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Doctors Claim Suspended Animation Success

Philoneist.com writes to tell us the Sydney Morning Herald is reporting that US doctors have developed a process to induce hypothermia in trauma patients, shutting down their bodily functions for up to three hours. The process has been proven about 90% effective in trials with pigs and now the doctors would like the go ahead to test it on humans who would "probably die" under normal care.

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  1. What about going to heaven? by Freexe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Surely if your heart is stopped and your brain dead then your soul leaves your body and you go to heaven (or hell) depending on how good you lived your life.

    I expect that it only works on pigs, because they are dirty animals and don't have a soul.

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    1. Re:What about going to heaven? by dada21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm a Christ follower but I have many problems with Christianity and the overall Body of the church. Your questions are some of the more frustrating ones because the average Christian is so holier than thou when they answer it.

      I like to ask other Christians:

      Why they celebrate birthdays and not conception days (they're so adamant at trying to control non-believers definitions of "life").

      Why they believe one ascends to heaven immediately upon a man saying they are dead.

      Why they believe that one who has no brain activity but body life might still be considered alive on this earth.

      The answers to all three questions are basically: we shouldn't, we won't, and we will never push our views on non-believers. The Bible is pretty strict about holding other believers accountable for their actions, but we should be leaving the rest of the world alone.

    2. Re:What about going to heaven? by carpe_noctem · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why they celebrate birthdays and not conception days (they're so adamant at trying to control non-believers definitions of "life").

      I think because singing "Happy Fuckday to You" just isn't very family-friendly, when you get down to it.

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    3. Re:What about going to heaven? by Dephex+Twin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know what you mean. I ask why he would allow there to be anything bad in the world. Free will doesn't cover it.

      People who say that aren't really thinking about that God supposedly created *everything*-- not just the Earth and its creatures, but dark and light, up and down, good and evil, happiness, laughter, spleens, hydrogen, etc. Why not just create the universe so that there is no bad, no evil, nothing to ever be upsetting?

      If one responds to this suggestion by saying that this would make the world seem dull or pointless... well... God didn't have to create dullness or boredom or pointlessness either. If one responds by saying that God only brings the righteous to Heaven and the Earth is our proving ground... why did God have to make wickedness and bad people? Why not make everything wonderful for everyone all the time forever? Everyone would be worthy of heaven... or heck, put everyone on there to begin with!

      I can't think of any reason that God would make the universe where bad things could happen to anyone, unless (A) he made mistakes and didn't intend for the bad things, (B) he actually wants to screw with us/watch some of us fail, or (C) he's not the only one in control.

      In any of these cases, God wouldn't be what the Bible suggests, and also he wouldn't really be reliable to come through on this whole heaven thing.

      It's not that I don't want to believe in God... I'd love to know that there is a place I go after I die that is even better than living. But it makes no sense that God created a universe like this. It makes no sense that people like murderers and adulterers and rapists make God sad and angry... if he didn't think up these concepts and incorporate them into his universe, they wouldn't even be there.

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    4. Re:What about going to heaven? by dada21 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I ask why he would allow there to be anything bad in the world. Free will doesn't cover it.

      Yet I can see how "bad things happening" would be directly a reaction to choices made through free will. I can't think of any bad things happening in my life that weren't directly because of choices I made, even if it seems like a cop out. My belief that our veil of uncertainty will be lifted after death leads me to believe that in the afterlife, we'll know what decisions not to make (eve if they aren't sinful decisions).

      Why not make everything wonderful for everyone all the time forever? Everyone would be worthy of heaven... or heck, put everyone on there to begin with!

      Sure, until you understand that God is a jealous God. If we want to worship idols and other gods, we're free to. He never promised not to test us.

      It makes no sense that people like murderers and adulterers and rapists make God sad and angry... if he didn't think up these concepts and incorporate them into his universe, they wouldn't even be there.

      You're right, but it is not something that I could explain. People who know me know that I am the most logical person you'll ever meet. The non-believers can't believe that I believe in God. The believers can't believe that I'm a Christ follower, either, as I don't follow the same path they do.

      My life changed when I accepted Jesus in one big way -- I felt I knew why I was here and it didn't conflict one bit with my login and liberty beliefs.

      I guess that's the big problem with "pushing" religion, though. No one pushed it on me, and to say that God led me towards salvation in everything I was reading and researching makes sense after the fact, but would I have seen it that way before the fact?

      As for rape and murder and robbery, I don't know if I'd feel so certain that I couldn't commit these acts before I believe in God and the Word. I know that I'm utterly disgusted by the thought of any of the above now, but I can't recall how I felt before hand.

    5. Re:What about going to heaven? by hazem · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think because singing "Happy Fuckday to You" just isn't very family-friendly, when you get down to it.

      Only in puritanical societies is sex a family un-friendly thing. Sex is the reason we have families. Without it, there's no offspring, and no families. It's ironic that people will adopt such deep close-mindedness that the very thing that is reponsible for their existence is deemed dirty and unworthy of being discussed in a family.

