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How to Survive a Bad Boss

Lam1969 writes "Computerworld has a three-page spread on how to deal with bad bosses. A common type is "the overgrown technologist who gets rewarded for brilliant technical work by being promoted to a position for which he's not qualified." Another type reported by a reader is the boss who's in over their head. The article says some bosses can be "fixed," but at other times it's better to hunker down or cover your ass so the bad boss can find other targets."

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  1. In Summary by biocute · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article seems to imply that most bosses don't change, yet it's suggesting workers to change job.

    I believe a common scenario is some people have bad boss, and they just live with it and see who retires first.

    1. Re:In Summary by ePhil_One · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The article seems to imply that most bosses don't change, yet it's suggesting workers to change job.

      The article seems to focus on the "overgrown technologist", seems he's the kind of boss that will go away in 6 months to a year and be happier for it; a better article would be how to deal with an abusive boss that upper management likes. They are often blind to the negative impact a boss like this can have on an organization.

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    2. Re:In Summary by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They are often blind to the negative impact a boss like this can have on an organization.

      Absolutely true. I left a company that I worked for after six years because the new boss insisted on doing things his way or everyone can take the highway. (Not that his way was any better than the normal way.) Upper management loved him since he got the numbers in no matter how many people he stepped on in the process. I was the third person out of a dozen senior staff members who left during the first year of the new boss. You would think that losing that much talent would forced upper management to reconsider. They did. The new boss became the new director. Go figure.

    3. Re:In Summary by misleb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hate to be the one to suggest it, but perhaps you were more "senior" than "talent." I mean, if he was getting the numbers, maybe he was doing something right. Unless, of course. he was simply pushing you too hard and causing people to burn out. I'm not sure what you meant by "stepped on."

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    4. Re:In Summary by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not sure what you meant by "stepped on."

      When I left the company, I had worked 12-hour days for 28 days straight because my boss demanded it. Never mind that the company policy say that I should only work six days a week and HR was looking the other way when I complained about the situation. That's being "stepped on" while getting the numbers.

  2. RE Bad Boss by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A main problem I have seen with hiring from within is that many people who are VERY good at their jobs and have a lot of skills have no management skills.
    Like it or not you can be the best (fill in the blank: engineer, developer etc) and still be an awful manager...
    On a related note, in one of my first jobs, I was yelled at for not stapling reports with the staple at a 45 degree angle to the side of the sheets.

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    1. Re:RE Bad Boss by sconeu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was asked by my boss (company owner) if I could take over a management (actually just a group lead) position, that would entail scheduling and other management functions in addition to my technical work.

      I told him that if he really wanted me to, I'd do it, and do my best at it, but that it would most likely be a "disaster of biblical proportions". Yes, I actually used that exact phrase. I told him that I'm well aware of my limitations, and that it would be a good idea for someone else to take the position. Luckily for me and for him, he listened to me then.

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    2. Re:RE Bad Boss by el+americano · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yelling at your employees is generally bad management. For staples, I think even a "talking to" would be too much. They should just ask him to do it over if it's important to them. They could follow up if he still doesn't get the message.

      You're obviously not a manager. It is hard for us to find employees. So, a manager who runs people off because of their stapling technique will dealing with the much more serious problem of new employees who don't know the job yet. Hmmm... which one is going to affect Q1 results? The guy who doesn't staple reports to your preference or the guy who's not up to speed and can't give the report on time?

      TFA is about people with no interpersonal skills who shouldn't be managers. In other words... it's about you.

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    3. Re:RE Bad Boss by KermodeBear · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every month or so, my managers ask me if I would be interested in a Team Lead position as well, and every time I turn it down. The reason they want me to lead a group of programmers on projects? Because I'm good at writing code.

