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NetBSD Q3/Q4 Status Report Published

Anonymous Reader writes "The NetBSD Foundation published its first quarterly status report in 2006, covering the months July though December of 2005. Among many other things, this status report includes the release of both NetBSD 2.1 and NetBSD 3.0, a summary of the NetBSD Project's participation in Google's Summer of Code and the release of two stable pkgsrc branches."

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  1. The biggest news from the report by aliscool · · Score: 3, Informative

    Is the port to a toaster

    It has long been regarded that the UNIX-like OS NetBSD is portable to every type of machine except perhaps your kitchen toaster. Just in time for the LinuxWorld Conference and Expo in San Francisco in August 2005, Technologic Systems, however, has conquered this last frontier. Using one of its rugged embedded TS-7200 single-board computers housed inside the empty space of a standard 2 slice toaster, Technologic Systems has designed a functional NetBSD controlled toaster. You can find more information on the NetBSD toaster at http://www.embeddedarm.com/news/netbsd_toaster.htm .

    Funny as hell

    1. Re:The biggest news from the report by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 0

      If its web enabled, could we slashdot it and burn your morning waffles?

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    2. Re:The biggest news from the report by digitaldc · · Score: 1

      Funny as hell

      But only if it is the Simpson's Hell

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    3. Re:The biggest news from the report by Zerbs · · Score: 1

      Of course if it were using a Pentium 4 processor, it actually could still function as a toaster as well!

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    4. Re:The biggest news from the report by HitScan · · Score: 1

      Check out the article, it really does make toast. The switch and the elements are hooked up to the 7200 and it controls the darkness, etc. It's pretty neat, even if it is really just a tech demo to say "see how hardcore our embedded boards are!"

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    5. Re:The biggest news from the report by HermanAB · · Score: 1

      Furnulum pani nolo UNIX.

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    6. Re:The biggest news from the report by Millenniumman · · Score: 1

      I propose making a beowulf cluster of these!

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    7. Re:The biggest news from the report by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      That's a lot of toast!

    8. Re:The biggest news from the report by Shanep · · Score: 1

      That's a lot of toast!

      In Soviet Russia, toast eats you!

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    9. Re:The biggest news from the report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But everybody knows in China only elders eat toasts.

  2. Get it right by mpeg4codec · · Score: 1, Informative

    Bated breath, goddammit.

    1. Re:Get it right by LandruBek · · Score: 1

      God bless you, mpeg4codec.

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  3. Not a dupe by KiloByte · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Contrary to what certain low-moderated posts say, this article is not a dupe.
    We got Q3/Q4 reports from both Free and NetBSD.
    I somehow predict a yet another article soon...

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    1. Re:Not a dupe by arivanov · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not a dupe, but I do not quite understand the article classification.

      First of all, cudos to the NetBSD crowd for maintaining an OS that can run even on a Dead Marmot. Over the years, I have run it on several Dead Marmots (TM) like MIPS 3000 DecStations (should not be mistaken with Dead Badgers which can run Linux).

      What I do not understand is the article classification. Surely, the more popular of the BSDs should have gotten prime time coverage and the less popular coverage between headlines. What's the deal here? Or the FreeBSD people should port their OS to a Dead Lemming instead of dropping the support for anything pre-80486 alltogether?

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    2. Re:Not a dupe by SpinJaunt · · Score: 1

      Funny.. they are porting it to the itanic if that counts as a Dead Lemming?

      anyway, FreeBSD-6.* still works on 386.. check the mailling list archives.

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    3. Re:Not a dupe by Slashcrap · · Score: 1, Troll

      We got Q3/Q4 reports from both Free and NetBSD.
      I somehow predict a yet another article soon...


      No, sadly OpenBSD aren't releasing an annual report this year.

      The problem is that they have been unable to find a text editor which has been sufficiently audited for security holes.

      Apparently they are diverting 50% of their developer resource to work on a BSD licensed replacement for EMACS which should be ready sometime in 2012.

  4. For the financials, I was by IAAP · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    hoping for a little more than this. It looks like an IT department's report: not a report for an organization.

    It was great of them to show where the money went. I would also like to see some sort of statement to see how their finances are. It could actually increase donations if folks were able to see how much a shoe-string operation they are.

