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NASA Public-Affairs Appointee Resigns in Disgrace

belmolis writes "George C. Deutsch, who tried to muzzle top NASA climate scientist James Hansen and ordered NASA web designers to add the word 'theory' to every mention of the Big Bang, has resigned. The New York Times reports that NASA declines to discuss the reasons for his resignation, but that it came the same day that Texas A&M University, from which Deutsch claimed on his resume to have graduated, revealed that he had attended the university but did not complete his degree." The New York Times reports it today, but as of yesterday, it was the Times that had unquestioningly passed along the falsehood of Deutsch's graduation, and it was the blog Scientific Activist whose investigation revealed he'd left before graduating to work on the Bush reelection campaign. For more on the 24-year-old political appointee's interesting viewpoints, see World O' Crap; on Monday, we covered the anger over his attempts to squelch science -- something that, sadly, Jim Hansen has gotten used to.

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  1. Good News and Bad News by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful


    The increasing availability and ease of access of information is making it increasingly difficult to get away with lying.

    Good news for the people, bad news for governments.

    On a related note, that same increasing availability is starting to render traditional news outlets obselete. No wonder they're so upset.

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    1. Re:Good News and Bad News by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd just read the article below before seeing this as well.

      86 Evangelical Leaders Join to Fight Global Warming

      Could this actually mean that well intentioned christians are actually beginning to crawl out from under the thumb of the right-wing extremists like Dobson, Robertson, Bush, etc?

      I know this is only a small beginning and may be offering false hope, but at least its better than the complete lack of any hope for American socieity I'd been feeling recently.

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    2. Re:Good News and Bad News by NialScorva · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Law" is pretty much a relic. If you'll notice, things discovered before the mid 19th century(roughly) tend to be called laws, and things after aren't. Gravity, Thermodynamics, Ideal Gas, and Conservation are laws, while relativity and quantum are theories. Maxwell's Equations are arguably some of the most important relationships in physics, but aren't titled "Law", but Gauss's Law doesn't predate it by much.

      There are exceptions, with no sharp cut off where "Law" became deprecated, but it's usage is far more of a social and philosophical phenomenon than a scientific one.

    3. Re:Good News and Bad News by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Every time I hear someone say, "But it's only a theory, not a fact" I cringe and then immediately ask them if they have a problem with the Theory of Electromagnetism or the Theory of General Relativity since they too are "just theories" and not facts. The usual response is a blank stare as their mind tries to not assplode from having to defend such a ridiculous statement.

      You're in good company. Lord Macaulay in his 1841 speech to parliament on the issue of copyright extension had to deal with exactly this misunderstanding of what a "theory" is:

      My honourable and learned friend talks very contemptuously of those who are led away by the theory that monopoly makes things dear. That monopoly makes things dear is certainly a theory, as all the great truths which have been established by the experience of all ages and nations, and which are taken for granted in all reasonings, may be said to be theories. It is a theory in the same sense in which it is a theory that day and night follow each other, that lead is heavier than water, that bread nourishes, that arsenic poisons, that alcohol intoxicates.


      Always happy to plug one of my favorite writers. Macaulay's riposte probably works better than yours because he uses more homely examples.

      If I had to put the missing point in a nutshell, I'd do it this way: in science, not all theories are true, but all truths are theories. Of course it's a bit of an overstatement, in that one can certainly talk about an individual fact in isolation. But as soon as you try to connect facts, you have a theory.

      Of course religion has its theories as well, which are called "doctrines". For example you have the doctrine of original sin, and the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, which I believe any fundamentalist should be familiar with. These are, within a certain scope "testable", in the sense they can be compared to scriptural sources. The difference between a doctrine and a theory is the ultimate test, the foundation upon which all other tests reside.

      In religion, this is mystical experience. The Christian experiences the Bible as a manifestation of God's grace and love, and therefore accepts it as authoritative. In science the foundation is sensory experience.

      The reason then that many thoughtful religious people reject fundamentalism is that by confusing science and religion, you are in a sense denying grace itself. Fundamentalism is often mixed up with mystical movements like pentacostalism; indeed many individuals are both. But these are inconsistent. Fundamentalism is a form of pseudo-rationalism.

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    4. Re:Good News and Bad News by winwar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "How does every article that mentions science turn out anti-Christian posts?"