      What they fail to see is what I see every day: I do not work well with others. I hate being interrupted with phone calls, emails, people dropping by, and I don't like being responsible for what other people do. I generally don't like people at all, to tell you the truth. They're annoying. I'm also very disorganized, and my train of thought can be very difficult for other people to follow - excessive free association combined with inability to express ideas in an easy to follow format, at least when speaking.

      To be an effective manager/leader, you need to be able to deal with people and you need to be organized. For some reason, they see Programming Manager as the Next Step above writing code, when, in fact, they should be looking at people in project management. They have the skills necessary and the experience.

      I've told my management this many times; Yes, thank you, I appreciate the fact that you think so highly of me, but I would be a complete disaster. Here is why... Here are some other people who might be better suited...

      But, they never seem to listen. I don't want to become one of those people who exemplify the Peter Principle. I don't want to make an ass out of myself. I don't want to screw over my fellow coders (They may be annoying but they're nice people).

      Ideas? I don't want to be rude about it, but I do want to get it through their thick Pointy Haired Skulls that I Would Be A Crappy Manager.

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    4. Re:RE Bad Boss by Mateito · · Score: 2, Insightful
      A main problem I have seen with hiring from within is that many people who are VERY good at their jobs and have a lot of skills have no management skills.

      Spot on. People who want to be good managers will be good managers, and as we all know, there is a severe shortage of good managers in IT.

      Management can be learnt. Sure, some personalities are more suited to it than others, and some people have a more natural flair for management, but in the end, its a set of skills. The biggest point is "do you want to be a manager?" If the answer is no, then its not a promotion.

      Companies need to find other ways to reward talented employees than "promotion" to management. If I have a top developer that I don't want to lose, why put them in a role where they aren't developing?

      I'm lucky - I've worked for companies that "get it", but there seem to be plenty that don't.

    5. Re:RE Bad Boss by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you want to put introverted people who hate dealing with other people in charge? What kind of sense does that make?

      If you want to hire a manager, get someone who has a management degree. There's whole colleges for exactly that, where they teach people how to be managers. Sure, they're not technically competent, but a good manager doesn't need to be since he won't be doing any technical work; he can learn what he needs on the job from his technical employees, and defer to them whenever there's a question. Part of the problem with technical people being promoted into management is that they think they're still technically competent, even though they're really not, so they make bad decisions. A pure management person wouldn't have this problem, would realize he's not technically competent, and would involve his employees on technical issues.

  3. Works for large companies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but unfortunately, in my experience, it's the small businesses that have the worst bosses, and in that case, there's no getting away from them because they own the company and the number of alternative targets for them is limited.

    It's all very well saying "focus on the work", but the whole problem with bad bosses is they won't let you do that, whether it's by micromanaging you, constantly interrupting you, forcing you to change technical decisions, or just plain giving you the wrong work to do. I'd rather have a boss call me names every lunch break than a boss who seems friendly but fucks things up when I'm trying to work.

  4. Getting promoted to your incompetence level by `Sean · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My father used to be a Dale Carnegie Course instructor and always talks about workers getting promoted to their level of incompetence. The basic theory in a huge unchecked corporate environment is that when a worker starts doing their job too well they get promoted as a reward for their hard work. When they learn their new job and start doing that job too well they get promoted again. Eventually they get promoted to just above their incompetence level and spend the rest of their lives floundering as a middle manager getting made fun of by their subordinates.

    1. Re:Getting promoted to your incompetence level by grub · · Score: 5, Informative


      talks about workers getting promoted to their level of incompetence.

      That's called The Peter Principle

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    2. Re:Getting promoted to your incompetence level by Gulthek · · Score: 4, Informative
      That's an old one, and a pretty good book:

      The Peter Principle is a theory originated by Dr. Laurence J. Peter. It states that successful members of a hierarchical organization are eventually promoted to their highest level of competence, after which further promotion raises them to a level at which they are not competent. The term is a pun on Sigmund Freud's theory of the pleasure principle.