    1. Re:For the financials, I was by Plunky · · Score: 1

      Well, there is http://www.netbsd.org/Foundation/reports/financial /2004.html if you want a comparison - I dont know when the end of the financial year is in Delaware (where the NetBSD Foundation is based) but I guess you would have to wait until after then at least.

  5. Re:It's a BSD thing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oops. Here is the actual report.

  6. Bated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    > for-all-those-of-you-waiting-with-baited-breath

    FYI: The spelling is bated.

    1. Re:Bated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The servant waits while the master bates.

    2. Re:Bated by HermanAB · · Score: 1

      Well, perhaps after eating a tuna sandwich 'baited' would be more accurate.

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  7. Difference Net, Open, and Free BSD = ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For a non BSD type could some one explain the USER difference in Net, Open and Free BSD in 10 word or less.

    Thanks

    1. Re:Difference Net, Open, and Free BSD = ? by Ulrich+Hobelmann · · Score: 4, Informative

      In 10 words? Sorry, no.

      FreeBSD and its fork Dragonfly focus mainly on high-performance production servers, a little like Linux.

      OpenBSD focuses on the best-ever security on earth. This also includes clean code and good documentation (though even FreeBSD is quite good, IMHO compared to Linux/GNU).

      NetBSD focuses on exceptionally clean code/architecture, excellent documentation, but also on interesting features, and of course awesome portability. This includes having very clearly-written, modular drivers, where other systems sometimes only have drivers for, say, a specific device when it's behind a specific bus, but not in general...

      I like NetBSD, because it's fast enough IMHO, and very clean and well documented. If you want maximum performance, and maybe more multimedia drivers, get FreeBSD; if you're paranoid, use OpenBSD.

    2. Re:Difference Net, Open, and Free BSD = ? by Plunky · · Score: 1
      For a non BSD type could some one explain the USER difference in Net, Open and Free BSD in 10 word or less.

      same derivation and similar aims but not the same realisation.

    3. Re: Difference Net, Open, and Free BSD = ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "same derivation and similar aims but not the same realisation."

      Damnit I wish I could mod you up! That was funny, insightful, informative AND underrated!

    4. Re:Difference Net, Open, and Free BSD = ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Consult the Wikipedia.

    5. Re:Difference Net, Open, and Free BSD = ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      paranoids => OpenBSD,
      linuxlike pc-centrics => FreeBSD,
      for the rest => NetBSD

      10 words :)

    6. Re:Difference Net, Open, and Free BSD = ? by Arandir · · Score: 1

      For a non Linux type could some one explain the USER difference in Fedora, SuSE and Mandriva in 10 word or less.

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    7. Re:Difference Net, Open, and Free BSD = ? by Shanep · · Score: 1

      I like NetBSD, because it's fast enough IMHO, and very clean and well documented. If you want maximum performance, and maybe more multimedia drivers, get FreeBSD; if you're paranoid, use OpenBSD.

      I think there is a lot more to OpenBSD though. I find it is very clean in layout and the documentation is great. OpenBSD also has some cool features and great WiFi support.

      I love using them all BTW. I use OpenBSD whenever I don't need extreme speed. I really wish OpenBSD had unified buffer cache, I find NetBSD's UBC is hyper fast and I assume FreeBSD also has UBC because it is also that fast (a little faster). To test this, make a large file (must be larger than half your RAM size) and then write a script to read it over and over and couple thousand times. Perhaps insert an echo into the loop to show the current iteration number. FreeBSD and NetBSD are hyper fast, OpenBSD is much slower (the performance delta depends on the difference between RAM and disk speed) and the various Linux distros I've tried seem to be broken when trying this (ridiculously slow).

      You should note that NetBSD and FreeBSD read the file off disk once (disk light activity seen) and then read the file over and over again from RAM (disk activity light out). With OpenBSD the disk activity light is constantly on for each iteration (Due to simultaneous caching AND buffering? Because more that half RAM size can't fit in RAM twice?). I thought Linux had UBC but it also has the disk activity light constantly on, yet it is MUCH MUCH slower than OpenBSD!

      What's the story here? When I was testing this I was expecting newer distros of Linux (SuSE 10, Ubuntu) to be a little faster than FreeBSD.

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    8. Re:Difference Net, Open, and Free BSD = ? by Ulrich+Hobelmann · · Score: 0

      Yes, OpenBSD is great. It's probably just as clean as NetBSD, but NetBSD has more cutting-edge features, such as UBC, and it's more portable.

