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Circumventing CAN-SPAM

Dekortage writes "The iMedia Connection newsletter is running a story on how some politicians are violating CAN-SPAM with impunity. Apparently so-called 'political speech' e-mails do not fit the legal definition of spam, even if they are wholly unsolicited and unwanted. In this particular case, the spammer is the attorney general of Florida, who considers himself an anti-spam crusader."

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  1. Send it back to him ... by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Insightful
    a hundred times ... and also by fax ... burn out his fax machine and keep him from getting any legit faxes.

    He'll get the message.

    1. Re:Send it back to him ... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. That said, most of these spam-laws have exemptions for existing 'prior business relationships' and I think it could be argued that, by emailing you, he has formed such a relationship. If you sent him a fax request, one letter per page, requesting that he terminate this relationship, then you could (presuming sufficiently deep pockets) get away with it. Of course, you are safe until after the election anyway - he's not going to want to all of the bad publicity he would get from 'suing a constituent who asked him to stop spamming them' (as the newspapers would be sure to spin it) in the run up to the gubernatorial elections.

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    2. Re:Send it back to him ... by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Poster wrote:

      hmm... I doubt a political spam could be construed as a business relationship.

      FTFA:

      Apparently so-called 'political speech' e-mails do not fit the legal definition of spam

      So, send him back his spam 100 times - its political speech, not spam. And if you send it back 100 times, its definitely a political statement, and protected speech to boot!

      Better yet, turn his spam into a bmp (a jpg or png won't be big enough) with a big "F. U." on it, and make his ingox go over quota. Better yet, a Word doc with an embedded pdf with multiple embedded bmps - really bloat the sucker up.

    3. Re:Send it back to him ... by Disavian · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who... does... number... two... work... for?

    4. Re:Send it back to him ... by bombman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, make a lexical generator, that generates random political statements
      about SPAM, and mail those to him.....

  2. how can this be a surprise? by assantisz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You can sign up your phone number for the nationwide don't-call list and politicians are still allowed to call you. Just the other night some dude from the democratic party disturbed my dinner. Are you surprised that e-mail is not treated any different?

  3. SPAM is SPAM ... by xdesk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... and the fact that american politicians have created a loophole just for them is almost normal from that sad scene ...

  4. Faux-Spam by Foxman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it spam or not?

    Spam is often referred to as UCE "Unsolicited Commercial Email", which his emails were not. We tend to apply a broad label to spam. Often "Any email I don't want.", which may not be fair in all cases. In any case the law seems fairly clear that he was not technically breaking it.

    However, as someone who says they are a proponent of anti-spam, engaging in "spam like" behavior can only undercut their position.

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    1. Re:Faux-Spam by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Spam is also often called UBE (unsolicited bulk email). If it's part of a mass-mailing, and you didn't opt-in, then it's spam. If someone sends you an email that you didn't want, then it's an irritation, but it's not spam. If they send that same email to a load of other people, then it is.

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    2. Re:Faux-Spam by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Informative


      Spam is often referred to as UCE "Unsolicited Commercial Email", which his emails were not.


      Well, from what the people interviewed say it certainly sounds like the emails were unsolicited. I guess they weren't "commercial" though. (Actually I'm pretty sure most people use the term "Unsolicited bulk email). This stuff easily fits that definition, so I think by most peoples definition, this is spam. It may be all nice and legal, but that doesn't excuse this guy from being an asshole.

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    3. Re:Faux-Spam by dosquatch · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Often "Any email I don't want."

      I fail to understand what is so wrong with this as (at least) the first half of the definition. My full definition is "Crap I don't want and didn't ask for." Regardless of the message's intent (viagra, pr0n, "vote for me") I count it as SPAM.

      Mailing lists are not. I asked to be on those.

      Mail from friends and family is not. The relationship is implicit permission.

      Mail from companies I do business with* are not. The relationship is implicit permission.

