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Microsoft Responds to Blu-Ray Comments

Next Generation reports that Microsoft's willingness to support Blu-Ray on the 360 was highly overrated. From the article: "The question of whether Xbox 360 has the flexibility to adapt to consumers' needs is a different issue entirely. Xbox 360 is a future-proofed system - one that allows us to add features as consumers demand them - as evidenced by our offering of the HD-DVD drive as an accessory. Current reports indicating that we have a back-up plan, which includes Blu-Ray support are incorrect. At this point, we're fully committed to HD-DVD and have absolutely no plans to support other optical formats." IE: They have the option of adding Blu-Ray if it turns out HD-DVD is a flop. We've reported on this claim earlier.

25 comments

  1. It all depends on the DRM by Stachybotris · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If Sony decides to heavily DRM the PS3 and, by extension, the Blu-Ray discs, Microsoft won't have to worry. I'd rather pick up an Xbox 360 w/ HD-DVD than a heavily-DRM'd PS3 that I can't let friends borrow games for.

    1. Re:It all depends on the DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, but when your choice is between a PS3 with heavily DRMed Blu-Ray and an Xbox360 with heavily DRMed HD-DVD, which will you choose then?

    2. Re:It all depends on the DRM by Ayaress · · Score: 1

      In my case, still the 360. Provided Sony does follow through with the one specific bit of DRM they've talked about in the past. Remember the article a while back, when Sony wanted to stop "abuses" like game rentals and used-game resale? Their plan was basically that when a game disk is first run, the console will mark it somehow so that the game will no longer run on any other PS3 hardware. If they do follow through with this - and I'm still moderately confident they won't - I'll go with the 360.

    3. Re:It all depends on the DRM by gabebear · · Score: 1

      The specs are officially finished and Blu-Ray and HD-DVD have almost exactly identical DRM.

      What really puzzles me is that both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD require an HDMI connection to output high-def content, the specs clearly state that any content going out over analog connections must be downconverted to standard definition... the XBox360 only has analog video connections(component, VGA, S-Video, and composite).

      Unless MS hid an HDMI connector somewhere on the 360 and didn't tell anyone, then this is going to make the HD-DVD drive very hackish.

    4. Re:It all depends on the DRM by Stachybotris · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In that case, I'd have to go with the PS3 just to keep my old games around. But the porn industry will determine which format wins anyway.

    5. Re:It all depends on the DRM by dave1212 · · Score: 1

      A Revolution and a DS for the same price as a 360 or PS3. hopefully.

  2. I wish by Song+for+the+Deaf · · Score: 1

    I know this is pure fantasy, but I wish someone could make a damn universal format player so we can all say "sorry, guys, we won't take part in VHS/BETA wars part deaux."

    A format war- anyone old enough to remember VHS and BETA sections in the rental place (with different selections) will know what an utter pain in the arse awaits consumers. With Sony owning a movie studio this time around things will no doubt be interesting.

    1. Re:I wish by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      It doesn't seem to happen as often with other computer hardware.

      For "some reason" it always happens with removable media.

      I don't think it's a coincidence: The people are organizing as one group and since they all speak the same language, nothing they imagine to do will be held back from them. Let us go down and confuse their language, so that they cannot understand each other's speech.

      Someone at the MPAA/media conglomerates must be a fan of the Bible.

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    2. Re:I wish by Ekarderif · · Score: 1

      The difference is between this and Betamax/VHS is that both types of discs will be equal in size (same size as current CDs/DVDs) and relatively same hardware implementations (405 nm lasers). The only real difference is the format/density that the discs are in. There is no reason that two decoders cannot simultaneously exist on the same platform. Of course, judging by how Sony is behaving, they'll probably prevent licenses to anyone showing support to HD-DVD. After all, what use are DRMs if people simply switch formats?

    3. Re:I wish by cgenman · · Score: 1

      I wish someone could make a damn universal format

      MPEG 2?

      I mean, that's what VCD, DVD, and now HD-DVD are based on. I can't think of any consumer standard more universal.

    4. Re:I wish by Song+for+the+Deaf · · Score: 1

      Not that I don't appreciate you taking me completley out of context to make a cute little comment...but reread my comment and you'll see the problem is much simpler.

      If you buy a blu-ray player you won't be able to play HD-DVD and vice versa. I think this sucks. Perhaps some intellegent person would make it possible to circumvent this in an easy, consumer friendly manner, i.e. a universal player. Myself and many other folks would reward their ingenuity with vast amounts of cash and adulation. Of course, I acknolwedged at the beginning of my post that it's a complete fantasy on my part.

  3. BluRay Won - Fucking Deal With It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=12735

    The 120+ million PS3s that are going to be sold over the next five years + near 100% movie content + porn support means that any talk of a 'format war' ARE OVER.

    Thank you for playing HD-DVD and Microsoft - but YOU LOSE. Stop wasting your time with an expensive add-on to a failed console to play content for a losing format.

    BluRay + Java - it's always nice when the superior technology wins.

    1. Re:BluRay Won - Fucking Deal With It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 120+ million PS3s that are going to be sold over the next five years + near 100% movie content + porn support means that any talk of a 'format war' ARE OVER.

      I didn't realize that someone had invented a time machine yet ...

      The truth is that the PS3 may sell well but nothing is ensured yet; the PS3 could still be too expensive (analysts have it at $500, with games in the $60-$70 range), too DRM heavy (possibly game-discs that are system specific), or possibly not sell because people want new game experiances (the Nintendo DS is outselling the PS2 and PSP combined, analysts predicted the UMD-movies and high-performance PSP would destroy the gimicky Nintendo DS).

      Right now it is far too early to count either the Revolution or XBox 360 out of the console war; XBox 360 still could dominate North America and Europe while the Revolution is the biggest wild-card ever.