      One of my reasons for NetBSD is also that the OpenBSD guys don't provide free disk images. I don't want to spend any money on software right now.

      I don't know about Linux's internals compared to the BSDs. Public opinion has it that Linux and FreeBSD are both pretty optimized. Maybe you've found a "hole" in Linux's performance after all...

    9. Re:Difference Net, Open, and Free BSD = ? by Nimrangul · · Score: 1

      Free disk images, what are you on? Are you looking for free ISOs? Make your own. Looking for premade installs for VMWare? Do a netinstall.

      The stuff is free to download, dumbass. CVS, FTP and HTTP are hard huh? Or is it that making an ISO is scarey?

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    10. Re:Difference Net, Open, and Free BSD = ? by Ulrich+Hobelmann · · Score: 1

      Yeah right, insult me, call me dumbass, fuckhead.

      Looking for free ISOs? Make my own? That's just what I was talking about, FYI. I don't care enough to somehow create my own iso, I simply download one and install it.

      Oh, if that's sooo below your level of sophistication, go ahead. I only stated why I was perfectly happy with NetBSD, and convenience was a small factor too.

    11. Re:Difference Net, Open, and Free BSD = ? by Shanep · · Score: 1

      Looking for free ISOs? Make my own? That's just what I was talking about, FYI. I don't care enough to somehow create my own iso, I simply download one and install it.

      Hi Ulrich.

      I did a quick search for where you might be located, to point you to an appropriate ftp server if you ever change your mind and noticed that you're into some interesting languages, including assembler. So I wouldn't be calling you a dumbass. ; )

      If at some stage in the future you might like to try making your own OpenBSD CD. It is quick and easy for i386.

      From one of the ftp sites like ftp://ftp.de.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/3.8/i386 just download the files in that directory and use cdrom38.fs as the 2.88Mb boot floppy image as an El-Torito boot image. You should be able to do this no problem with mkisofs, I'm lazy and just use Nero from a Windows machine, but I should script it one day.

      Typically your arch of choice will be about 150Mb. For stuff like sparc64 and macppc I use the appropriate cdrom38.iso image and then perform a network install or swap CD's when it comes time to copy files off the CD if you choose to install from CD.

      There are some good guides for doing this.

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    12. Re:Difference Net, Open, and Free BSD = ? by Ulrich+Hobelmann · · Score: 1

      Cool, thanks. I might try it out sometime.

    13. Re:Difference Net, Open, and Free BSD = ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love using them all BTW. I use OpenBSD whenever I don't need extreme speed. I really wish OpenBSD had unified buffer cache, I find NetBSD's UBC is hyper fast and I assume FreeBSD also has UBC because it is also that fast (a little faster). To test this, make a large file (must be larger than half your RAM size) and then write a script to read it over and over and couple thousand times. Perhaps insert an echo into the loop to show the current iteration number. FreeBSD and NetBSD are hyper fast, OpenBSD is much slower (the performance delta depends on the difference between RAM and disk speed) and the various Linux distros I've tried seem to be broken when trying this (ridiculously slow).

      You must be doing something wrong or your file size must exceed free memory available in Linux,
      because otherwise this should always come out of pagecache in Linux.

      UBC in Linux means that the "buffer cache" (which was a cache for block devices) and the pagecache
      are unified, that is the buffer cache is just part of the pagecache for a block device file rather
      than a regular filesystem file.

      As far as I can gather, people talking about UBC in OpenBSD refer to unification of the cache
      backing mmap memory and read(2) system calls of the same file,offset. And I believe your workload
      should run completely out of cache in OpenBSD as well - the way to trigger bad behaviour is to
      read first with a read(2) call, then by faulting in an mmaped page, and repeat.

  8. Mac OS X by christurkel · · Score: 2, Informative

    Looks like the Mac OS X port needs some updating. It still requires a UFS disk image, even though HFS+ can be made case sensitive and the instructions are only updated to Mac OS X 10.2 (!). Someone needs to update the port install process and test it on newer systems.

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    1. Re:Mac OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mac OS X port of what??? NetBSD runs on Macs, not Mac OS X...

    2. Re:Mac OS X by mcubed · · Score: 1
      the instructions are only updated to Mac OS X 10.2

      Fine with me, as that's what I'm using ... or rather, trying to use. There's so much that won't run on it that it feels like Windows 98 in terms of functionality. So I've been trying to decide between NetBSD, OpenBSD, Debian, and Ubuntu as a replacement for this aged, hobbled OS.

