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Vint Cerf Answering Questions on Top-Level Domains

penciling_in writes "Over at CircleID, Vint Cerf is taking question from the community Slashdot-style with regards to top level domains. 'As most readers are no doubt aware, when it comes to the topic of Top-Level Domains (TLDs), Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) takes center stage. From the existing .com and .net TLDs to the newly introduced and future releases, in the past years we witnessed the increasing level of discussions around Top-Level Domains painted -- ever so often -- with political, legal and technical debates. Vint Cerf, Google's VP and Chief Internet Evangelist, who has served as chairman of the board of ICANN since the November of 1999 has accepted CircleID's invitation to directly respond to your questions on the topic. This is your opportunity to have your Top-Level Domain related questions responded by Vint Cerf.'"

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  1. my first question would have to be... by vena · · Score: 4, Interesting

    is there a real use for having TLDs anymore? no one follows the current rules to any reasonable extent, and it just seems more an artificial way of creating a market sphere, such as how a .com appears more legitimate than a .net for a business regardless of its position in network services. as of now, they provide no discernable organisational structure to speak of imho...

    1. Re:my first question would have to be... by jon787 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Which is why one of the political parties has gop.gov

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    2. Re:my first question would have to be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      slashdot is a non-profit organization since when? :)

    3. Re:my first question would have to be... by Baloo+Ursidae · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Oh, yeah, .edu is super-strict alright. That's why we have omsi.edu, when the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry isn't a 4-year accredited university (they really should have omsi.museum instead).

      Another local example: Portland Community College is pcc.edu. PCC isn't a 4-year school, so it properly should be cc.portland.or.us

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  2. Wiki! by Aquatopia17 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about a .wiki TLD? It's just crazy enough to work, considering the countless wikis to be found out there. Wiki Wiki Wiki!

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  3. Pretend I am Jon Postel... by RedLeg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Pretend that I am Jon Postel, still alive, and I have cornered you an the hallway at IETF.

    Defend to me, on grounds that you know I (Jon Postel) would accept, the decision to kill the .XXX domain.

    Remember (and I am not reminding you, sir) that registration in that domain is not mandatory for ANYONE.

    Yes, we've met (at IETF), and no, I will not tell you who I am.

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    1. Re:Pretend I am Jon Postel... by blair1q · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Its pointless. Unless you make it mandatory, there's no reason for a porn site to use it, as many places will block .xxx by default. And making it mandatory is a violation of free speech.

      That's fallacious.

      Any porn site will have a .xxx presence simply to improve its exposure to searches.

      If sites block them, that saves the porn sites that are wholly within .xxx from having to implement those silly "click here if you are under 18" portal windows.

      Frankly, there's no reason grounded in anything other than sheer bloody-mindedness to deny any TLD the light of day. It's just a part of a string used to address a worldwide table of IP associations, and the rest of the string is free-form and totally unrestrictable (except as to character set and length).

  4. Re:Like... by fr1kk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a student who is rather naive to the process of managing domains, what kind of process is involved when it comes to deciding a new top level domain? Also, aside from the given national domains, what is the life cycle of a potential domain that could possibly come to existance, and how do external groups affect the decision (i hate to be cliche, but for example: .xxx domains and the pressure from right wing groups to prevent the domain from allowing a general 'acceptance' of the genre .xxx assumes)? -Blaine

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  5. Kind of not totally on topic, but must be asked... by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why did you leave MCI just before its acquisition by Verizon was completed? What do you see the future holding for Verizon?

  6. .biz, .info, .museum, .aero - phase out? by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Is it time to phase out some TLDs as unsuccessful?
    • .BIZ The Internet's equivalent of a strip mall in a bad neighborhood. No major company has its primary domain in .biz. Its reputation is that bad. It's used mostly by spammers, scammers, and other low-lifes.
    • .INFO There's some use of .info, but not much. Is it worth the trouble?
    • .MUSEUM The number of museums in this TLD is so tiny there's a single page that lists all of them. Yet most of the big names in museums aren't there.
    • .AERO Supposedly for the aviation industry, it's almost totally unused. The registrar has put up redirect pages for the major airport codes, such as LAX, but many of those are broken or redirect to the wrong page.