      The theory was set out in a humorous style in the book The Peter Principle, first published in 1969. Peter describes the theme of his book as hierarchiology. The central principle is stated in the book as follows:

              In a Hierarchy Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence.

      Although written in a lighthearted manner, the book contains many real-world examples and thought-provoking explanations of human behaviour. Similar observations on incompetence can be found in the Dilbert cartoon series (such as The Dilbert Principle). In 1981 Avalon Hill made a board game on the topic titled "The Peter Principle Game.

      -- The Peter Principle
  5. Re:Do what they do... by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sure you're not confusing "mailmen" with "Klingons?"

  6. A bad boss... by BigZaphod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the best way to survive a bad boss is to get a new job. Life seems too short to spend it under the thumb of an incompetent ruler - that is, assuming you care about getting stuff done and being productive.

    1. Re:A bad boss... by Fortran+IV · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My fundamental belief for years is that anybody who actually wants a position of authority probably shouldn't be trusted with it.

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  7. Easy by squoozer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just don't go to work. That's what I did when I had a bad boss. He was so bad I went about a year turning up only once in a while when I felt like it. Eventually I left and did something else - I don't think he ever found out. He was well on the road to a caffine + stress induced heart attack so it was probably best that I just kept out the way.

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  8. The answer is simple by macdaddy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Quit. Seriously. The answer is to quit. A bad boss makes for a horrible working environment. Horrible working environments are detrimental to your health. Your working environment will affect your mental health and that's not somethin you can leave at the office when you go home at not. Your home and love life will suffer just as much as your health. Take it from me; I've been there.

    Just last week I was diagnosed with two partially-healed ulcers. A stomach problem over the holidays (read: bleeding) prompted me to go to the doctor. I'd been putting it off for 2 years after parting ways with a particularly nasty job that had an overabundance of office politics. My working life since then has been peaches and cream compared to what it was back then. I now have the best job I've ever had. Yet I still have two ulcers that have not yet healed themselves.

    Bad bosses cause bad working environments. You do not want to be around either. Move up or move out. It's that simple. The job market is better than you think.

    1. Re:The answer is simple by Kamel+Jockey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bad bosses cause bad working environments. You do not want to be around either. Move up or move out. It's that simple. The job market is better than you think.

      Amen to that. Another thing to consider though is if you're putting in 60-80 hours a week at a job that you hate, quitting and taking a new job may provide you with quite a bit of free time that you probably never knew you had as well.

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    2. Re:The answer is simple by IdolizingStewie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Stress lowers the immune system, making you more susceptible to the bacterial infection.

    3. Re:The answer is simple by MrScience · · Score: 2, Informative

      Interesting anecdote... but ulcers are not caused by stress. Two weeks of antibotics should set you right as rain, thanks to Dr. Marshal and Dr. Warren.

      When Australian researcher Barry Marshall, MBBS, first suggested in the early 1980s that stomach ulcers were caused by the bacteria Helicobacter pylori, he was nearly laughed off the stage at an international infectious disease conference. But 20 years later, H pylori is acknowledged as the chief cause of peptic ulcers, and antibiotics are their preferred treatment.
      http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/514219?src=hp3 0.lead

      To prove it, he downed a whole load of pylori, giving himself the mother of all ulcers. Now that's science (both in the mainstream refusal, and the evidence required to prove it).

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    4. Re:The answer is simple by nathanh · · Score: 2, Informative
      Quit. Seriously. The answer is to quit. A bad boss makes for a horrible working environment. Horrible working environments are detrimental to your health. Your working environment will affect your mental health and that's not somethin you can leave at the office when you go home at not. Your home and love life will suffer just as much as your health. Take it from me; I've been there.

      Just last week I was diagnosed with two partially-healed ulcers.

      Stress does not cause ulcers. That's one of those persistent medical myths. Ulcers are caused by gut bacteria and it's typically poor diet that causes them to flare.

