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Blazing Review of the New iMac

boxturtleme writes "Despite the sometimes lackluster reviews of the new Intel iMac over the past several weeks, what with speed tests and hardware bugs, the New York Times sure seemed to like it. And beyond the blazing review, the Times seems fully confident that someone will soon have Windows and OS X dual booting."

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  1. Why Dont you people wait. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You people want to complain about all the problems the new IntelMacs have. Did you seriously think Apple/or Any Company. Is going to release a Version 1 of a new system without having some problems. If you don't want to deal with the Glitches of a Version 1 Apple. Wait a year, most apps should be universal, Faster Processor speeds, and Apple will fix all the Generation 1 problems, Also OS X 10.5 should be out. I think the NYT had a fare review. They basically said it is an iMac with what iMacs said to have, and it runs most of the apps currently pretty well, but there are some that don't work yet and others that will never work. If you want an Intel Mac Now go get one. But if you want a good Intel Mac wait next year after some updates and fixes, and a OS that has a stronger focus on the chip.

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  2. web pages by amazon10x · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Web pages appear startlingly quickly: nytimes.com pops open in about 1 second (versus 2), Amazon is ready in 2 seconds (versus 4) and MSN appears in 6 seconds (versus 8).

    I might be wrong here but wouldn't the speed that a page comes up have nothing to do with whether your processor is a little faster and more to do with how many people are using broadband in your neighborhood at the time of the test?

    1. Re:web pages by Sparks23 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not necessarily. Even if it's stored locally (taking broadband out of the equation entirely), a graphics-intensive page -- or one with Flash advertisements -- will always take a longer time to render than one which is, say, mostly text and CSS. Occasionally it will take a MUCH longer time.

      This is because of the actual cost of laying out and rendering the page, which is something that can be affected by CPU performance. (If I have a Pentium 233 and a Pentium 4 on the same network link, both running Firefox 1.5, pages will still come up faster on the Pentium 4 than they do on the Pentium 233.)

      I suspect that this was what the NYTimes reviewer was referring to, even if he wasn't really *clear* about it. :)

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  3. Re:Well... by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Predictions are just that. Predictions, Guesses about the future. And when writing these articles one tries to stay away from the old Flame Wars, and write about what most people really care about. the NYT is not Slashdot, It is targeted at a different group of people, people who care more about waiting for the system to boot up. Vs. difference in Milliseconds for some obscure calculation.

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  4. Hardware bugs? What hardware bugs? by Radak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bricking a computer by flashing unsupported code into the part of the computer responsible for making it boot is not a hardware bug. It is a user bug.

    Or did I miss a memo somewhere?

  5. Re:PowerBook by Gibberlins · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Intel Macs will not have a "Power" name (PowerMac, PowerBook) associated with them because they no longer use PowerPC processors.

  6. Well... by plazman30 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    David Pogue, like myself, is a huge Mac geek. I have to treat what he writes with a grain of salt, as he sees the world with a Steve Jobs reality distortion field on him at all times. As much as I love the Macintosh and use one every day, I would never say that David Pogue is an impartial source when it comes to reviewing Macintosh hardware or software.

  7. Re:Well... by engagebot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Granted.

    But still, the amount of time it takes for to pop up has little to do with an increase in processor power. If you want to give comparisons like that to lay-persons, thats fine. Its just that this one in particular doesn't prove anything one way or the other, and the fact that he even cites it proves his lack of any real technical prowess (therefore killing any authority he has in the first place).

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  8. A damn good reporter nonetheless by maggard · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I would never say that David Pogue is an impartial source when it comes to reviewing Macintosh hardware or software.
    Actually I find him to be quite accurate, if not impartial.

    Is he knowledgeable? Yes. Hugely. Author of several very popular and very well respected Mac books. Knows the technologies, their histories, the players, knows how to write, and knows what folks are interested in reading.

    Is he a rah-rah Mac fanboy? No.

    He, like Walt Mossberg, has been quite good about calling out Apple on their failures. Any number of times he's pointed out when the emperor has no clothes, that a great-leap-forward ain't necessarily so, that Apple hasn't gotten something right.

    Does he claim not to like the Mac platform? No. Does he present himself as some sort of unopinioniated ideal, absolutely agnostic on the subjects he writes about? Not at all. He is completely clear about his appreciation for the Mac and then goes ahead and reports about it rather fairly and honestly.

    So, partial or not, he's a damn good source of news and reviews about the Mac platform and certainly a heck of a lot better then either the fanboys and the not-without-a-2-button-mouse cranks.