      Michael

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    3. Re:Mac OS X by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Any Mac that will run OS X 10.2 is a perfect candidate for Darwin. I'd run NetBSD on it, of course, but Darwin will run fine, too.

    4. Re:Mac OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can only assume you are talking about pkgsrc, not NetBSD itself. I run 10.4.4 here, and you don't need the binary kit (the 10.2 one you are talking about) to get going. Just get a case sensitive file system, (The mac native one is better than UFS on OSX), then cd pkgsrc/bootstrap, and sudo ./bootstrap. It will build bmake and the includes etc that pkgsrc needs. After that, install pkgtools/pkg_install and you are away.

    5. Re:Mac OS X by dadragon · · Score: 1

      He was talking about NetBSD's pkgsrc packaging system, similar to portage and FreeBSD's ports.

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  9. NetBSD consistently churns out good product... by pschmied · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...despite their relatively small developer and user community.

    The Q3/4 status report indicates what seems to be the modus operandi for the NetBSD team: consistent incremental gains.

    I have an immense amount of respect for the NetBSD project. OpenBSD drives the BSDs (and Linux) to be more secure. FreeBSD traditionally has shown us what a great administrative user experience should be like. NetBSD continues to show us the way with respect to proper system architecture.

    For example, NetBSD and FreeBSD (and OpenBSD?) natively support the same wireless hardware that Linux does. The difference? I can configure WEP and/or WPA through the exact same ifconfig that I use to configure a wired ethernet interface. No madwifi drivers. No 'download' wpa_supplicant. No difference that I'm setting up "different" network hardware. It's all just network hardware.

    In my opinion Linux's weakest point is its kernel. The userland is great for the most part, but the kernel and the parts of the userland that deal directly with the kernel seem to be its major flaw. To follow the networking example: because the underlying wireless system is so fragmentary in Linux, NetworkManager (a good attempt at a friendly gui network profile configurator) feels like a bit of a bubblegum and bailing wire solution. This isn't NetworkManager's fault, it's Linux's for not providing a consistent system API for wireless. In NetBSD (FreeBSD & OpenBSD?) this isn't the case.

    Alas, Linux (and it's collection of cool features like boot splash screens, polished user interfaces and installers, good binary OpenGL video drivers, great hardware detection utilities, commercial support on the server side, native Sun Java support, etc.) enjoys ubiquity while well architected systems like NetBSD languish in relative obscurity.

    The cool Linux features often feel hackish (have you ever built an isolinux splash screen? NetBSD has always struck me as a natural choice for building a user-oriented/workstation distribution. Some of the little features are missing in NetBSD, but they could be added easily by a team focused on such a task. If a Mark Shuttleworth style billionaire pulled an Ubuntu with NetBSD, I think the world would generally be a better place.

    -Peter

    1. Re:NetBSD consistently churns out good product... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      In my opinion Linux's weakest point is its kernel.

      FYI, Linux *is* just a kernel

    2. Re:NetBSD consistently churns out good product... by Tweekster · · Score: 1

      Thats a little pedantic since he OBVIOUSLY meant linux systems (AKA the majority of distros + kernel in combination)

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    3. Re:NetBSD consistently churns out good product... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Alas, Linux (and it's collection of cool features like boot splash screens, polished user interfaces and installers, good binary OpenGL video drivers, great hardware detection utilities, commercial support on the server side, native Sun Java support, etc.) enjoys ubiquity while well architected systems like NetBSD languish in relative obscurity.

      NetBSD isn't 'languishing in obscurity.' If you shoveled in all that croft and crud on top of NetBSD, it would be just as ugly and baroque as an OS ('Distro') based on the Linux kernel is.

      NetBSD just is, and for the people who use it, that's what they want it to be. You head down a path to convergence when you run a BSD. Everything stays consistent over the long term, so instead of continually re-learning the latest python-based gui-goop config utility, you gradually learn what each and every line in the important files in /etc is for.

      Do they even bother to produce Manpages for Linux anymore, or do people just follow the 'recipies' in HOWTO documents and/or click at pretty buttons?