    5. Re:The answer is simple by dbIII · · Score: 2, Informative
      Just last week I was diagnosed with two partially-healed ulcers ... I now have the best job I've ever had. Yet I still have two ulcers
      Now if someone were to find out that ulcers were not caused by stress but by bacteria and worked out how to fix them easily you'd think there would be a Nobel prize in it and it would get in all of the media (as it did). Stressful jobs are a pain - but you can't blame them for unrelated illness.
    6. Re:The answer is simple by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I disagree. Bosses are clueless that they are assholes and need to be told. Try that first..:)

      Doesn't work. No one believes they are an asshole. If you want to make an impact before you leave, you need to tell others, preferably his peers or bosses. But the asshole in question then will try to smear you in defence. Best of all is to get some documtented proof of unsavoury, preferably illegal, practices and distribute that to the relevant authorities. But you may still have to overcome the "disgruntled employee" label.

      I've read a few analyses of abusive bosses, describng them as clinical psychpaths. You don't have to be a serial killer to be a psychopath -- a total lack of empathy, narcissism amd a capacity to rationalise every failing as the result of a conspiracy against him are good markers. Once you realise what you're dealing with you know that sweet reason has no chance of success. Many organisations actually reward psychopathic behaviour, not least the military.

  9. BOFH by i.r.id10t · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some quicklime and a construction dumpster... or perhaps a elevator thats in need of fixing... or a air tight tape safe...

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  10. Perhaps I am misunderstanding the question... by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 3, Funny

    But are you planning to use poison, a cold weapon, a firearm, or an explosive device?

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  11. Work for small companies... by zx75 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...in my experience, I've only ever had trouble with bosses in large companies. Be it absentee bosses who would rather leave you to your own devices without any sort of direction, or micromanagers who prefer to "drop-by" 20 times a day.

    Generally at small companies you can be on much better terms with everyone, be friendly with everyone you work with and you can resolve issues instead of ignoring them or hiding from them like this article suggests. I've worked for a number of small companies, and have been fortunate that each of them has been a wonderful experience, and the people I worked with have all been team-focused and aware that if a team isn't working well together, that's going to be a great hinderance to the success of the business.

    On the other hand, there's always a feeling of inertia around large companies. That your co-workers are just the people you run into at work and shouldn't be anything else. A bad boss can get away with how they are because they only worry about how their superiors see them, and then could always fire you on a whim if they wanted should they feel threatened.

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    1. Re:Work for small companies... by freeweed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So long as the small company isn't family owned.

      There is no boss worse than the boss's kid, if s/he hasn't been brought up through the ranks properly. I've experienced this (straight to V.P. 6 months after finishing college), and it's by far been the worst boss to work for. The company owner was an amazing boss, but his children just didn't seem to have a hot clue about anything. You can't just plop someone in a desk with the attitude of "I'll own this someday, so everyone should listen to me".

      I was in this particular situation just as we were doing our Y2K upgrades. It got compounded by the fact that the kid thought he was an IT guru because he knew how to burn a CD.

      Personally, I'd take government work over working in another family owned business. And that's saying a LOT, as anyone who's worked for the government will attest.

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    2. Re:Work for small companies... by swillden · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Generally at small companies you can be on much better terms with everyone, be friendly with everyone you work with and you can resolve issues instead of ignoring them or hiding from them like this article suggests.

      Keep in mind, though, that this is only true if your boss is a reasonably rational person. Small companies are owned and dominated by entrepreneurs, who are often eccentric enough that true nutjobs can fairly easily hide within their ranks. I've worked for some doozies.

      Lessee, I worked for one guy who never worried about the flaws in his business plan (which, granted, were not obvious to the casual observer) because he'd had a vision from God that told him his company must succeed because he was doing God's work. He was smart enough to keep his mouth shut about this claim, but when one of my coworkers found some papers describing his vision, many things made a great deal more sense to us. I wonder if God also told him to buy his daughter a new car with the month's payroll budget (all of it!)...

