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Competitive Gaming Hits the Mainstream

thegamebiz writes "Amped eSports has a recap of the 60 minutes segment profiling gaming icon Jonathan "Fatal1ty" Wendel, while also providing commentary on the effect it could have on the business as a whole. From the article: 'As millions of Americans sat with eyes affixed to their televisions during the second week of the NFL playoffs, a different type of sport was being birthed into the public spotlight merely a channel away ... It's time to wake up, America. eSports has hit the spotlight and with it comes the realization of a dream that has existed in the mind of every child since Fred Savage took his brother to California for a Nintendo tournament in The Wizard. Professional Gamer is now a valid career path.'"

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  1. Hrmm? by BHennessy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    'As millions of Americans sat with eyes affixed to their televisions during the second week of the NFL playoffs, a different type of sport was being birthed into the public spotlight merely a channel away...'

    How does millions of people watching another program on at the same time help the cause?

    1. Re:Hrmm? by Tanamo · · Score: 2, Informative

      You have hit the nail right on the head there.

      This is what I think of as "baseless hype" or, more commonly, "all mouth and no trousers". I used to live with a marketing bod who explained such things to me, it is a way of claiming various successes and achievments where none actually exist - it's like lying, but in a positive way...

      Take:
      "As millions of Americans sat with eyes affixed to their televisions during the second week of the NFL playoffs, a different type of sport was being birthed into the public spotlight merely a channel away ..."
      which means that millions of people were watching something on a different channel, and quite possibly nobody was watching the public birthing, but you've established the association of "millions of Americans" and "eyes affixed" with your "different type of sport", so it's all good!

      or:
      "whose face is recognizable to nearly every internet user"
      which all depends on your interpretation of "nearly every", in this case they're taking it to mean "more than 1, but not actually that many"

      or:
      "Professional Gamer is now a valid career path."
      it's really not.

      see how easy it is...

  2. Spectator gaming... by BigZaphod · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It just seems stupid to me. Gaming is very much about the gamer and his/her experience. Making it be about the audience seems like it'd turn gaming into nothing more than a puppet show. Machinima already does that.

    1. Re:Spectator gaming... by Meest · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why watch Cycling when you can hop on your bike yourself? Why watch skateboarding when you can go outside and hop on yours? Or What about NASCAR when you can drive around your block?

      Because it is fun to watch for the person interested in the game. The intensity of the game when a team is down by 3 rounds and its a 1v3 situation with a minute ten left on the clock is a very tense and amazing time to watch. Its also great to watch because you get to see all the players playing that you always hear about. much like watching your favorite player on TV for Football.

      You may enjoy watching "the Bus" make an amazing play. I enjoy watching tr1p make an amazing comeback in a hopeless round.

    2. Re:Spectator gaming... by evilNomad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The same reason as you watch any other sport? You enjoy seeing people do something really good, sure I can play soccer, but i enjoy watching the big stars playing, i played soccer for 10 years, but do not play anymore, still I enjoy watching it, so why should CS be any different? The game has as many aspects as NFL, the tactics, the "hits", the individual performances, the trick play..

      Just because you do not understand the sport, there is no reason to call it lame, nor look down at it, believe you me, when i watch baseball, being from Europe, I too think "what a weird sport"..

    3. Re:Spectator gaming... by GroeFaZ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So you are saying every commercially successful sport out there is NOT about the sportsman/woman and his/her experience? I'm a hardcore gamer myself (in terms of hours spent), and I very much enjoy watching pros duke it out in a game I enjoy playing myself. And even recorded speedruns etc. of a single-player game can be very entertaining. By every definition, PC/console gaming can be a sport like any other.

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    4. Re:Spectator gaming... by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I used to play an unhealthy dose of Unreal Tournament and Wolfenstein games online, and I would get my hands on any clan scrimmages clip/replays whenever I can. It was insane seeing how creative some teams are in their attack plan.

      Then someone would give me a clip of some other game I have never played. Immediately I would loose interest. I think there is a market for video game TV, it just has to be a popular game in a 3rd person view. Otherwise it must be some serious eyecandy.