    4. Re:NetBSD consistently churns out good product... by Shanep · · Score: 1

      Everything stays consistent over the long term, so instead of continually re-learning the latest python-based gui-goop config utility, you gradually learn what each and every line in the important files in /etc is for.

      That's what I love about the BSD's. I can install OpenBSD, NetBSD or FreeBSD in minutes with X because they are consistent and not bloated. I mostly use OpenBSD, however once I start installing one of the others, the differences come back to me quickly because they have each been consistent.

      I love that. They are familiar tools for me and which enable me to work at my capacity. Trying something and then finding that it fails because something has been deprecated or replaced is not good. I think that shows an experimental feel to the various Linux distros which indulge in those "improvements".

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    5. Re:NetBSD consistently churns out good product... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You are mistaken sir, OpenBSD supports more wireless than Linux out of the box and NetBSD imported that.

    6. Re:NetBSD consistently churns out good product... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry if not everyone equates Linux with whole distros like you do. I don't care what excuses you come up with. I dont see any kind of userland shit on kernel.org so Linux *still remains* just a fucking kernel. Why the fuck is he blaming the "weak userland" on Linux? What's weak is his brain.

    7. Re:NetBSD consistently churns out good product... by latroM · · Score: 1

      In my opinion Linux's weakest point is its kernel.

      Linux IS the kernel, nothing else. That's why there is a problem you describe.

    8. Re:NetBSD consistently churns out good product... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahhh! that simply moronic sensation...

      I'm sorry if not everyone equates Linux with a nude kernel like you do. I don't care what excuses you come up with. I dont see any kind of "just the kernel here" shit on Linux.org (what the heck did you mean? That only OS kernel in the world is the Linux kernel, for that's the only one you'll find in kernel.org) but, yeah, a ton of different apps, so Linux *still remains* just a fucking lot of whole distributions over the Linux kernel. Why the fuck is he blaming the "weak userland" on Linux? What's weak is his brain. No doubt of this.

    9. Re:NetBSD consistently churns out good product... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a C coder, I also enjoy NetBSD with its stable APIs.
      This also partakes in making the BSD systems very stable,
      i.e. it is not rare that I need to try out several Linux
      kernel revisions when upgrading for all of the features
      I need to continue working flawlessly. This has never
      been a problem for me on NetBSD.

      In an case, the Linux binary compatibility layer works
      very well for the JRE/JDK. Where accelerated GL is needed
      FreeBSD also currently remains a choice.

    10. Re:NetBSD consistently churns out good product... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Do they even bother to produce Manpages for Linux anymore,

      If they do you would never know it. The state of Linux documentation is absolutely deplorable (and always has been). I hope the BSDs will continue their support for good documentation (though you can find examples of slightly out of date or inaccurate manpages).

  10. EHCI - Mass Storage. and iPods by Tweekster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Has there been any work on EHCI USB controllers, in combo with Mass Storage Devices... Last time I tried NetBSD it was a sad state in that aspect (the rest of the system completely rocked though) Basically, iPod Minis wont work if you have that combination (atleast USB2 that is) I was kind of shocked when I was trying to get support and the answer was "Buy a firewire card" right...cause thats not exactly a suitable solution considering how popular EHCI / Mass storage is. Id love to check it out again, is there any recent livecds available?

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    1. Re:EHCI - Mass Storage. and iPods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      use [ou]hci instead! Yes, I know its slower but it works :) although no-one can fix your ehci/umass probs unless you tell someone on the netbd mailing lists or iRC, rather then complaining on /. and possibly spreading FUD.

    2. Re:EHCI - Mass Storage. and iPods by Tweekster · · Score: 1

      Yeah OHCI, now that is a brilliant solution...

      I didnt bother posting on the message boards or file a bug report because there are already a couple of dozen reports and threads all without solution..

      so no it's not FUD, and it wasnt a complaint, it was a question whether anyone is aware of improvements to that architecture....

      on a side note, just how much did you smoke this morning to come up with what you did from what i wrote... cause it must be a LOT!.

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    3. Re:EHCI - Mass Storage. and iPods by LizardKing · · Score: 1

      I had problems with an iPod mini over USB - it seems that the iPod doesn't perform a connection handshake properly, leaving the host waiting for a response that never comes. This has been worked around, and NetBSD 3.0 works perfectly with my iPod mini (all praise to gtkpod). It certainly sounds like you hit the same issue, so I'd suggest giving NetBSD another try. As for live CD's, if you can't find a recent one on the mailing lists, then you could try making one with mklivecd.

