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U.S. Gov To Spider Internet
HopeSeekr of xMule writes "Perhaps as one of the first high profile uses of Alexa's WebSearch Platform, the U.S. government plans to search, link and reference every news site, blog and email on the Internet, using sophisticated AI codenamed ADVISE to do the correlations. Unlike traditional dataveilance like Echelon, ADVISE aims to find terrorists before they strike and even deduce their motivations in wanting to commit their crimes. Part of the breakthrough is a way for humans to view data as 3D holographic images with tech recently used at the Superbowl."
IP ranges and user agent please.
Also, does it obey robots.txt?
www.terrorists.evil
User-agent: US-govt
Disallow: /
It goes beyond George Orwell's dystopian vision wherein a person can be punished for merely expressing sentiments that some AI may view as a likely vector for future anti-Establishment rhetoric; e.g. pre-crime Thought Crime.
By specifically targetting blogs (as email is already heavily trolled) who they're really going after are anti-Establishment political activists who won't be silenced. E.g. people like myself, HopeSeekr of xMule, who make distributed tools to prevent this fascism from ever *totally* clamping down on freedom of speech/expression.
Since the 380 Milliion dollar concentration camps capable of holding a million plus people are already being built, the only question is when will you be prompted to act (even as little as developing a program for open systems such as xMule, which is designed for the BSDs and Linux)? When the stormtroopers demand your papers? When your sister's head meets the butt of a soldier's gun? When you are shot protecting her? When?
The questions aren't if and when, they're now how bad and will your loved ones survive.
Promote freedom; fight fascism.
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Why is it that it is always the US government that seems to have been up to all this stuff since WW2 and increasingly even after the Cold War? I thought you were supposed to be the people from the land of the free and whatnot, really suspicious of government intrusion into people's lives, et cetera. Considering that a lot of you are always willing to disparage the Europeans for their love-affair with government, I certainly wish a lot of you would just take the log out of your own eye first... it's your government, despite all the rhetoric, that is horribly control-mongering at home and eager to support whatever right-wing dictator abroad, while ours concentrate more on making sure that kids with cancer don't die in the name of economic efficiency should they be unfortunate enough to be born to parents of financially limited means.
Go ahead, mod me troll/flamebait... at least I won't post this AC.
I want to play Free Market with a drowning Libertarian.
Hate crimes are in essence thought crimes too. Think about it.. hate is a thought. Your reasons for feeling a certain way are thoughts. So in essence you can be subject to more severe penalties purely based on your personal opinions while performing a crime. Not only that you can be convicted of a hate crime alone where your sole criminal act was an expression of hatred for something.
This differs from premeditated murder in that, yes, ultimately, premeditation is a thought.. but the key difference is that you were planning a crime. Planning to kill someone is not an opinion. Hating a group of people is an opinion.
It is basically legislating what sort of motivations for doing a crime is worse than some other motivation. So if you rob a bank because you hate banks should you be subject to stiffer penalties? If you kill a gay man because you hate gays how is that anything other than a murder? Hate crime, for me, goes way to far down the path of thought crime. Double plus bad.
Jeremy
Oh, this 911 wtc pretext incident is only the latest of a long history of the America elite using/allowing/manufacturing "pretext incidents" in order to start wars and grab power. See this page on HOW TO START A WAR.
However, I think this War On Terror has opened the elite up to the future possibility, should there ever be an anti-elite grassroots political movement, that our current laws might be used against the elite in order to try them for treason. Historically, treason could only be used if someone worked for/aided a foreign govt which was an American enemy.
Obviously, the War on Terror is not a war against a foreign govt.
Thus, we can start a War On The Elite. They are really, of course, the real enemy of all Americans. Always have been, always will be. That realization is what seperates Europeans from Americans, at least in part. They realize it is TOP against BOTTOM. We do not.
So try the elite in court for treason. We now have the legal precedent. Perhaps.
Who are the elite? Higg level politicians, CEOs of megacorps, prominent leaders large think tanks and nonprofit foundations, rich people, lobbyists, etc.
eat shiat and bark at the moon
Then it'll get firewalled just like the engines that spammers use.
I have a script that automatically notifies me if a certain page is accessed - this page is in robots.txt, and very hard (damn near impossible infact) to click on accidentally.
Robots that access that page get firewalled. I don't give a shit if it's the US government (or a spammer claiming to be the US government)... if they don't obey my 'keep out' signs they lose their right to see my website.
I seem to provide this quotation quite frequently these days. It was said by Lord Hoffman, sitting as a British Law Lord, in their ruling on the UK detention-without-trial fiasco a few months back:
And, unlike the rest of us, the Law Lords sitting in that case presumably did have access to any classified information they required. It's very convenient that the government can always tell us how its draconian policies are protecting us from imminent doom (but they can't tell us how for security reasons). That argument is rather less powerful when its critics include people on the inside who would be well aware of the full facts.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
As any web server can choose the page to display to any given client, how exactly does the system work out what is real and what is not?