      With HD-DVD and Blu-Ray the biggest questions are which format will have the $100 (or lower) player first, which will be chosen by Blockbuster (and other rental chains), and which one will be selling at an afordable price range ($10-$20).

    2. Re:BluRay Won - Fucking Deal With It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "XBox 360 still could dominate North America and Europe "

      Nope.

    3. Re:BluRay Won - Fucking Deal With It by heinousjay · · Score: 0

      Well, that settled it. I don't know why anyone else would bother to comment after your insightful commentary.

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  4. Will HD-DVD flop? by aztektum · · Score: 1

    On the whole, I can't say. I am fairly confident in saying that MS and their "accessory" drive for the 360 most likely will not sell and you will not see one next to every 360. Why? SegaCD, 32x, etc. Addons to console that create confusion for consumers and in the case of this HD-DVD drive, use up more entertainment center space, usually do poorly. Add to that that real audio/videophiles probably would consider it a sin to have an "accessory" to a game console as their HD-DVD player and there goes that segment of potential buyers.

    Secondly, if it isn't used for games, parents will not see a reason to plop down more $$ just so their kids can watch HD-DVDs. Gamers will see no use for it. Only completist gizmo nerds and clueless shoppers who a Best Buy rep. is able to convince into plunking down cash, will buy this drive.

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  5. Exactly by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 0

    "Add to that that real audio/videophiles probably would consider it a sin to have an "accessory" to a game console as their HD-DVD player and there goes that segment of potential buyers."

    Which is the reason 360 will be so successful.

    PS3 will have the Blu-Ray player by default. This will push the console price to 600+ and will not effectively reach any market. Pure gamers will take the cheaper 360 and home theater enthusiasts will buy a separate player.

    Having a Blu-Ray player over a 9gb dual-layer DVD is Sony force-feeding us a new format.

    1. Re:Exactly by Turken · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apparently you haven't read any of the numerous other slashdot articles that are following the Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD debate. Considering that the first generation stand-alone players for BOTH formats will be over $1000, a $600 (or even$700) PS3 will be a real bargain for anybody who is looking to buy into one of the new formats. At that point, the fact that it also plays games is simply a bonus. This is the successful strategy Sony used with the PS2 (when DVD was new), and it is the strategy that it looks like they will be using again.

      Sure the "pure gamers" and the "home theater enthusiasts" may turn it down for the reasons you give... but the "cost-conscious average consumer" and "I-have-a-job-and-money-but-not-a-ton-of-time-to-w aste gamers" will be grubbing up the PS3's, and these groups of buyers greatly outnumber the enthusiast groups.

    2. Re:Exactly by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1
      Apparently you haven't read any of the numerous other slashdot articles that are following the Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD debate. Considering that the first generation stand-alone players for BOTH formats will be over $1000, a $600 (or even$700) PS3 will be a real bargain for anybody who is looking to buy into one of the new formats.

      Whereas, apparently, you are of course bang up to date?

    3. Re:Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's too bad my father won't be able to play HD-DVDs with this player on his 2 year old 55'' HDTV because it doesnt have HDMI. It only has component video inputs. What a bunch of asses!

  6. No Plans by dbhankins · · Score: 2, Funny

    "We have no plans" is corporate weasel wording for, "We're probably going to do that, but we don't want to announce it now and lose face or have to argue with someone about it."

    "We have absolutely no plans" means, "Heck yeah, we're gonna do that as soon as you forget that we promised not to."

    After all, not having a plan to do something is very far from having a plan to not do something. The proper journalistic response to such an announcement is, "So, you don't have any plans yet. When do you expect to have some? Or are you just going to wing it?"

  7. Bad time to launch? by PhoenixOne · · Score: 1
    I'm starting to think pushing the NextGen of consoles out this soon was bad timing. Sure, video cards and chips have improved a lot since the XBox/PS2 days, but in general not enough people have the HDTVs to take advantage of this.

    Also, with higher res and more power, developers are going to want to build bigger, more detailed worlds. It would be nice if they had more room to store all the assets needed (yes, 9GB is huge, but you can never be too rich or have too much memory). But, with the cost of the NextGen of storage being so high right now, either you ignore it (like Microsoft) or you risk making a console too pricey for your average gamer (Sony).

    I *love* seeing new technology, but even I'm starting to think that everybody would have been better off waiting 1-2 more years for the tech/cost to come together.

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  8. Score 1 for Microsoft by fujiman · · Score: 0, Redundant
    This is actually pretty smart on MS's part. They've covered all their bases, and left enough uncertainty that a BR drive is not out of the question. Which "accessories" they produce will be demand-driven.

    Sony, on the other hand, *may* be committing the PSP blunder again. While the PSP has excellent support for various media, it hasn't translated into game sales -- people are happy with emulators and self-ripped DVD files (neither of which lines Sony's pockets). Similarly, people who have a PS3 Blue-Ray player may not buy games for it. Sony is definitely taking the riskier route.

    IMHO, it all comes down to the PS3 price point. If their target is gamers, I think anything over $400 is a mistake.

    1. Re:Score 1 for Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This is actually pretty smart on MS's part. They've covered all their bases,"

      Yes, they lose either way with an add-on that sells to a tiny number of customers.

      Anyone find it amazing that no matter how much Microsoft fucks up in the console market there is inevitably some dumbass who pipes in about what a "smart decision" whatever the latest Xbox fiasco is.

  9. *if* it turns out to be a flop?? by ecryder · · Score: 1

    It's almost guaranteed to be a flop. I've seen mega-bucks poured into BD infrastructure at the top DVD manufacturing facilities and almost none into HD-DVD production. We are going to see extremely few HD-DVD titles released. Oh, and the BD titles and players are coming to consumer markets by late spring.