      Another guy I worked for suckered a normally shrewd businessman (David Neeleman, CEO and founder of Jet Blue) into starting an Internet business back in the mid 90's. Each of them put up $500K... but after a few months Neeleman realized that his supposed partner was penniless, and he had blown most of Neeleman's $500K on extremely expensive hardware. Not only did the nutjob (and he was CRAZY) extort some more cash out of Neeleman to make him go away... shortly afterward the office building BURNED TO THE GROUND, with all of that expensive hardware inside -- except that investigators could find no remains of the hardware. Everyone knew what must have happened, but there was no proof. I personally looked through the remains of my office and found what was obviously the case of the ~$2K PC, but no remnants at all of the ~$15K SGI workstation that had been sitting right next to it.

      I had another boss who was basically a good guy, but was just unable to handle the stress when his business didn't go well. Since he'd put everything he had into it, he got very, very stressed out when it looked like it was going to fail, and he took it out on everyone who wasn't working more than he was (and he was only sleeping like four hours per night).

      I've also worked for some really great small-company bosses. My experience with small companies is that, on average, they're no better and no worse than big companies. But the standard deviation is much, much larger.

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  12. not easy to avoid, not easy to appease by yagu · · Score: 4, Informative

    The problem with "bosses" is they come from the same base as everyone else. My experience has been and continues to be, for any discipline, less than 5% or so of players in that discipline truly know how and what they're doing.

    That leaves the temperament and maturity of a "boss" as the essence with which you must deal. I had always been pretty lucky with managers and had good working relations with all but the last -- who turned out to be a little Nazi... He cared more about his image, and less about the work his team produced. He cultivated an "always busy" look for his group, but they produced far less with far less quality than other groups around us.

    I constantly took him and the team to task for their hubris, and faux work facade, and became unpopular with Mr. Boss.

    I rolled the dice at a bad time, it was at the same time IT decided to lay off 20% of the work force, and I had curried no favors to better my chances with this goonie. I don't know had I been a kiss-ass with him I would have fared better, but I was part of the 20% (after a illustrious 21 years with this company) let go.

    Bottom line: in today's world, there isn't much you can do if you want to stand on priniciple -- unless you're lucky enough to have landed a great boss who knows what he or she is doing -- there aren't many of them. It's a shame and a crime when the truth, as stated in the article, is:

    some bosses can be "fixed," but at other times it's better to hunker down or cover your ass so the bad boss can find other targets
    It's probably one reason so many things are fucked today -- it's probably one of the reasons things like DRM even manages to get any traction -- it's probably why half the decisions being made are done so because of money under the table.
  13. This is my story by MikeDawg · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here is my story: Ask Slashdot article

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  14. I Am A Horrible Boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's right, I said it.

    Technically, I'm gifted. I can analyse a situation and come up with a solution almost immediately, often without a full grasp of how I arrived at the answer. That is where the problem lies. I don't have the patience to explain things to people, and I get frustrated when they don't "get it" as quickly as I do.

    I don't want to be the boss, but my bosses keep trying to put people under me. Just let me work, pay me, and I'll make sure your network is safe and secure, and runs 24/7. Just don't give me direct reports. It just makes them miserable, and me a nervous wreck. Don't blame me when they quit six months from now because I'm a bad boss, because I told you up front that I was.

    Quit trying to promote me. I know you want to retain me, but why not just remove the arbitrary salary caps per job classification and give me the salary I deserve without having to tie it to "management". Keeping the auditors happy is justification enough for the 10% raise you gave me this year. Sarbanes Oxley and GBLA is a bitch, and I manage the IT side of it for you. You've never once had a bad audit. Isn't that alone worth paying me what it takes to keep me without saddling me with arbitrating personality conflicts, managing vacation schedules, keeping track of overtime, and all the other petty bullshit that goes along with having "underlings"?

    Don't you get it?