    4. Re:EHCI - Mass Storage. and iPods by Arandir · · Score: 1

      OT: FreeBSD 6.0 got a huge improvement in this area. Finally I can plug in a 2.0 USB thumbdrive and have it attach to EHCI and a high speed interface.

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    5. Re:EHCI - Mass Storage. and iPods by Tweekster · · Score: 1

      Excellent, thanks for the update I knew it didnt work around 2.0 but hadnt been able to find out specifically for newer versions.

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  11. FreeBSD too by h_benderson · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Also, FreeBSD released their status report for the forth quarter of 2005 yesterday.

    http://www.ch.freebsd.org/news/status/report-oct-2 005-dec-2005.html

  12. minor nit Re: wpa_supplicant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You actually do need it, even on NetBSD, if you want to use WPA. I believe that's to keep the complexity of the WPA protocol out of the kernel. Of course, one you have the connection to the wireless network, then the rest of the configuration uses ifconfig, just like any other interface.

    1. Re:minor nit Re: wpa_supplicant by ci4 · · Score: 1

      it's a standard part of -current nowadays, not the latest version though.

  13. Oh The Irony... by devphaeton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm just now giving NetBSD a serious try. I half-heartedly installed it on one of my little-used machines some time ago (1.6.1 iirc), but didn't really spend a lot of time with it. My main workstation is Fbsd 6.0, but i'm having an issue with a series of bugs or quirks in sysinstall and glibs in the ports collection. Maybe I'm just thick or something, but after a couple of months of googling, mopish hacks and/or otherwise trying to resolve these I'm running out of motivation. (There are open bug reports on most of these issues but they don't affect everyone so they're not being followed up on. Fbsd devels are busy with more important things, and I appreciate that).

    So for now I've decided to upgrade that little 1.6.1 machine to 3.0 and try that out for awhile. Take a break from my issues above. So far I like it. I had the assumption that nbsd would be "all business no fun" (like obsd) but I'm pleasantly surprised. pkgsrc seems no less comprehensive than FreeBSD's ports selection (well duh), or at least I'm finding all the stuff that -I- use in there.

    I still feel like I'm running away from my problems but at the moment nbsd seems like a nice umbrella to stand under for the time being.

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    1. Re:Oh The Irony... by devphaeton · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I like my post too, but how did it get modded +1 Insightful? :oP

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  14. wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2 whole hours this has been up and no "netcraft has confirmed that BSD is dying" posts.

    1. Re:wow by Nimrangul · · Score: 1

      That's because there's no BSD section in the list on the menu to the left, they think it's self evident now.

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  15. BSD section Re:wow by NuShrike · · Score: 1

    Why isn't there one on the left anymore? Is it because it may be low traffic compared to the other sections? Taco is going to phase this section out?

    I've had to explicitly add it as a viewable section to the right in my logged in mode.

    1. Re:BSD section Re:wow by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1
      I've had to explicitly add it as a viewable section to the right in my logged in mode.

      Must be a bug. BSD is enabled in my preferences (along with apache, Science, etc) but I don't see the link.

    2. Re:BSD section Re:wow by Shanep · · Score: 1

      Must be a bug.

      Speaking of bugs. Has slashdot been really slow lately (every now and then) for anyone else here or just me?

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      War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
    3. Re:BSD section Re:wow by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1
      Has slashdot been really slow lately

      Pages seem to occasionally time out. But I wonder if it is one of the included pages. Possibly the google advertising stuff.

  16. OpenBSD on a different track by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I somehow predict a yet another article soon...
    Nope, OpenBSD marches to the beat of a different drummer. But if there were, it would be something like this:
    -Sold Fewer CDs, please buy one, it keeps us hacking
    -Had a great Hackathon in Italy
    -Our Software runs more good wireless hardware, UNENCUMBERED!
    -If we like it and program it, and you like it, that's great

  17. Q3/Q4? by miscellaneous_havoc · · Score: 1

    I was thinking some kind of port of Quake 3 and Quake 4 had come about! Now that would be a reason to switch from Ubuntu to NetBSD.

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  18. Async IO and RT Signals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When is NetBSD going to incorporate support for the SUS3 asynchrouse I/O and real-time signals APIs? I believe FreeBSD recently added these. Anyone know?