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Gecko's Feet Power New RAM Chips

An anonymous reader writes "IT Week has a story about carbon nanotubes being used to make memory chips. As the name suggests, carbon nanotubes are extremely small cylinders of carbon, and they have some similar properties to the extremely fine hairs on the feet of Geckos that enable the lizards to climb walls and hang from ceilings. The new chips work faster than current technologies, and hold their data without needing a power source." We've previously discussed this technology.

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  1. Misleading Title by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Carbon nanotubes are about 200 times more sticky than the gecko's foot hairs, and their semiconducting nature is being exploited to make memory chips. To put it somewhat crudely, these work by slinging tiny mats of carbon nanotubes between lumps of silicon inside a chip to form very small bridge-like structures.
    I didn't see any evidence in this article of the technology coming from inspection of Gecko feet. It appears that these "bucky tubes" where constructed and then someone said, "Oh, look, they're like setae!" I'm highly dubious that anyone studied Gecko feet and started to build silicon chips out of the tiny hairs.

    This article could more aptly be titled, "New technology happens to reflect Gecko trait."
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    1. Re:Misleading Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      [hick]

      "New technology happens to reflect Gecko trait."

      ?????????

      ......

      I assume writing articles has never been big for you

    2. Re:Misleading Title by metlin · · Score: 1


      You know, Slashdot titles aren't aimed at being perfect - they are aimed at being catchy, and most do a good job of it.

      Since this is not particularly a scientific journal, I'd rather have the former and have it catch my eye than being drab and something that I'd skip over.

    3. Re:Misleading Title by feranick · · Score: 1

      I agree the title is kind of mesleading. It's actually the first time I heard about this comparison. Nanotubes are studied because of the electrical properties that thay have in relation of their small size. In other words they are the perfect candidate to substitute metal wires in circuitry. They are under study as possible hydrogen storage systems.

      So apart from the fact that they are "small", I don't really see any fitting comparison with the Gecko. Unless we could use a Gecko as the next RAM. Ah that's it! The perfect "organic" electronic device!

      It's just misleading.
    4. Re:Misleading Title by alcmaeon · · Score: 2, Funny
      You know, Slashdot titles aren't aimed at being perfect - they are aimed at being catchy, and most do a good job of it.

      Since this is not particularly a scientific journal, I'd rather have the former and have it catch my eye than being drab and something that I'd skip over.

      If all you want is an article that will grab attention and get people to read and respond to it, then all articles on Slashdot should just be titled "Linux sucks" and you will be guaranteed everyone will read them. :-P

    5. re: Misleading Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... but will it save me a bunch of money on my car insurance?

    6. Re:Misleading Title by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      wait.. so can we make gloves and boots outta this stuff and walk around on buildings like spiderman?

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    7. Re:Misleading Title by bigpicture · · Score: 1

      You are right as I understand this development, these were two separate initiatives, in that they did not take the gecko feet and research the modus operandi and then say how can we apply this principle in useful technology. I think an insurance company did that.

      So any similarities to carbon tubes was mostly accidental.

  2. Great News! by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...I just saved a bunch of money on my car ins...RAM Chips.

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    1. Re:Great News! by Bananatree3 · · Score: 1

      To be honest, this isn't far off. My RAM dealer has been waaaay to expensive lately, and I am looking to switch to a better service.

    2. Re:Great News! by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      I still don't understand why people think ram is expensive. I still remember the day paying (well my father paying) $80 bucks for a 128KB chip (yes that KB not MB)

    3. Re:Great News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a joke... watch a Geico insurance commercial...

    4. Re:Great News! by plantman-the-womb-st · · Score: 1

      I remember paying $240 for parity 4mb ram. Each.

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    5. Re:Great News! by mattcasters · · Score: 1


      That's nothing ;-) An extra whopping 16 kB for my ZX-81 : $400.00!

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    6. Re:Great News! by plantman-the-womb-st · · Score: 1

      OK, you two are making me feel like a little kid when I started out feeling old. Thanks!

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    7. Re:Great News! by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      Worst I had was adding 512KB to an AT-class (80286) machine. $12.50/chip and I needed 18 of them. So $450/MB or $406,800 for a full gigabyte of RAM. And that's in 1988 dollars.

      And I thought EDO RAM was expensive ($640/GB in today's prices). That's 1994 technology (an old old Gateway computer).

      Modern memory runs at around $100/GB in comparison.

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  3. These Firefox guys are everywhere by Splinton · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Firefox is now being used to make processors?

    That's incredible!

    Or do they mean just the Gecko developers?