    5. Re:Spectator gaming... by kamapuaa · · Score: 2, Informative
      By every definition, PC/console gaming can be a sport like any other.

      Looking on dictionary.com, every relevant definition involves the idea of "physical activity" taking place. Sorry but pressing keys on a keyboard doesn't fit the current definition.

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  3. Not there yet, not there by a long way. by AEther141 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gaming has been bumbling along as an occasional novelty in the mainstream media since the CS explosion and the massive LAN events of the early noughties. The real point at which gaming can call itself mainstream is when the goofy gaming shows obviously hosted by non-gamers are replaced by serious coverage of tournament events, when CS and QT are presented like poker - serious coverage that the tournament entrants would appreciate, competent commentary by people gamers actually respect and just the occasional explanatory note to naive viewers. When the network execs begin to understand that their thirteen-year-old PS2 owner is a totally different kind of gamer to the WOW-playing, LAN-gaming faithful and realise that gamers aren't one demographic but a broad spectrum with widely diverging tastes and interests. For the moment, gaming is an odd novelty that the mainstream still don't quite get.

    1. Re:Not there yet, not there by a long way. by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, for example, if they had a new HD channel entirely devoted to gaming with tournament coverage, strategy from game designers, etc... coming out Feb. 1st?

      Of course, you need Dishnetwork and a new MPEG4 receiver (VIP622 is nice) to get the Voom channels right now, but over time that barrier to entry will ease.

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    2. Re:Not there yet, not there by a long way. by hal2814 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "goofy gaming shows obviously hosted by non-gamers are replaced by serious coverage of tournament events"

      ABC just learned a valuable lesson in the NFL by allowing Monday Night Football (the ONLY NFL product to steadily lose ratings over the last 4 years) to die a tragic death by making the event less and less about football. They wanted a Super Bowl every week and realized that it wasn't hardcore football fans who liked all the non-football stuff in the Super Bowl and that non-fans aren't going to watch every week no matter what celebrity you have stop by to say hello or what comedian you put in the press box as a commentator.

      Much like the NFL, competitive gaming is only going to as far as the product itself can carry it. They shouldn't try to fluff it up or make it super cool. I think compretitive gaming can be cool enough as it is. If it's not, no amount of fluff is going to make up for that.

  4. Hahah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, it's as viable a career path as "Being Bono" or "Becoming Tom Cruise" is. How many people have made professional gaming an actual career? I don't mean 2 years of income. I mean at least 10 years of steady income.

    1. Re:Hahah. by servognome · · Score: 4, Funny

      How many people have made professional gaming an actual career? I don't mean 2 years of income. I mean at least 10 years of steady income.

      It's not about the money man... It's about the chicks... errr the fame... err the free Mountain Dew sponsorship deals, that's it.

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  5. But isn't that true of any sport? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Surely it is the taking part that counts. Yet that doesn't stop hundreds of millions of people from following sports events.

    No I don't see the appeal either but then I don't watch "regular" sports anyway so perhaps I am just weird.

    Just as there is a "market" for chess matches or curdling or downhill skiing or soccer there will be a market for "gaming".

    If it will ever be big I have no idea. Why did soccer get big but not field hockey? Why do americans watch football and europeans soccer.

    F1 is a big sport. Perhaps it is only watched because you want to see lethal crashes but if that is not the case then why should people not also watch a F1 race with virtual cars?

    It would not be my cup of tea and it may not be yours but we hardly matter now do we? Computer "sports" would allow events that could never be held in real live, why hold a chess match when you can televise a battle between armies? The BBC already had a program like this.

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  6. Media hype by Flizesh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seems like media hype to me and 60 minutes trying to be on 'the edge' of something new. Sure, pro gaming might be getting bigger but there are millions of gamers but only a handful of people who can make an actual living off it. Plus on 60 minutes they touted "Fatal1ty" as the best, which seemed kind of lame.

    1. Re:Media hype by The-Bus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Professional Gaming has Arrived!" has been a headline I've seen for a dozen years, if not more. It's not going to happen, because there's no audience for it. At best, it will be something like a movie critic. You can't go to movie critic school and have offers ready for you when you graduate. You make it on your own. I think pro gaming, if and when it ever arrives, will be very similar.