      Most everything else, pretty much, tends to be. This, without respect for how the beltway nitwits define it in CAN-SPAM. *- My phone company, sure. The botique I bought a trinket from on vacation 3 years ago, not so much. And I request of all businesses that they NOT sell my address, and reserve the right to give Hell to those that do anyway.

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  5. How is this diferent... by Jerdie · · Score: 2

    then any of the other spammers that ignore the can-spam act???? I get more spam now then i ever did!

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  6. CAN-WHAT? by bennomatic · · Score: 4, Informative
    I met someone not too long ago who ran a SPAM outfit, and he boasted that he was 100% CAN-SPAM compliant, because he always gave his recipients an option to be exempted from future SPAMs. Apparently, the first contact can't be considered a SPAM, according to the law.

    So guess what? This guy had hundreds of domains, officially different companies which would act as agents for his clients, so that he (the spammer) could use the same mailing list over and over and over, because it wasn't "him" that was using it; it was his clients.

    So basically, CAN-SPAM is really SWISS-CHEESE. There are so many holes in it that any idiot can figure out a way to avoid being penalized.

    Unfortunately, there are no holes in the laws protecting these guys from great bodily harm...

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    1. Re:CAN-WHAT? by keraneuology · · Score: 2, Interesting
      This has been pointed out repeatedly both before CAN-SPAM was enacted (and it went through) and afterwards (and it hasn't been fixed). And the people who put that law into place are STILL THERE . I have had personal, face to face conversations with two US Reps (Knollenberg R-MI and McCotter R-MI) over the issue and neither one care. Both will be reelected to their underpaid offices in DC this year. Both will probably receive tens of thousands of votes from people who claim to hate spam but are too @*&!^^ apathetic and lazy to bother checking the other box on the form to do anything about it.

      EVERY incumbent should be thrown out of office. This is the ONLY way to get anything useful, meaningful, honest or good accomplished: all of the elected congresscritters know that no matter what they do they'll be back in office. Three cycles of single term US Reps will solve the problem nicely and convince them that they had better start staying the course or they won't get those annual raises-that-aren't-raises.

      If you voted for an incumbent in the last election then I blame you. Either vote the current reps out of office or sit down, shut up and deal with it. I suggest a combination of SpamAssassin and blacklisting every source with an IP within RIPE or APNIC and every email that contains a URL that points to geocities (I don't want a rolex clone)

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    2. Re:CAN-WHAT? by jfengel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unfortunately, there are no holes in the laws protecting these guys from great bodily harm...

      No, but I believe that the CAN-SPAM law does require a valid physical postal address. It would be really, really illegal if somebody were to use that information to beat the sh*t out of him.

      If he's not including that valid postal address, then he should be arrested under the law. My concern with CAN-SPAM isn't the loopholes as much as that they don't seem to be enforcing the rules. No law does any good if it isn't enforced.

      I'd really like to see him try the "But it wasn't really me, it was my multiple domain names" excuse in front of a judge.

    3. Re:CAN-WHAT? by tritone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How much spam can CAN-SPAM can
      If CAN-SPAM can can spam?

      Not very much, evidently.

  7. What I've found by OYAHHH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is,

    That if you get on the phone and call these idiots often enough to complain they sometimes get the message.

    Just tell them that you will call each time you receive that unsolicited email or phone call from them.

    Make absolutely certain that you put the poor staffer on the hotseat. Make sure they fully understand that who they represent is invading your privacy and that you will not tolerate it.

    If they try to hang up on you then simply tell them that if they don't hear you out that you are a constituent that will be walking through their front door to give them the piece of your mind in person otherwise. That usually really gets their attention.

    Being a bit obnoxious can have it's benefits.

    Don't accept crap from those boneheads, you bought and paid for them to be there, get your money's worth!

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  8. Not Surprised by gtzpower · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just like a politician preach that they are anti-spam, via spam.

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  9. Legal reform by mccalli · · Score: 3, Informative
    From the summary: "The iMedia Connection newsletter is running a story on how some politicians are violating CAN-SPAM with impunity. Apparently so-called 'political speech' e-mails do not fit the legal definition of spam, even if they are wholly unsolicited and unwanted.".