    Do they have to pedal machines to produce power to make the processors? Is THIS how they pay for the time they spend developing OSS??

    Wow - that's commitment

    1. Re:These Firefox guys are everywhere by alfrin · · Score: 1

      And then why are they studying sticky hairs on the bottom of Gecko developer's feet anyways?

    2. Re:These Firefox guys are everywhere by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually they mean that Gecko's memory footprint is so large that you'll need to buy new RAM chips. :-)

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    3. Re:These Firefox guys are everywhere by qray · · Score: 1

      Do they have to pedal machines to produce power to make the processors? Is THIS how they pay for the time they spend developing OSS??

      No all the engergy from keystrokes, mouse movements, and mouse clicks are captured. There's no need for external power or heavy batteries. And no, this doesn't pay for the time, it's pretty much break even, the power generated keeps the system going. This goes along way to explain code bloat.

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    4. Re:These Firefox guys are everywhere by enux · · Score: 1

      Hey there is an idea. Wouldnt it be ahaid of miniturization if they studied crab hair of the stripper called moley. A gecho is about i dont know a million times biger than a crabs.

  4. Nothing new by tomalpha · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is nothing new at all

    I'll grant you that yes, prices have come down recently but surely every geek wants our scientific research budgets spent on a much worthier use for nanotubes.

    1. Re:Nothing new by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

      If this technology can reduce power consumption without having a drastic impact on performance, that puts us up one notch higher in efficiency. Abating an energy crisis and/or reducing energy costs can only help American industry.

      Or are we forgetting that strong industry = more taxes and that NASA gets the shaft most readily when the government feels the need to trim down its budget?

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    2. Re:Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it is relatively new technology. It hasn't been used in any consumer electronic devices yet. That means its new to most consumers. If you RTFA, you would have read this snippet: "Later this year a few vendors, including an American chip cutter called Nantero, will start offering dual in-line memory modules (Dimms) built with a new material called carbon nanotubes, sometimes also referred to as buckytubes." So basically, you will be able to buy this in consumer technology "later this year". That, to me, is news.

    3. Re:Nothing new by renrutal · · Score: 0

      You're surely underestimationg our geeky definition for worth, what geek wouldn't want new faster power-saving RAMs?

      Now only if it was cheap... (-:

  5. It's escaped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hunni could you get the RAM off the ceiling again please!!

  6. Shipping this year? by insert+cool+name · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to TFA they'll be shipping "later this year".

    This seems somewhat unlikely, but would be cool if it was true. High speed USB pendrive anyone?

    Little short on technical detail though. How many read-write cycles can these things do?

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    1. Re:Shipping this year? by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      According to TFA they'll be shipping "later this year".

      It really is remarkable. Revolutionary technologies that will completely change the way computers are made have been promised and promoted for years, always with ridiculously optimistic (Duke Nukem Forever style) timelines. Yet here we are today, using computers that are largely evolutions of old technologies.

    2. Re:Shipping this year? by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

      Well, the average Gecko's lifespan is about 20 years... so I'm thinking it will be somewhere right around there.

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    3. Re:Shipping this year? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1
      Revolutionary technologies that will completely change the way computers are made have been promised and promoted for years, always with ridiculously optimistic (Duke Nukem Forever style) timelines.

      Indeed, just for RAM, we have MRAM, FRAM, Z-RAM and now Carbon Nanotube RAM ... did I forget any?
      And yet, all computers are still running on conventional DRAM.
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    4. Re:Shipping this year? by BigDumbAnimal · · Score: 2, Informative

      You will still be limited by the bus speed. In my experience, I've never gotten more than around 20MB/sec from USB2.0 or Firewire (1394a). That 480Mbps (60MBps) that USB 2.0 claims is a pipe dream.

    5. Re:Shipping this year? by enux · · Score: 1

      Well I would sujest its fast!!! You ever see a geco run across your cealing. If it works that fast for him how could we humans f that up.

    6. Re:Shipping this year? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could always use eSATA then (external Serial ATA), it should be able to work really well and should be appearing on most new motherboards soon (though you could always buy an expansion card also).

    7. Re:Shipping this year? by Alsee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How many read-write cycles can these things do?

      I admit I'm just speculating here, but most sorts of application carbon nanotubes are damn-near indestructible. Admittedly this operation involves physical bending and flopping back and forth and would normally rais issues on mechanical wear and tear, but nanotubes are single molecules. A single molecule does not "wear and tear". I don't think these would have any meaningfull read-write cycle issues like Flash memory has.