    Read the review, then judge it by it's content, decide for yourself if Pogue's fondness for Macs makes him unsuitable to report on 'em.

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  9. Blazing Review? by Microsift · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, for one thing it's not really a review of anything; it's a story about Apple's transition to Intel chips.

    He does note that some things are faster on the Intel iMac, and that some software will run natively, some will run with Rosetta, and some won't run at all. Anyway, hardly a review...

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  10. A False Argument by maggard · · Score: 5, Insightful
    engagebot writes:
    But still, the amount of time it takes for to pop up has little to do with an increase in processor power. If you want to give comparisons like that to lay-persons, thats fine. Its just that this one in particular doesn't prove anything one way or the other, and the fact that he even cites it proves his lack of any real technical prowess (therefore killing any authority he has in the first place).

    The comment would be legitiately "Insightful" if Pogue were using web pages as a measure of processor power. However for those who bother to read the article will discover, he doesn't. In fact engagebot's argument is a straw man.

    Pogue writes:
    What you'll discover is that the new iMac is deliciously fast when it's running Intel-ready software. Just turning the machine on is a joy, because starting up now takes 20 seconds instead of 60, like the previous model; you'll want to do it again and again. Programs open up a lot faster, too: GarageBand, for example, is ready for your musical inspiration in only 9 seconds, rather than 20. Web pages appear startlingly quickly: nytimes.com pops open in about 1 second (versus 2), Amazon is ready in 2 seconds (versus 4) and MSN appears in 6 seconds (versus 8).

    Pogue is clearly describing how fast the new Intel-Macs feel doing things the the old Power-Macs do, but with the new Intel-based universal applications. No reference to the CPU here, none to megafoofoos-per-second, bajillions-of-fakestones, or other like esoterica. Not even the Intel processor makes these faster. Just that this new Intel Mac boots fast and runs these Intel-compiled apps just as well or better then the older Macs.

    In case anyone was too obtuse to clearly understand this the next paragraph makes this absolutely clear by spelling it out:

    Pogue writes:
    In other words, if your computer world is complete with programs for e-mail, the Web, word processing, graphics viewing, music playing and editing of photos, movies, basic Web sites and music tracks, then choosing the IntelliMac over the regular iMac is a no-brainer. The computer comes preloaded with all the software you need, all Intel-ready. You get a heck of a lot more speed for the same price.

    "Speed". Not CPU speed, just speed. Indeed later in the article he takes care to point out all of the places where things run slower, and why, and how some won't run at all.

    So, the only one "therefore killing any authority he has in the first place" is engagebot for setting up a completely false argument then using it to grind his own axe. And whoever so carelessly moderated his posting as "Insightful".

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    1. Re:A False Argument by maggard · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ... the new iMac is deliciously fast when it's running Intel-ready software.

      How complicated an article is it to understand? Do you see anywhere references to CPU speed? No, it's all "How does the new Mac feel running different types of applications".

      It's not a Tom's Hardware chip-head review, it's a general audience article on Apple's transition to the new platform and how successful it is; it's marveling that the horse sings at all.

      Indeed, I think the /. crowd at least would understand that Apple's biggest boost in speed on these machines is likely not from the Intel CPU but from the improved boot process, the faster bus, the more modern bridge chips, etc. That folks are getting their panties in a twist over CPU cycles is just inane. The biggest tuning is unlikely to be from clock cycles of x86 instructions but as much from the Intel motherboard and chipset that really outclass the traditionally anemic Apple offerings.

      Indeed, there is where I think the big untold story of this whole transition is: What has happened to Apple's in-house hardware design teams? Apple used to come up with their own firmware, their own bridge chips, their own bus implementations, all of that from their own staff. Now these first two models are 99% off-the-shelf Intel OEM designs folded to fit into Mac formfactors.

      So did Apple lay off their motherboard & chipset design teams? Are there teams of ex-Apple hardware folks now looking for employment? Will the next generation of Intel-Mac motherboards continue to be 99% off-the-shelf Intel or will we soon see some Apple-originated hardware on the motherboard ?

      Anyway, no, "Intel-ready" refers to the new Intel-icized MacOS running Universal Binary applications (& drivers), Rosetta-based interpreted applications (& drivers), and the abandonment of Classic applications. It's not gauging the CPU but in daily use how this new generation of Macs stack up performance and software availability wise.

      Claiming Pogue is making a direct gauge of CPU performance based on web page loading times is something that just isn't in the article, and it's disingenuous to make an argument based on that absent claim.

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