    By definition then, if political speech emails are not legally spam, then the politicians are not violating the CAN-SPAM law. The summary is contradictory.

    Should you* want politicians to conform to an anti-spam law, the solution is to lobby and vote for either the extension of CAN-SPAM to apply to political speech or alternatively for the creation of a new law. But currently, the politicians are not breaking an existing law. This is a hrader task of course, but that's the only way forwards.

    Cheers,
    Ian
    (*by 'you' I mean US voters, I'm in the UK)

    1. Re:Legal reform by DDumitru · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The CanSpam law was already on somewhat shakey legal ground. In the US we have the 1st ammendment, you know, the one about free speech. Regardless of how much you might dislike it, spam is a form of speech. Usually, it is a form of commercial speech.

      The interpretation of the constitution deals with speech issues differently depending on the type of speech involved. There is very little protection for fraudulent speech, so this can be made a crime and you can be put into jail. The same goes for yelling fire in a theater.

      Commercial speech is somewhere in the middle and the government can regulate it, but only at the edges. In general, current constitutional interpretations allow for almost all commercial speech.

      Political speech is at the other extreme. Whereas fraudulent speech can be outlawed and commercial speech can be limited, political speech is "the most protected" type of speech. Political speech might be annoying, might make you angry, and might even be racist or offend you. Regardless, if it is political speech, then it is allowed, pretty much without restriction. The constitution guarantees you the right to free speech. It does not guarantee you any right to not be offended or annoyed.

      Political speech is also not limited to a candidate running for office. Groups often make unsolicited calls, ignoring the do-not-call lists, on behalf of an issue or cause.

      Before you complain about this and suggest that "there needs to be a law", think very carefully. First, I doubt that a law would do it. The free speech protection is in the constitution so a law might not be valid anyway. Regardless, is your comfort at the dinner table or at your PC more important than the constitution. You always have the right to not answer the phone, email back to jerks that pollute your inbox, call them to complain, waste their time (while being careful to only express your opinion and not harrass). It would be a very bad idea to want the government to "pass a law" allowing the government to "thru the use of force" put someone in jail because of what they say, especially when the topic of the speech is political.

      The bottom line here is that there are other ways to achieve balance. If a campaign uses email and does not manage their lists and remove requests well, don't vote for them. This is not a no vote because of disagreement with the candidates positions, it is a no vote because of a candidates lack of organization and poor adminstration of their data. If a candidate cannot properly handle an email list, do you realy expect them to be able to run a government office.

      The other point here is that not voting for a candidate just because they sent you an email or called you with an automated message might be really stupid on your part. If you are too lazy (as many US voters are) to vote anyway (let along actually check out issues and learn about your local candidates), then perhaps you deserve to be interrupted at dinner. I find that the best way to turn a candidates machine off is to say "I have already voted by mail". Gets them every time.

  10. makes sense by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Insightful
    In this particular case, the spammer is the attorney general of Florida, who considers himself an anti-spam crusader."

    CAN-SPAM was never designed to prevent spam. It was designed to codify what could legally happen, provide a way for web-sites to harvest e-mail, and finally, to prevent the states from enacting new laws against these companies. For all purpose, it was a giveaway to BIG money that does spam (and inheritenly, the lobbyists). SO anybody who voted for it, supported spam, but could declare that they were fighting against it i.e. bait via name, but switch via action (think patriot act).

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  11. It is not a matter of the definition of SPAM by will_die · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Both political and charity based mailing are exempt from from the CAN-SPAM law; same as they are exempt from the Do Not Call list. So it is not a case of definition or a loop hole, they are specificly allow to do so.
    What was really funny in the Florida case is that they guy had campaigned on SPAM and had pushed for tough anti-spam laws. Then to top it off they released a message saying "This is not spam. This is truthful, it's straight forward. We're honest. To be spam it has to be, under Florida law, defined as being deceptive." No matter how it goes that is all just funny.
    BTW there has been a court case over the exemption for political and nonprofit organization, the FTC argued that they were less likely then for-profits to abuse the practice.