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    8. Re:Shipping this year? by dave1g · · Score: 1

      Molecules do wear and tear. Protiens for instance have a limited lifespan.

    9. Re:Shipping this year? by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Protines are certainly subject to chemical attack, and are obvious subject to assault by all sorts of chemicals inside a cell, and subject to oxygent attack in open air. Presumably the internals of a microchip would be chemically inert and most likely a vacuum. So that really shouldn't be relevant. Oh, and comparing protines to carbon nanotubes is about the same as comparing a tomato to a diamond. Protines are complecx and fairly fragile and easily subject to all sorts of attack and damage. Carbon nanotubes are essentially tiny solid dimonds. Extremely simple and powerfully resistant to most kinds of attack.

      But the main point I was trying to make was that molecules are not subject to physical wear and tear. That's usually what people mean by "wear and tear", and locked inside a microchip the idea of chemical attack didin't even enter the picture.

      Nothing short of extreme heat, cosmic rays, or signifigant voltage spike is likely to break the powerful covalent bonds in a carbon nanotube, not sealed inside a cleanroom microchip.

      I doubt that these sorts of memory chips would have any more lifetime isses than current common DRAM chips. They'd be vunerable to almost the exact same sources of damage to basically the same degree.

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  7. Good news! by MustardMan · · Score: 1

    It's a suppository!

  8. Not informative by karvind · · Score: 3, Informative
    TFA is completely useless, it is generic wall_street_please_all kind of tone without any technical details. And the article linked in the main story (Y-shaped nanotubes) has nothing to do with Nantero.

    We had been covering Nantero for a long time on slashdot:

    Carbon Nanotube Memory on the Way

    Nanotube Non-Volatile Memory Entering Production

    Nanotube Applications Grow And Grow (mentions about NVRAM)

    Buckminsterfullerene Strikes Again - Nanotube RAM

  9. NOT a Misleading Title by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you RTFA, you'll see that the "gecko phenomenon" is the basis for the device's retention of memory when the power is off. The bits are encoded by whether the tubules are erect (open circuit) or bent-over and touching the substrate (closed circuit). When the power is removed, the same van der Waals forces that underpin gecko toes keeps the fiber in the down position.

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    1. Re:NOT a Misleading Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
      When the power is removed, the same van der Waals forces that underpin gecko toes keeps the fiber in the down position.
      Kinda' gives new meaning to "sticky bit" notion.
    2. Re:NOT a Misleading Title by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      It is a misleading title - these new RAM chips do not use gecko feet as power sources.

    3. Re:NOT a Misleading Title by hmccabe · · Score: 1

      Cool, just so long as it's not really made from gecko feet. I would hate to have non-vegan ram.

    4. Re:NOT a Misleading Title by corngrower · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is these things can hold an erection for long periods of time.

  10. Mandatory by Skythe · · Score: 2, Funny

    I for one welcome our new RAM-wielding opressive and tyrannical gecko overlords.

  11. Misleading First Post by Mushdot · · Score: 1

    The title doesn't suggest that the technology was born out of studying Geckos. It's a catchy title to engage you in reading the article.

  12. Carbon Flash Drive by xdjyoshx · · Score: 0

    I want a carbon flash drive. Or better yet, a nanotube iPod nano. Damnit, just when i thought that i knew every nick-name for USB key's. I guess i can be the first to call it the gecko drive. What's the bus speed on one of them there gecko chips? Oh wait it really has nothing to do with gecko's. I was mislead. Do you work for the Bush administration?

  13. Well, then it would be just as accurate... by msauve · · Score: 2

    to say that the "The bits ... encoded by whether the tubules are erect (open circuit) or bent-over" are based on Viagra.

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    1. Re:Well, then it would be just as accurate... by Mercano · · Score: 1

      Great, so the first spam message I get sets everything in RAM to 1?

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    2. Re:Well, then it would be just as accurate... by karnal · · Score: 1

      So if my memory holds it's contents for more than 4 hours after "powering off", do I need to call my doctor?

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  14. The real story: "later this year" by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

    If the article is correct (which is not certain), companies will produce chips like this, "later this year".

    The article isn't clear about whether these will be engineering samples or full production products. But if they are full production products, and can be produced at volume soon after, this will be huge.

    For at least four years I've been following news about non-volatile memory technologies like MRAM (Magnetic RAM) and FeRAM (Fero-Electric RAM). The common availability of these RAMs will have massive implications for operating system, file system, and database design. The computer science and software engineering community will for years be preoccupied with the consequences.

    So if the article is true, we computer scientist types are guaranteed a few years of tremendous fun. Or the article is full of crap and just another rose-tinted article by some indiscriminant author.

