this, for the love of god, RESEARCH THE TAPE! Honestly, I estimate the life of these things to be a month unless you want to also pay for a new license often. I think back to my dad's wallet which was this old beat up piece of leather with its seams showing. But he's had it as long as I can remember and that thing has taken a beating. There's a reason why wallets are made from leather.

    Remember, if you can't fix something with duct tape and WD-40, you're just not trying hard enough :-).

    If it's not stuck and it's supposed to be, duct tape it. If it's stuck and it's not supposed to be, WD-40 it. If it's not broken--keep me away from it!

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  4. uhhhh...self defeating it seams by kryonD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So now I have to pull my rail pass out instead of just waiving my wallet or walking near the turn style...doesn't that defeat the point of the RFID objects you have inside your wallet.

    Why not just avoid getting the objects if you don't want to use them?

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    1. Re:uhhhh...self defeating it seams by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Why not just avoid getting the objects if you don't want to use them?"

      Because eventually, you won't have that choice. Passports, Driver's licenses, etc, will all require RFID tags.

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      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
  5. RFID proof - pah, we need women proof wallets by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    My missus has a knack of emptying my wallet before I even see the contents!
    After securing your wallet against the female gender, RFID should just bounce off by default.

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    1. Re:RFID proof - pah, we need women proof wallets by Otter · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think one of the benefits of a duct tape and aluminum foil wallet is that it will eliminate pretty much all female-related complexities from your life...

  6. Greatest Invention Ever by BillLeeLee · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dresses, suits, RFID blocking wallets, is there no clothing or accessory you can't make with duct tape?

    I'm sure we'll be replacing our tinfoil hats with duct tape hats one of these days.

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  7. I had a foil wallet on /. a year ago by saskboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My old site (scroll to the bottom):
    http://www.angelfire.com/mt/woodmtn/insight.html [warning Lycos ads]
    Was in my signature nearly a year ago [April 7 2005]
    "...a new item the FOIL'ID AGAIN(TM) which is a foil wallet for passports and other RFID infested documents. RFID is cool in food packages, and books, but in ID it's just a bad idea. Someone could pick your pocket without your documents ever leaving your wallet, unless of course you invest in my FOIL'ID AGAIN(TM) product ;-)."

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  8. Shoppers Card? Ironic or silly? by gelfling · · Score: 5, Funny

    Concerned about privacy issue and the thing you're trying to protect is your VIP Shoppers card? Wow.

  9. Tinfoil wallet? by should_be_linear · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why not simply put my wallet under my hat?

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  10. I hate to lower myself to stereotyping, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Enormous duct-tape wallet? Check.

    Tinfoil-level black helicopter paranoia? Check.

    Frequent buffet diner card in quick-draw position in wallet? Check.

    Ladies and gentlemen, what we have here is a tinfoil-hat fatty who thinks the Smoking Man is after him. Imagine Fox Mulder as played by Chris Farley.

  11. Don't expose yourself by Saint37 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't carry anything with RFID tags holding information that you would not want to get out. If there is nothing to worth reading in your wallet the question is moot.

    http://www.stockmarketgarden.com/

  12. Re:Yay! A tinfoil wallet... by MarkGriz · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm going to make a tinfoil condom for my Speedpass after lunch.

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  13. A more practical approach by Etyenne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A more practical approach, if you are only looking at stopping cusual walk-by snooping, would be to carry a conventionnal wallet into a pocket lined with aluminium foil.

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  14. Use a small metal box for your RFID cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    I just keep all my credit cards and RFID cards in a metal business card holder. I tested it with a RFID reader and it works just fine. Even better is to use a ground wire. At home this is no problem as I was able to make a stretch curly cable connected to the box with the other end connected to a water pipe. Outside I use a small wire running through a hole in my pocket connected to a small length of chain that drags along the ground when I walk. Be sure to make the chain long enough to bridge any insulated flooring that you might have to cross.

    I also transfered all my credit cards to plain blank cards by copying the magnetic card stripes on to blanks that I buy through a Panamanian company in bulk. Unfortunately, this has two disadvantages:

    1. It's difficult to figure out which card is which.
    2. Shop owners are often reluctant to accept my credit card.

    Thankfully, for me this is generally never a problem, because I'm almost always stay at home in my home-made Faraday cage, in order to protect myself from the NSA mind control beams.

  15. Serious need here by AK__64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think this is a legitamate question that needs to be addressed by wallet manufacturers. There are uses for RFID that need to be shielded until I say that I want them scanned. I don't think a duct tape wallet is a long-term solution, so Slashdotters, get busy... Also, would it be possible for my card, whatever it may be, to be scanned twice at the same moment? What if I took an RFID scanner and lurked around a stationary scanner, would it be possible for me to pick up people's RFID info?

  16. British ID cards will contain RFID chips by UpnAtom · · Score: 3, Informative
    Not only will the ID bill compulsorily number every British citizen thereby creating by far the most intrusive Stasi database ever but they will also contain RFID chips.

    Most people don't know how scary Britain has become in the last 12 months. In addition to their other Nazi laws, only yesterday it was leaked that Blair is going to tap MPs phones.

  17. What do you get if you combine... by corvenus · · Score: 4, Funny

    What do you get if you combine the words "Duct" and "Tape"? Dupe!

  18. Security industry. by InnereNacht · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work for a small security outfit and we put in access control systems with RFID tag badges, fobs, etc. The chances of someone carrying around a reader and the equipment needed to decode whatever cards they find is pretty minimal, and with the minimal read range of the ID tags you need to have a pretty serious setup to get a valid read. Even the standard size proximity card reader can only read at a range of about 2-4" max. HID makes a reader called the Pro Prox that is about 15" x 15" and has a read range of around a foot. I wouldn't worry so much. Nobody is going to be snagging your credit card numbers from space. If you see someone walking around with a backpack and a car battery tied to his leg and your hair stands on end when you get within a couple feet, then maybe be concerned. These readers really aren't what people make them out to be. Hell, most of the smaller RFID devices require contact with the reader to work.