      I didn't see 60 Minutes, but did they mention Golden Tee Golf at all? I know there's people that play that in leagues and make $15,000+ per year. Not income-worthy, but that's a pretty good supplement for the average joe.

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  7. You can watch CBS News 60 Minutes Video... by antdude · · Score: 2, Informative

    Click here to read the article and watch the streaming video. It was posted on Digg earlier.

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  8. beware of the hype by Tom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Professional Gamer is now a valid career path.

    And just like Pro-Footballer or Pro-Soccer player, it's not all the dream it's sold as.

    As in any other business, thousands of young people enter that career path every year, and most of them never make it past "it pays the rent". In fact, I would be surprised if a considerable percentage came even that far.

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  9. A couple things. by Sage+Gaspar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First, it can't be live. There's no way to intelligently comment on a live video game, and essentially commentary is why people are watching. In most sports you can see displays of athletic prowess. Other sports (just using it as a term, don't want to debate what's a sport), like poker, you need interesting commentary. Poker is slow enough and widespread enough that there are a lot of people that are well-versed in it that can keep up with the game compellingly on live TV. Not so with video games. People aren't going to sit there watching someone else playing video games unless they're very dedicated, and downloaded replays are much more interactive.

    So what do you do? Save the replay. Let both sides walk you through the game afterward and explain the problems they had at key steps, and how they lost the game. Explain their strategies for gamers that are interested in the specific game. This isn't going to be terribly compelling except in small chunks, but then again, it has almost no production cost.

    Secondly, get someone that has some authenticity. People that obviously don't know what they're talking about discussing games just makes me angry. And I know a lot of my friends that feel the same way. MTV-style gaming shows don't really appeal to anyone, because gamers who aren't hardcore don't really want to watch gaming television, and people who are hardcore just despise it.

    Third, fuck the cheat codes. No one, no one, no one watches TV to get cheat codes. I don't even buy strategy guides anymore unless they're very well made. Cheat Code TV is a shitty, shitty idea.

    Fourth, as for content, how about interviews with industry leaders? People showing clips from upcoming games. Even spotlights on independent games, or mods. Or documentaries on the game-making process. Hell, I'm nerdy enough that I'd watch gaming news: suchandsuch a clan opened up dungeon X in WoW, patch Z was released for MMO_flavor_of_the_week with suchandsuch changes, soandso art designer quit company Q.

    Finally, there could even be room for a debate-style show. Get industry "pundits" *shudder* together to discuss stuff that will at least inspire interesting flame wars. Are video games art? Is storyline important? Which console is shaping up to be the best? Do graphics matter? What's the best fighting game? Did Blizzard ruin balance in WoW with the latest patch? Is Jack Thompson a lunatic? Hell, bring Jack Thompson on to defend himself! Shit like that.

    1. Re:A couple things. by CommiePuddin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Furthermore, maps in most FPS are much more complicated than a football field. How easy is it to always get a great angle to give people the live perspective?

      Much like existing spectator sports, you position cameras at strategic locations in the map, controlled by "cameramen," who will move within the space to get the most advantageous shot.

      Not to mention that the "helmet cam" is built into the system.

      Well placed shots are not any more difficult in this realm than it is in existing spectator sport. It's all about having a good director who can frame up the right shot at the right time.

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  10. It hits the WESTERN mainstream maybe, a little bit by GroeFaZ · · Score: 3, Informative

    Gaming is very big in S-Korea, and has been at least since Starcraft came out. There is a huge industry with idols, fans, groupies, big sponsors, big money, regular TV shows, heck, even their own TV channel. THAT's what I call Mainstream. No problem with TFA, but don't give the impression that the US went there first.

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  11. Re:Good, ill, or both? by ClamIAm · · Score: 2, Insightful
    [Pro gamers] will be attracted to the games in which they think could potentially earn them money ... rather than playing games in which they simply enjoy.

    I doubt many NFL players hate football.

  12. Re:The main problem by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Counter-Strike has been around for about 8-9 years with few changes.