    1. Re:The real story: "later this year" by enux · · Score: 1

      Well sounds to me like we have no more hard drive its going to be called geco hair drive.Unless hard well refer to the erection of the hair.Then its going to be called viagra drive. The drive that keeps on giving. Imagin that no more rpms. I wonder how long a drive like that would last. How large would it be in a 3 1/2 inch format. They might have a 500,000 gig hard drive. Wouldnt that be hairy

    2. Re:The real story: "later this year" by WoodieR · · Score: 1

      I agree, where the heck are all these MRAM and FeRAM systems that we were promised would be on the shelves several years ago ??? did Microsoft or the DRAMurai, or Intel, or Rambus or some other combination of these malevolent entities, sideline these either through outright manipulation of governing bodies, or manufacturers, or governments, and agencies ??? but something / someone HAD to be involved at a much higher level ... to make these technologies vanish ...

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  15. This is exciting! by putko · · Score: 1

    It looks like an entirely new form of memory. That's really something!

    If these guys manage to make this work, they'll be increidbly well off and famous.

    I love how the stuff is hundreds of times smaller than the state of the art!

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  16. Upcoming lizard related technology... by Churla · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Soft-tongue" - This will allow code to adaptively eat bugs in software. MS has been rumored to be in talks to buy this technology outright. Unfortunately it will also be unsightly enough to creep out your significant other. (which means it will fit in with most other MS software)

    "Chameleo-browser" - A new plugin for firefox which will allow porn pages, when seen from a distance to blend in with spreadsheets and become unnoticable.

    ** Note - In response to these advances the LOST (Lizard Open Source Team) has chosen to patent their genetic makeup to prevent futher abuses of their technology. NTP will be handling the patents.

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    1. Re:Upcoming lizard related technology... by Joe+Random · · Score: 1
      "Chameleo-browser" - A new plugin for firefox which will allow porn pages, when seen from a distance to blend in with spreadsheets and become unnoticable.
      Done and done (but not as a plugin). Introducing Ghostzilla!
  17. Gecko's Feet Power New RAM Chips by Quirk · · Score: 2, Funny

    Shouldn't that read: Gecko's Feet Feat...?

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  18. Carbon nanotube and Flashes don't mix by Aumaden · · Score: 1

    Nanotubes go flash bang wallop

    (Yeah, I know you didn't mean that kind of flash, but the video is kinda cool.)

  19. Here's a thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone thought about using this technology not only for RAM chips, but as a possible solution to fast, solid-state hard drives?

  20. Boycott... by modi123 · · Score: 2, Funny

    As a long standing representative of the International Gecko Consortium, I am here by boycotting the sales of these supposed "RAM chips" for the implication and devaluing of the inherent value of our feet. We of the IGC will not stand idly by and watch you non reptilians continue to mount slanderous comments on our good name. Additionally we call into question the nature of this 'research' done by The Man - no upstanding Gecko would allow themselves to be poked, prodded, or subjected to any scientific research that would violate our religious and social mores. Furthermore if there are any geckos in captivity against their will we demand a full release and all forthcoming medical expenses for their recuperation will be paid in full by you, the evil mammalian overlords. It is high time be break the bonds of secondhand citizenship and take our place as equals!

    Viva the green revolution!

  21. lizards by Bloggins · · Score: 1

    Lizards that walk on ceilings... Ha. I suppose you have evidence that disproves Intelligent Design too....

    1. Re:lizards by steve_l · · Score: 2, Funny

      The interesting thing about gecko feet is that they work in a vacuum, unlike suction pads of other things.

      This gives the evolutionaries a problem "why did geckos evolve to stick to things in a vacuum". It also gives the ID-believes a different problem "why did the intelligent designer give geckos the ability to stick to things in a vacuum"?

      it also raises another question: what experiments were done to determine which animals can stick to walls in a vaccuum, and which cant. I can imagine a large glass container with all these animals clinging to the side, all the air being slowly sucked out and things like flies falling off as suction failes, but the geckos hanging on until the loss of air pressure causes their bodies to explode in a red pulp, leaving just four little feet, stuck to the wall.

    2. Re:lizards by Bloggins · · Score: 1

      Hum, perhaps the ID creator wanted them to be the space fairing species in addition to selling insurance. Funny image by the way, four little lizard feet stuck to the side of a large (gecko sized) glass container with red/greenish organic splat/matter slipping down the oposite wall of the container.

    3. Re:lizards by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Maybe the geckos are the Intelligent Designers.

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    4. Re:lizards by sirnuke · · Score: 1

      Or maybe the intelligent designer supervisors saved a lot of money on creating the world by outsourcing to geckos.