    1. Re:I Am A Horrible Boss by lgw · · Score: 5, Informative

      Many companies have a "technical career track" for just this reason. I have the same paygrade as a senior manager, yet I'm an individual contributor. My career track potentially extends all the way to "Fellow", with the same pay grade as a senior VP. While it's unlikely I'll make it that far in my career, it's still far more likely than becoming an actual VP on a management track, so I can't complain.

      If your technical skills are that good, find a company that knows what to do with them.

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    2. Re:I Am A Horrible Boss by Kevin+Stevens · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This seems to be a very common problem in technical departments of non-technical companies. Getting into management is the only way up the ladder, and there are no ways to make a comfortable salary without managing people or projects. If you are techie you are deemed less valuable than a manager. This problem was first* outlined in the Mythical Man Month by Fred Brooks in the mid 1970's folks! Yet managers still don't get it. My manager doesn't get it. I have a coworker that is awesome technically that is experiencing the same problem. He has asked to take on an architect type role in the team, and my manager has told him repeatedly that being a developer is a dead-end. He was even penalized in his last review for it and labeled as "uncooperative to management" because of it.

      I think this mindset is caused by the fact that the people in charge- aka the management- did not see spending their life dealing directly with technology as rewarding and fulfilling and from their first day on the job had an eye on the corner office. Technology companies have a better understanding of technologists and accordingly have much better promotion paths for those not wanting to manage people.

      *Well maybe only first in the sense that the Model-T was the first car, but close enough.

    3. Re:I Am A Horrible Boss by sakusha · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is a philosophy amongst some of the more enlightened companies that the best bosses and managers are the people who are most reluctant to become managers. You sound like a perfect example. You have shown competence in your job, and know enough about management to know how difficult it is, and you are reluctant to take on these serious responsibilities. But that is what makes you the perfect candidate. You can become a good boss by cultivating the qualities you desire in your employees and in yourself. That is leadership.

    4. Re:I Am A Horrible Boss by GallopingGreen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This kind of shit bugs me.

      It's like anything - learn it. Learn how to do it well. And stop complaining.

      Tech-heads complain because people can't figure how to program a VCR. And quite rightly - it's a piece of piss. But non-techs decide in advance: "I can't do this", when all they really need to think is: "Ok, this device has been designed to make it easy to achieve common functions. Look at the buttons, interpret the symbols, keep trying untill you figure it out..."

      It's the same with management, just do it. And do it well. If you're as bright as you claim, then you can be a great manager.

    5. Re:I Am A Horrible Boss by Fortran+IV · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's like anything - learn it. Learn how to do it well. And stop complaining... It's the same with management, just do it. And do it well. If you're as bright as you claim, then you can be a great manager.

      I'm sorry, but that's a load of bollocks.

      Have you ever heard of "talent"? Some people are naturally good at some things and naturally bad at others. Different people have different talents.

      If you are tone deaf, no amount of practice will ever make a worthwhile violinist out of you, because you simply can't hear when you hit an off note. And if you have the equivalent of tone deafness in your ability to judge and understand other people, no amount of Dale Carnegie and HR training will make a good manager out of you.

      I know—I have a fair amount of "people-deafness" myself. The only people I can manage are the ones who don't really need a manager at all, because I simply can't "hear" the mistakes I make with the others.

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    6. Re:I Am A Horrible Boss by Nataku564 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Program vcr -> read manual.

      While there are manuals for managing people, none of them can really help you get over the fact that you just may not know how to work with people well. IT peoples aren't exactly known for their great socializing skills. I know I could do it, but I also know several people in the industry that would not make good managers. They are very introverted, and don't like talking to people. While they could go through the motions, that doesn't mean they would be very good at it.

      I find that people do the best at their jobs when they actually like what they are doing.

    7. Re:I Am A Horrible Boss by TENTH+SHOW+JAM · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Thankyou for your honesty. I know plenty of IT people in your situation. I throw blunt objects at them frequently. Some advice.