      It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Christians are the primary anti-science force in the US and Europe?

      Nah, couldn't be. :)

  2. Number of points by BWJones · · Score: 4, Insightful


    1. Deutsch is young. True, while at 24, Deutsch is young, that really does not say anything about his ability to be a spokesperson for science policy....if he is capable of representing the science for NASA and not necessarily a political agenda.

    2. Deutsch did not graduate college. The fact that he is not a college graduate does not in of itself eliminate him from a spokespersons job. However, the major issue is that he lied about his graduation and because of that lapse in integrity should not be trusted.

    3. Scientific integrity. NASA is an organization that should be proud of its scientific accomplishments and should care enough to represent those achievements to the world through the best possible spokespersons possible. Having these positions as appointed posts rather than earned posts or hires based on merit circumvents this process.

    4. Motivations. Placing limits on science by appointing sycophantic toadies who are carrying out a politically and/or religiously motivated agenda is becoming a recurring theme in this administration which leads one to suspect potentially other agendas.

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  3. Re:The Big Bang by Ubi_NL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From now on, we should only speak of the 'Christianity theory' and the 'Islamic theory', as neither is scientifically proven. For some reason however, I have the feeling that the 'theory' zealots won't like this...

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  4. What's going on? by Fiachra06 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This guy was able to hold a prominent position in the government? Only a day ago we were discussing how this guy was trying to influence NASA's output for a political end and now we find that the people who put him in the job weren't smart enough to do a background check. If you've ever been in poltics this is Lesson #1. Before you put someone in front of a camera to represent you, you make sure of their job credientials.
    It's bad enough that a 24 year old was trying to tell NASA what to do but he never even graduated college. Whoever gave him that job should be fired along with him.

    On a more personal note, Serves you right you dozy eejit.

  5. Re:The Big Bang by grimJester · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Read up on the scientific method, look up the word "fact" in a dictionary and rephrase your question.

  6. Re:Stupid by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    He should have kept his feet calm instead of walking out into political territory with creationist thing. Nobody would have ever noticed his non-existant degree.

    I have been 24 years old. And, at that age, you think you know EVERYTHING. And, I have been involed in politics (when I was about 24 years old, as a matter of fact). Guess what? In politics, when you are on the winning side and you get a political appointee job, you have a huge "ego factor".

    A 24-year old political appointee is, almost by definition, a cocky S.O.B. (not to say all 24-year old political appointees are cocky, but there is a high probability). Asking him to "keep his feet calm" is like asking a shark to ignore the chum in the water.

  7. Please allow me to say: by Vengeance · · Score: 4, Insightful

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!

    Disgrace and shame is better than folks like this deserve, but it's the best we can realistically hope to see. The appointment of political officers to oversee scientific speech smacks of the bad old days of the Cold War, and I mean the BAD guys.

    Unfortunately, this is only one small win for the side of truth, justice, and the American way. We've still got a *long* way to go before honesty and integrity are restored to the government.

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  8. Re:Theory not a bad order by BobTheLawyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really? When I studied for my degree in physics the Big Bang was certainly described as a theory. I'd understand a "model" to be something you construct around a "theory" - the two are not really alternatives.

    That said, the problem here is not the description of the Big Bang as a theory (clearly correct) but that the word is used in a deliberate attempt to mislead the public by confusing the colloquial meaning of "theory" (i.e. not much more than a guess) with the scientific meaning of "theory". I'm betting that this guy didn't insist on NASA desribing rocketry as a "theory".

  9. Appointees by dada21 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I generally laugh when an appointee fails. They aren't a good example of the success of representative democracy, and no matter which side is in power, there are people crying foul about whoever is appointed.

    They lie? Don't all politicians? They're too white? They're too left? They're too right? They're unqualified? They're qualified but they don't have real life experience? They're cronies?

    Let's look at how this works in a free market:

    John Johnson hires his son John Johnson, Jr, to help run his company. Nepotism. John I dies. John Jr takes over, and the general history of business shows us the John Jr has never felt pain, so he doesn't work as hard as he should. Business fails. The market solution is to give the person with the best output and lowest price the work. John Jr rarely will be that person.

    In the market of government, we don't really have much to control. We can't vote with our dollars OR vote with our ballot. We can't directly affect the actions of the appointee, and some appointees are so powerful it amazes me that the country doesn't cry foul more often (see Ben Bernanke).