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    5. Re:lizards by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you can't build a planet unless you can walk on stuff in a vacuum.

      Who says God couldn't subcontract to the ambphibians... um... reptiles. Which one are they anyway?

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    6. Re:lizards by smithmc · · Score: 1

        This gives the evolutionaries a problem "why did geckos evolve to stick to things in a vacuum"

      They didn't. They evolved in a way that sticks to things in the atmosphere, that also happens to stick to things in a vacuum.

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    7. Re:lizards by Shemmie · · Score: 1

      it also raises another question: what experiments were done to determine which animals can stick to walls in a vaccuum, and which cant. I can imagine a large glass container with all these animals clinging to the side, all the air being slowly sucked out and things like flies falling off as suction failes, but the geckos hanging on until the loss of air pressure causes their bodies to explode in a red pulp, leaving just four little feet, stuck to the wall.

      That'd make a great Joe Cartoon sketch.

  22. Finally! by AugstWest · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can get my computer off the desk and stick it to the wall.

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  23. So... by lagerbottom · · Score: 1

    This isn't about a rendering engine?

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  24. Gecko's "feet" by abiessu · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one that read the title like this: "Gecko has such a large memory footprint that advances in memory technology were necessary..."?

    Not that I actually notice Gecko being a memory hog or anything...

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  25. The Writer of TFA clearly doesn't know much by SpeakerToManagers · · Score: 5, Interesting
    He says breezily,
    Although they don't occur naturally, they have similar properties to setae ...
    The first part of that sentence is absolutely false, since buckytubes are found in large quantities in ordinary soot, for instance from candles. The only reason we can't just burn candles to make our RAM chips is that there are a lot of different kinds of tube in the soot: single-walled tubes of different chirali ties, multi-walled (concentric) tubes with different numbers of tubes nested within, and various pieces of partially-closed carbon sheets. Buckytubes interesting properties are largely the result of having tubes of a single, known, type, so soot isn't terribly useful by itself. The second part of the sentence is true, but not terribly important, since almost any nanostructure with long, thin parts would exhibit significant van der Waals force when brought in contact with a surface. That's how an atomic force microscope works. I'd say the author is dependent on press releases for everything in the article, and so I wouldn't trust anything he had to say very much, especially the statement that we'll see commercial chips this year. Speaker
  26. Would this benefit current computers by Fuzzball963 · · Score: 1

    I'm assuming these chips will retain the standard DIMM shape? And if so, how would it benefit me by dropping it into say a current motherboard? Just the ability to have very fast page reads and storage? Will it really be of benefit to consumers or more for servers?

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  27. Another Misleading Thing... by VernonNemitz · · Score: 1

    The "IT Week" article also mentions, "And they would enable computers to switch on in an instant, which could be good for everyone."
    ROFL! "Today my brand new Gecko-Brand PC, installed with Windows Vista and all the latest Service Packs ... locked up. I turned it off to reboot, but it is STILL locked up. What do I do now?"

    Those chips had BETTER be equipped with some sort of Clear All Memory functionality. :)

  28. OB Invader ZIM by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

    Get away. You smell like feet!

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  29. I fear something terrible has happened... by aconkling · · Score: 1

    ...as if millions of geckos suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

  30. Gecko feet powered? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Umm, so they put a gecko running in a cage to power the memory? So what, people have been doing that with hamsters for years.

  31. RFC 1149 by Alsee · · Score: 1

    from the i-don't-want-to-use-fred-flintstone's-computer dept.

    What, you don't like Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers?

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  32. Not Interested by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    Those bonds allow geckos to climb walls and hang from a pane of glass. Carbon nanotubes are about 200 times more sticky than the geckos foot hairs, and their semiconducting nature is being exploited to make memory chips. The coming chips cant walk up walls..."

    Then forget it.

    1. Re:Not Interested by Derf+the · · Score: 1

      No, No, you've missed the point.
      Using ordinary old spatulas spread over a couple of human hands you could hold 40kg (Dr. Kellar Autumn. Associate Professor Department of Biology 227 BioPsych Lewis & Clark College from BBC Sci/Tech 7 June 2000). Now lets go multiplying that gripiness by 200 times and I think we can call this dude Spiderman.
      Now wouldn't that stuff, as a nice big splat, at the end of a nice long nano tube rope make a lovely web swing; with the added bonus of being able to turn all those little guys at the end flaccid on command; so, attach on contact, detach on command.
      Now who's not interested.

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