      It's that mind-bending lack clear thinking that makes me an x-xtian.

    6. Re:What about going to heaven? by Ruff_ilb · · Score: 4, Funny

      some girl on the street asked if i was saved yet
        i told her i saved at the checkpoint a couple minutes back
        and can reload from there if i die
        she was confused

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  2. Not quite suspended by BWJones · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, it is not quite suspended animation as the subjects have been cooled to about 10C (50F), so some biological processes do indeed still occur. However, it is below the temperature for most coherent biological processes to continue to function. Furthermore, it has been known for some time that with certain traumas involving CNS or CNS function, cooling has been an effective means of controlling continued damage related to the CNS. For instance, in many CNS traumas such as stroke (ischemic or haemorrhagic), there are cascade reactions that follow the initial insult. These cascades involve Ca+2 mediated events that often result in or are the result of cellular apoptotic pathways being induced which causes further damage. Cooling of the body in a trauma unit tends to limit such damage for reasons that are not completely understood at the basic science level and the free radicals discussed in the article are not the only possibility for damage as there are many protein pumps whose physiology is dramatically altered by temperature and pH changes.

    It's too bad that the NIH budget was cut this year (effectively below the rate of inflation) by the Whitehouse and further cut by Congress who, while managing to take care of their own salaries before going on vacation, could not work in the NIH budget to their schedule. As a result, many labs here in the US this year have had to slash this years budget by 12-20% which has a dramatic effect on the success of bioscience research such as this suspended animation work.

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  3. 90% effective? by Trigun · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have ten peoplethat I'd like to nominate for clinical trials!

  4. 90% effectiveness... what about the remaining 10%? by zanderredux · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Should we suppose that the remaining 10% died a horrible, cold death?

    Too bad they couldn't figure out a way to do it safely yet, we could use for manned long-duration space travel or just to stick around and get defrosted, Futurama-style.

    I wonder how the world will look like in, say, 100 years, but do have the patience (or the stamina) to wait. Maybe Bin Laden will finally have been caught? Maybe Brazil becomes the next world superpower? Who knows?

  5. Gotta Love Indirection by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Funny

    A story is posted on Slashdot (US)
    Of the Sydney Morning Herald (Australia)
    Reporting a story in the New Scientist (England)
    Of a bunch of scientists at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston (US)

    Can we add a few more levels of indirection here??

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  6. Drowning people in icy waters... by IAAP · · Score: 4, Informative
    I'm trying to remember where I've seen this, but IIRC, this has been done by accident when someone falls into icy waters. I think it was a kid who fell into an incy pond and was eventually rescued. Because of the temperature, he was fine. Appearently, it slowed his metabolism down enough that it didn't deplete all of the O2 in hsi blood.

    I'm sifting through all of the Google hits from my search terms now.

  7. Such as.. by Channard · · Score: 4, Funny

    .. 'Er, why do you want to eat my brains?'

  8. Interesting by lxs · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is interesting, but not quite new. I remember hearing about Soviet surgeons cooling down and effectively shutting down patients' bodies to perform open heart surgery without having to use a heart lung machine. (which were very hard to come by in the Soviet Union)

  9. That was the plot of 'John Doe'.. by Channard · · Score: 5, Interesting
    .. a sci fi/mystery series that got axed. The story revolved around a guy who had no memory of who he was but apparently knew everything and went to wacky adventures every week, hoping to find out what really happened. His Ultimate Knowledge (TM) made him a whiz at tracking down serial killers and so forth, as you'd imagine.

    One of the shows creators revealed in some TV guide or other that had the show got an extra series or two, it would have been revealed that John was in fact the result of an experiment by a mysterious group to gain all the knowledge of the universe. They believed that such knowledge was revealed at the moment of death, hence John was killed and brought back again. But the series got axed before any of that could really be explored.

  10. I have a business idea by mnmn · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll start a company that will freeze people and keep them in safe storage for a defined period of time for a maintenance fee. People could keep money in their savings account and freeze themselves for 10 or 100 years, and wake up to collect their money. It'd feel like a long nights sleep and winning the lottery afterwards.

    But they'll have to make sure the money is in the right place, with enough interest to pull them ahead of the rest of the country/world, else its all in vain. Therefore we provide long-term financial services too. :)

    I suggest customers buy lots of real-estate around cities with major natural resources and good weather. Hopefully they wont wake right after WWIII to realize their lands cost nothing.

    Invesing in gold is not a bad idea either for the long term.

    My freezer can take 2 persons. Who wants to be first??

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  11. Re:90% effectiveness... what about the remaining 1 by blincoln · · Score: 4, Informative

    Should we suppose that the remaining 10% died a horrible, cold death?

    Even assuming the article weren't talking about terminal patients, death from hypothermia is one of the least horrible ways to go. Your higher brain functions stop working, you become very calm and stop feeling cold, and then you go to sleep.

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