    Positions of power are better suited to be competitive rather than elected, and better elected rather than appointed. Do you feel better when "your man" is the appointee? Do you forget all the damage that occurs when it isn't "your guy?"

  10. OOOHH I know! by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "Now that this guy is found out to be a fraud, it begs the question as to how many other people are holding positions that they neither deserve nor are qualified to hold? "

    Let's start with the President! *ducks*

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  11. Re:I Work For NASA and Most of This is Patently Fa by digitaldc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I work in the Exploration Systems dept. at NASA.

    ---Oh really? What do you do exactly?

    So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.

    ---That's cool because I wouldn't want this to distract you from your work.

    Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.

    ----Welcome to Slashdot!!

    But trust me.... You don't.

    ----Oh really? Is this some kind of Jedi mind trick?

    I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont know what you are talking about.

    -----Well, reality is a subjective thing these days, but sounding smart is an art form.

    This is how bad info gets passed around.

    ---As we all know that everybody reads Slashdot as fact - and there is no room for dissent!

    If you dont know about the topic....Dont make yourself sound like you do.

    ----Well, it would be nice if you could give us an example here because it sounds like you are doing the same.

    Cuz some /.ers belive anything they hear.

    ---Sad, isn't it? But those people aren't the ones we are worried about, just the guys who resign in disgrace for making us try to believe lies that we hear from them.

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  12. Re:Just one apparatchik -- there are others by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Deutsch is only a minor (and obvious) part of a larger problem with the NASA public-affairs branch.

    But he represents a more fundamental problem: the way we govern our country is broken. Given that, it's not surprising that the government is dysfunctional in the realm of space science. It's dsyfunctional period.

    Look, the guy's 24 years old and he gets a political appointment? Now prove to me this country isn't being run by an aristocracy. It used to be connected people got their kids internships, or made congressional pages. They didn't get them policy level poliltical appointments.

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  13. Only a theory... by underpope · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given this Administration's behavior and appointees of late... Well, any theory that President Bush really wants the US to lead in science and global competitiveness is just that: a theory. And one that has absolutely no evidence supporting it (and which seems to be pretty well falsified at this point, actually). On the other hand, it's comforting to remember that the judge who ruled against ID in the Dover, PA case was a Republican and a Bush appointee. So perhaps all is not lost.

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  14. Apointer needs to resign too... by jafiwam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The person that is responsible for appointing that underqualified-chucklhead needs to resign or be fired too.

    This event is a disgrace to the entire scientific community in the United States.

  15. Re:Can we please... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...stop calling a 24 year old a kid? I have a friend who insists on calling anyone 10 years younger than him a kid, so at this point 30 years olds are "kids." Fuck, that's annoying.

    You lose the luxury of being considered "just a kid" at age 18. Period.

    You know -- at an agency like NASA which presumably has a large number of career scientists who have spent decades in their field (some of whom have spent over a decade on a single project like Stardust) -- a 24-year old, politically appointed, non-college graduate who tries to put Bush's political spin on science doesn't deserve anything better than kid. And, in fact, probably deserves worse.

    A grossly underqualified person with no real world experience telling people many years his senior and way more qualified they need to call the Big Bang a theory (and whatever else he did) doesn't deserve anything but contempt and scorn.

    Compared to what can only be called 'elder statesmen' of science, this guy is a kid. In this sense, 'kid' is used in the diminutive to refer to someone who is new to a field and doesn't have a lot of experience.

    Heck, rookie quarterbacks get referred to as 'kid', even if they're in their early 20's.
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  16. Re:Uh, it IS a theory by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is nothing wrong with not proclaiming a theory to be fact.

    He wasn't asking the web copy be changed from "Big Bang fact" to "Big Bang theory".

    The Big Bang is a scientific theory, and it is valid to call it such. But to tack the word "theory" onto EVERY SINGLE MENTION of the term is not a clarification; it is a linguistic exercise designed to create uncertainty and doubt.

  17. Re:Just one apparatchik -- there are others by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To be fair to the Republicans, this process started under Gore's "National Perofrmance Review" initiative, the point of which was to reduce bureaucracy. Which it did. But at the same time the role of political appointees was expanded.

    Of course nobody is holding a gun to the Republicans' heads to continue this trend, much less to encourage it.

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