      People are reasonably easy to understand. Just provide them with the tools they need to do their job and a direction to follow. Then check in on them from time to time to make sure they are heading where you want them to. This is the hard part. TRUST THEM. Yes, every now and again they will stuff up, but give them space to do that and then the encouragement to have another go. Also remeber it is your job to run interference for these people. They don't need your boss on their tail. They need YOU.

      As for promotion to 'management' to pay you more. If they paid you more than the cap without being in management, they devalue managers. This is something that managers don't wish to do. It would lead to people being paid based on productivity and even out the pay scales.

      eg. I am a widget maker that can manufacture 1000 widgets a month. My manager is bad. With a good manager, I could manufacture 1100 widgets a month. if that manager was in charge of 20 widget makers, then the company can afford to pay that manager twice my salary minus profit margin. This would reflect badly on the bad boss. He would complain of being treated unfairly and demand twice my wage because he holds the same position as a good manager.

      Now if I build a jig that allows me to double my personal production, I expect there to be no flow on to the managers income.

      But since the managers are all friends with the bean counters and have duped the world into beliveing their propaganda, we will never see this. The fact they won't pay you more is just feeding their propaganda machine, without which they would not be able to drive their nice shiny new car.

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  15. Top-down vs. bottom-up by AeiwiMaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Thats how a top-down organization works by
    promoting people to there highest level of incompetents !

    As long as they do a good job they get promoted
    and then they get stock in a position where they don't do well.

    The way to solve this is to use a bottom-up organization and make every employee
    stock holders.

    In at bottom-up organization the project group chose there own project manager.
    The project manager chose a department manager and etc. to the top.

    But every member can challenges his manager for his position,
    and then the group vote between the 2 candidates.

    It is all described in detail on
    http://www.thenewagesite.com/jjdewey/molecular/bus iness1.php

  16. I say, keep trying by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2

    No matter how big, or bad the boss is, there's invariably some weakness you can exploit, and some way you can defeat them and move on. Maybe you should talk with other people in the area, to see if they can give you any helpful advice. Maybe your strategy for dealing with the boss is suboptimal: If a boss tends to concentrate on what's right in front of him, maybe you should go behind his back, and generally avoid him, or at least keep your head down and don't get noticed. Or you could watch for patterns in what he does, and take advantage of that. Don't confront a boss unprepared; make sure you've got the things you'll need when dealing with him, and if possible, some extra lives. And if there's just absolutely no other option, you can check a walkthrough.

    Remember that you're smarter than he is, and that only by persevering can you defeat all the bosses and rescue the princess, or whatever. But if you quit playing, then he's won.

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    -- This and all my posts are in the public domain. I am a lawyer. I am not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice.
    1. Re:I say, keep trying by mswope · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nah. Make sure you do your best and if your best isn't what's needed, go elsewhere. You can keep trying, but after a while that foolish feeling inside you is your subconscious trying to tell you to get real. "Remember that you're smarter than he is, and that only by persevering can you defeat all the bosses and rescue the princess, or whatever. But if you quit playing, then he's won." If you don't realize that there's a bigger game called "your life" outside your boss's world, you've already lost.

  17. Linin' Large! by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Quit. Seriously. The answer is to quit.

    Yes, of course, because we're all foot-lose and fancy-free, we all work because if we didn't we'd all just sleep all day, and jobs just come along! But seriously, for the vast majority of people out there, this is not really a realistic option. Usually, personal situations like family with children prevent it, but there could be many other things. Economically, most people today live a few paychecks away from living on the street, and might as well be indentured servants. This is why it simply is not uncommon for people in our society to snap and kill a few people on the way out the door. Bad bosses should not be the problem of the worked bee; it should be management's problem, that's why the "professionals" in Human Resources make the big bucks, right?