  12. Take a look at any of the anti-advertising laws... by caffeineboy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    and you'll find that there is a loophole in there for political solicitation.


    Yes, phone robot autodialers are illegal... except of course if they are talking about something political. Spam and do-not-call as well. It's all in there.


    Imagine the analog for mugging laws; mugging is illegal unless it is being done to raise campaign funds, in which case it is forgivable. Sounds silly, doesn't it, but I don't see a difference from the way they are writing the laws now.


    If a tactic is annoying, intrusive and disliked enough to make it illegal, I have no idea why the politicians involved in this are unable to see that it is not a good idea to be the exception.


    Here is california politicians are perticularly fond of auto-dialers; even the local unions use them.

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  13. Spam = Florida by Basehart · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe it's just a coincidence, but most of the articles I read about spam always mention Florida.

    Maybe a big filter between Florida and the rest of the World would work, and while we're at it a 100 ft high wall.

  14. Freedom of speech? by Homr+Zodyssey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm seeing a lot of comments here about how "those dirty politicians put a loophole in the law to exempt themselves." I, for one, am glad! This is called freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is extremely annoying...especially to those people who don't want to hear it. Guess what...Its one of the U.S.'s founding principles, so get over it. If there wasn't a loophole in the law for political speech, the ACLU would be up in arms about it, and rightly so!

    On a different note, it is stupid that they are trying to redefine the word "Spam". In my mind, Spam isn't limited to email. If you're playing WoW and someone shouts "Lvl 30 Warrior LFG!" 30 times in a row, then they are spamming. "Spam" covers a wide range of annoying actions in the electronic media.

    I don't trust politicians to define what "spam" is, and I don't trust them to make laws restricting any kind of online use. They simply don't understand the medium.

  15. OT: Incumbency and outcumbency... by Captain+Sarcastic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    EVERY incumbent should be thrown out of office. This is the ONLY way to get anything useful, meaningful, honest or good accomplished: all of the elected congresscritters know that no matter what they do they'll be back in office. Three cycles of single term US Reps will solve the problem nicely and convince them that they had better start staying the course or they won't get those annual raises-that-aren't-raises.


    This sounds good, and it seems like a hopeful sign that general approval ratings of congress are at 30% (plus-or-minus), and as a result one might be willing to believe that a "throw-the-bums-out" movement is building.


    Unfortunately, it won't happen. As Tip O'Neil pointed out, "all politics are local." Unless a particular congresscritter has gotten up the nose of his or her constituents, it will be pointed out that "why, yes, all of those other no-good, lying, cheating, votes-for-sale politicians should be thrown out! But you need ME to keep the pork-barrel projects coming into our district!" Much as we might like to, we can't vote against Tom DeLay unless we're in his district.


    Which isn't to say "don't bother," but rather to say, "don't expect a totally-wiped-out Congress in one election."

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  16. Politicians above the law? I'm shocked! by CptNerd · · Score: 2, Funny


    Shocked I say! To think politicians believe they're above the laws they write! Next thing you'll be telling me is that they rearrange voting districts to prevent them from losing elections...

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  17. Protected Political Speech... by shrubya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just wait until stuff written like this starts flooding people's mailboxes:

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    Write-in a vote for Ron Jeremy this November! http://videos.hothotcocks.com/

    Join other supporters of hot hot cocks on our campaign website at http://singles.hothotcocks.com/

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    Yes indeed, we CAN spam! God Bless America!

  18. Absolutely! by csoto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is so ridiculously not news. All such legislation has loopholes that protects politicans and their lobbying interests. For example, it's not illegal for AARP to ignore the "do not call list," and as such, the only annoying telemarketing I get is from sham "clothing donation" groups (where the telemarketing firms take 50% or so of the "donation"). Anybody bitching or even insinuating that politicians are somehow "circumventing" CAN-SPAM is an idiot. Such use was pre-ordained in the legislation.

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  19. A politician lying?... by zen611 · · Score: 2

    ...wait...were his lips moving?