    When considering any new TLDs, it's worth looking at how these TLDs, from ICANN's first wave of expansion, worked out.

  7. Control by flyingember · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Given that top level domains were initially created to give a sense of order to the internet, before user@schoolname was more the rule, it seem .com would ONLY be given to commercial groups, .net to networks, etc. I was reading RFC 1480 and it looks like even as late as 1993 a restructure of the US domain system could have been created along the lines of how foreign countries do it. bbc.co.uk would thus be a british site, and bbc.co.us could be bbc americas domain. Instead we have a hodgepodge of international mixes. Thus my question is, why all the chaos in how they were assigned?

  8. MCI by 1310nm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a fellow at MCI (please correct me if I'm wrong), what was your day-to-day activity like? I grok things as far up the technological chain as network engineering, but I never had insight into the work of a visionary at MCI.

    BTW, it's great to be rid of the MCI name now that we're Verizon Business, and I wish you luck at Google.

  9. Firefox quick searches by typical · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With Firefox:

    Step 1: Type "google" into URL bar. Watch as www.google.com appears (thanks to a Google I Feel Lucky search).

    Step 2: Right click on the search text field, and choose "Add a Keyword for this Search".

    Step 3: Enter "gg" into the Keyword field in the dialog that appears (and whatever you want in the Name field).

    Step 4: You can now type "gg foobar" to Google for "foobar".

    Konqueror does something similar with "gg:", not "gg ".

    I believe that Firefox ships default with "google" as a Google search keyword (though it's been a long time since I've done a clean installation, so I'm not sure), and I believe that "wp foobar" now does a Wikipedia search for "foobar" by default.

    If you want to have a quick search on Google Images with SafeSearch disabled (*without* having to log in -- yes, it is possible, even if Google makes it non-obvious how to do this), bookmark the following link and give it a keyword.

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  10. Forget Top Level Domains, Tell Us About 2nd Level by Schlemphfer · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've noticed that anytime a domain expires, it doesn't go back into the unused pool and become available to someone else. Most or all of the expired domain names get instantly sucked up the moment they expire by companies nobody's ever heard of that (I suppose) have contracts with the top domain registrars. I suppose this amounts to thousands or tens of thousands of domain names vanishing from circulation each year; domains that I have to think are essentially ransomed off by these bulk buyers, one by one, to anyone who really, really wants it.

    I've got to think that, when purchased in bulk, it costs pennies, or perhaps tenths or even hundredths of pennies, in actual administrative costs to keep these domains registered each year.

    Since costs of maintaining registration for expired domains can approach nothing, are we at risk of these re-registration companies eventually having permanent ownership of nearly every domain a person might think to register? Might it not be in the public interest to have a minimum annual registration fee per domain (say, three dollars), to help ensure that domains aren't held in perpetuity by speculators?

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  11. Re:Wiki!.. Forget Wiki, think ".blog" by asliarun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    IMHO, a ".blog" TLD makes so much more sense. There are millions of weblogs anyway, and they're only growing at an exponential rate. This categorization will also, in one fell swoop, largely alleviate the trackback link problem that so many search engines are facing, and allow spiders/bots to easily differentiate between a weblog and a regular content/news site.

  12. Re:Wiki!.. Forget Wiki, think ".blog" by typical · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I dunno. I know that you're thinking of a personal journal kept online by people, but consider that Slashdot could be considered a "blog", and that there is increasing use of corporate blogs. The DNS hierarchy is slow to adapt -- once we move to a new TLD, we're stuck with it for a while. The nature of what a blog even is, in the presence of new systems for social networking and so forth, is rapidly changing.

    I'm not sure that search engines might be able to do a better job of identifying blogs than blog authors do, if there is indeed a link problem (for example, Groklaw is very different from a personal blog), then I would suggest that this is better addressed by the search engine maintainers.

    For that matter, I'm not even certain that blogs are really over-weighted -- they seem to often be up-to-date and do a good job of spreading useful information.

    Also, some sites are not dedicated blogs -- why stuff a blog in a different domain? I mean, sure, Verisign would love this (since they'd be able to rent additional domains), but ultimately I'm not sure that storing different content in different domains fits with the existing DNS scheme well.

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