For that matter, exactly how do they expect to access password or IP protected sites?
Could we can it already? Or is there still some moron out there who believes that bullcrap?
Sorry for the language, people, but I feel insulted. Just how DUMB do they think I am?
Terrorists don't use the net. At least not if they're halfway smart, and hell, they are! They ain't some dumb, mindless bomber drones (ok, some are, but look at the US soldiers... same way 'round, just with rifles). The key heads are very bright individuals, they know what they're doing. They know logistics, they know psychology, they know how to build a network right around your feet without you noticing.
Do they use the 'net? Let's assume they do, ok? Let's for just a moment assume they do.
First of all, they WILL NOT use the net for anything but the minimally necessary form of communication. They won't blog, they won't chat, they won't spend time in a bboard, all they do is MAYBE sending some data from A to B. And it won't be much data.
This data will be encrypted by best state-of-the-art encryption.
A good deal of this data will be plain false, and it will be false in a way that they can discern whether the feds were sniffing. Simply for testing their communication channel for being tapped and their key for being broken.
If you consider, all this incredible effort just 'cause some oil countries dared to think 'bout taking Euros instead of Dollars for their crud... it's amazing what some old hydrocarbones can move and shake in this world.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
You should check out my article Judicial Tyranny Killed America in 1803 over at my blog: Incendiary.ws. ALso, spread the word.
Promote freedom; fight fascism.
Fairly easy to intercept email- just place a server on the network that reports false routing times and the data will flow (path of least restistance).
And if you don't think that's possible, there was a case in MA where a rare book dealer did just that, he was intercepting emails for Amazon.com that where keyworded on certain books.
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Okay, it won't obey robots.txt. But what will the spider present itself as so we can lock it out? Or, even better, what are the sure signs that it's really Google or Yahoo or MS snarfing up my sites? Because I don't really care if other spiders get don't ahold of anything - close to 100% of legitimate searchers come through the big three engines. Should be possible to configure and script it so that anything but the spiders we approve of don't come up with much. If there are more than so many requests per minute, for more than so many pages - or it it goes to honeypot pages that aren't what the real public is interested in - lock the suckers out or feed them garbage. They'll find an Internet filled with hagiographies of the Bush family.
"with their freedom lost all virtue lose" - Milton
That all depends on what the meaning of "Evildoers" is. Anti-globalization, anti-global warming, et al protests are often announced in advance on web sites. Since the spooks are already known to watch such massive terrorists threats as animal rights groups and Mormon and other church groups, one would be foolish not to take the broadest possible interpretation.
Westerners and especially Americans think that their governments are radically different than the Chinese. Yet the two seem to have a lot of common goals such as suppression of criticism and free speech, surveillance of the masses and concentration of economic power in the hands of a few party faithful. The big difference is that most Chinese people know that they are actively being oppressed and lied to by their government.
Do I get called a terrorist if I say I FUCKING HATE BUSH for abrogating the 4th amendment to the bill of rights?
i on.billofrights.html
"Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitut
Wouldn't I be a coward if I didn't hate him for this breach of our fundamental rights? I assure you if the British had such a system for sifting all communications for treasonous intent we would still be the British commonwealth of the Americas. After all some of the original American REOVLUTIONARIES (can you say violent overthrow of the "legitimate" British government) communicated through committees of correspondence:
"In an era before modern communications, news was generally disseminated in hand-written letters that were carried aboard ships or by couriers on horseback. Those means were employed by the critics of British imperial policy in America to spread their interpretations of current events.
Special committees of correspondence were formed by the colonial assemblies and various lesser arms of local government. The committees were responsible for taking the sense of their parent body on a particular issue, committing it to a written form and then dispatching that view to other similar groups. Many correspondents were members of the colonial assemblies and also were active in the secret Sons of Liberty organizations."
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h675.html
Can you say secret terrorist organiztion boys and girls I knew you could. Of course the British had a right to monitor their public communications (letters), right? Afterall if they were doing nothing wrong...
Tired of all the isms, don't exploit people as an employer, or a government, mmmmK?
While on the subject of thought crime, I've always been upset at the use of the term 'Convicted Pedophile' as though pedophilia was itself a crime. Certainly child molestation is a serious crime, and I would take no offense to the use of the term 'Convicted Child Molester' on people to whom it applies, but calling someone 'convicted' of something that isn't in and of itself a crime--and for that matter, isn't a physical act and is involuntary--both reeks of thought crime and probably makes latent pedophiles fearful of seeking psyciatric treatment, exacerbating the problem.
What sound do people on rollercoasters make? Hint: it's not Xbox 360.
What we need is a Web site to aggregate any known information about this project, especially the IP ranges from which it is operating. They can't spider anything if they don't get past the firewall.
The power of monolithic government can only be opposed by the organized efforts of informed citizens. The Internet makes it easier for us to be spied upon, but it also makes it easier for us to know who is doing the spying--and stop them.
Build a man a fire, he's warm for one night. Set him on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life.