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    "Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
  18. Re:If democracy is so great .... by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Corporations aren't democratic because they're plutocratic republics. Shareholders get different levels of voting power based on how much they own of the company and elect a board to represent them and manage the company. You can't have a democracy when one-man-one-vote is not in effect.

    The problem with corporate cronyism is that a large number of boards are made up of the largest investors or are close friends with the largest investors. Thus, the elite voters are close to the people being elected. This has trended towards a pattern of corruption in every single social group that has allowed elite voting rights.

    If you want to investigate a democratic model of company management, look into syndicalism. Of course, nothing's perfect and syndicalism has a lot of flaws such as a lack of strong profit motive to keep the company alive and management being based on popularity and charisma instead of capability. (A truly meritocratic model of corporate governance simply doesn't exist and cannot exist due to the impossibility of objectively determining merit.)

    Then again, even in a democratically run company, I still feel that publicly traded companies cannot have a higher ethical goal in the long run since the majority of shareholders will always have profit as their primary motive. That's a topic for a different discussion, though.

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    If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
  19. Most people leave their boss, not their company by MvdB · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When people quit a company, I think that in about 80% of the cases people leave their boss. In how far the boss is a product of the company remains open to question.

  20. It's a perfect reaction. Quit. by neo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But seriously, for the vast majority of people out there, this is not really a realistic option.

    Quote from www.QuitYourJobDay.com:

    The prevailing view is that you need a job to survive and that you need the job more than the employer needs you. What most people don't know, and those who profit from your skill and effort certainly don't want you to hear, is that your employer needs you to survive as well.

    Do you really think there are less jobs than there are people? Do you really think you can't quit? Right now HR has the upperhand because the workers refuse to recognize the true value they bring to the company. That's going to change.

  21. DING DING DING! Someone give them a cookie! by thecampbeln · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You are so very right! My father is a financial moron (case in point: he used his expense account check, meant to pay off his ~19% credit card bill, to pay off his ~8% car loan). I have learned many things from his exquisitely bad examples, and this is one of the major ones. My wife and I have a paid off house (last payment was made on my 27th birthday), all of our cars are paid off, credit cards are paid in full at the end of every month.

    Sure, we could "afford" the huge house, BMW, boat, hot tub, vacation property... but I'd much rather have my freedom (besides, we're saving up to get those things). Should the time ever arise, I could tell my work to shove it and not even have to think twice about it. My wife could do the same thing on the same day and not even have to think twice about it. Absolute worst case, welfare would more then cover all of our day-to-day costs (thanks to no house payment, no debts).

    And we are nothing special. We are not from old money (though we both have 4 year degrees and good paying jobs), we've earned all of this ourselves. We simply realize that "It's only $5 for a Starbucks" can quickly add up to THOUSANDS of dollars a year (hell, just ask Starbucks! There's a reason they can afford to put one on every corner...). We feel that sort of discretionary income is best applied to home loans or car loans or savings accounts. Course, you could say "But you need to LIVE!" and we do! We've been on 4 overseas, and 3 domestic vacations in the last year. How!? No house payment, my friend. No car payment, just the credit card (which is mostly extraneous bullshit that could be dropped in hard times) and home owners-related bills.

    For the love of [insert deity of preference here]... you spend at least 1/3 of every week day in your job. If you hate it, then the second you wake up, you are loathing having to go into that place again. When you get home, you are loathing that you have to go into that place again tomorrow. Come Friday afternoon, you are loathing that you have to go into that place again come Monday.

    Gee-whiz... do you think that affects the rest of your life in any measurable way? Does the fact that your driving your new BMW to that place make it more palatable? Does your huge house with the huge screen TV make it easier to commence with the daily loathing in the mornings/afternoons/weekends? We'll get all of those things in due time, and when we have them, they will not be trapping us into a life filled with many material things and nothing much else. We will own them, they will not own us!

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    "1984" was ment to be a warning, not a guidebook. You hear that Kim Jong-il!? BushCo?!