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Scientist to Implant Electrode in His Own Brain?

BartlebyScrivener writes to tell us the MIT Technology Review is reporting that even thought scientists know quite a bit about the brain, one researcher is trying to take it a step further towards understanding consciousness by implanting an electrode in his own brain. From the article: "Bill Newsome, a neuroscientist at Stanford University in Palo Alto, CA, has spent the last twenty years studying how neurons encode information and how they use it to make decisions about the world. In the 1990s, he and collaborators were able to change the way a monkey responded to its environment by sending electric jolts to certain parts of its brain. The findings gave neuroscientists enormous insight into the inner workings of the brain."

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  1. Awesome, by IDontAgreeWithYou · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've been looking for a remote controlled neuroscientist for years!!!

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    1. Re:Awesome, by ConsumerOfMany · · Score: 3, Funny

      Id much rather have the remote controlled monkey. It would be so much easier to spank him.......

  2. Hardcore. by trosenbl · · Score: 3, Funny

    Most hardcore scientist ever. He's going to implant it in his own head with no anesthesia.

    1. Re:Hardcore. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      there are no nerves in the brain

      Speak for yourself, buddy...

      (I think you mean there are no sensory nerves...)

  3. Darwin award? by slavemowgli · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hmm, I wonder how likely it is that he'll end up with a Darwin award...

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  4. Monkeys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    n the 1990s, he and collaborators were able to change the way a monkey responded to its environment by sending electric jolts to certain parts of its brain.

    Hey, I can get a monkey to respond differently to its environment by sending electric shocks to any part of its anatomy, why go to the bother of wiring up its brain directly.

    1. Re:Monkeys by hkgroove · · Score: 5, Funny

      The lines between this article and The Far Side are getting pretty blurry.

    2. Re:Monkeys by halltk1983 · · Score: 5, Funny

      We have enough studies already on the differences between women and men...

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    3. Re:Monkeys by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Hey, I can get a monkey to respond differently to its environment by sending electric shocks to any part of its anatomy,

      Or as scientists call it, the Peter Gabriel Principle.

  5. Ghostbusters reference by Psykechan · · Score: 4, Funny

    That would have worked if you hadn't stopped me.

  6. Farnsworth Parabox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Taking the brain out was the easy part. The hard part was taking the brain out.

  7. Typing monkeys by whiteranger99x · · Score: 3, Funny

    In the 1990s, he and collaborators were able to change the way a monkey responded to its environment by sending electric jolts to certain parts of its brain.

    But were they able to finally help monkeys write A Tale of Two Cities without that pesky "It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times..." typo? Stupid monkey!

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  8. We need to be careful by amstrad · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean, what will happen when the implant is turned on and the neuroscientist becomes self-aware?

    1. Re:We need to be careful by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 4, Funny

      > I mean, what will happen when the implant is turned on and the neuroscientist becomes self-aware?

      I'm guessing something along the lines of "Holy SHIT--I put a what in where?"

  9. And from this we have come to the conclusion... by flickwipe · · Score: 5, Funny

    "In the 1990s, he and collaborators were able to change the way a monkey responded to its environment by sending electric jolts to certain parts of its brain. The findings gave neuroscientists enormous insight into the inner workings of the brain."

    And from this we have come to the conclusion that the monkey really hated it

  10. Appropriate Typo by Gulthek · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's good to see that "thought scientists know quite a bit about the brain."

  11. Interesting, but not really news. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Funny

    The article is full of how he wants to do it, but would probably have trouble getting approval and so on. If this is news, alert the media that one day I "want" to fly around in a jetpack while robot slaves do all my work and it rains Kool-Aid.

  12. Alot of information by squoozer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can you really gather that much information from a single electrode in a single location? I would have thought this would be of pretty limited benifit. Still I'm not a neuroscientists - maybe it's going to give stacks of data.

    I can't believe we still know so little about how the brain works actually. It feels like all our attempts to understand it (PET, MRI, electrodes, etc), while amazing, as still at the caveman stage of development e.g. hit it with a rock until it does something. I would have thought there would have been far more interest into researching how the brain functions.

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    1. Re:Alot of information by SlayerDave · · Score: 4, Informative
      I can't believe we still know so little about how the brain works actually

      I'm a PhD student in neuroscience, so let me comment. The human brain has around 100,000,000,000 neurons and 1,000,000,000,000,000 individual synapses (rough estimates, no one knows for sure). That makes the brain by far the most complicated structure in the known universe. Furthermore, techniques for studying the brain have only existed for around 80 years. So the apparent lack of real progress in neuroscience is understandable, given the complexity of the problem. Also, we do know more than you might think, but we still have a very incomplete picture of how the brain works, partially due to the lack of robust experimental techniques, as you point out.

      I would have thought there would have been far more interest into researching how the brain functions.

      Well, I was at the annual Society for Neuroscience conference in Washington DC in November, and there were around 28,000 neuroscientists in attendance. Judging by the number of people from my department who did not attend, I'd say that represents 5-10% of the total neuroscience research community in this country. I'd challenge you to find another research field with that much active research.

    2. Re:Alot of information by Omestes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We definatly have the visual system hammered.

      But, much of neurology, to agree with the parent, is right now no more than staring at blotches on a computer screen, and loosly associating it with what the subject was asked to do. Thats why there is such a small amount of agreement between neuroscientists, as opposed to older, more established disciplines.

      The brain is truly a complicated beast, even when ignoring the "neuron" level, and paying attention to the "structure" level. All of the hard, cut and dry (as presented in the pop-media) structures are really loose and fuzzy, and interact in many diverse ways on a per-function basis. The flexability also is problematic, since we can say "I see these splotches in the 'perfect brain', under x circumstance", but damaged, or structurally different brains still will display the same empheria in most cases.

      In my brief stint in neurology (for psych) a glaring problem was the lack of transition between perceived, subjective, experience, and the empirical brain data. I can tell you what areas light up when you look at an apple (as opposed to a straight line), but as of yet know one (that I know of) has a plausable theory of how this translates into perception. Yes, we can say the process is the translation/perception, but this too is slightly problematic. Granted I'm not a neurologist, so I wouldn't mind be proven wrong.

      The brain is sort of like genetics. At first everyone thought, given sufficient technology, that it would be rather easy to crack (height gene, complexion gene, eye color gene, ADD gene, schizophrenia gene, etc..) But it turns into a rather few simple structure performing more jobs, and interacting in odd ways. I over simplify, since the brain has always had a complex mystique, but you get the point.

      Yes, we have many practical effects of modern neuroscience, but very little actual understanding. This will change as time goes on, I'm sure.

      (though, at times, philosophically, I wonder how much about the mind can be expressed in reductionalist neuroscience... But that is neither here nor there)

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    3. Re:Alot of information by cosmic_gravy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A professor of mine once said, "If the human brain was simple enough for us to understand it, we would be too simple to understand the human brain."

  13. Isaac Newton did similar by Noel+Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Isaac Newton poked a bodkin through his eyelid and prodded the outside of his eyeball to convince himself that sensations of light originated in the eye.

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  14. New supervillan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Isn't this how most comic book supervillians get created? Scientist tries new procedure on themselves to produce extraordinary results. I'm thinking we should take names for what his supervillian name should be and who his archnemesis is.

  15. Tombstone by eldavojohn · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm sure his tombstone will read:

        Chased a dream ...
    ... but never got around to
    reading the second half of
       Michael Chrichton's
       "The Terminal Man."

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  16. Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyperthread by Tiger4 · · Score: 3, Funny

    How many times do we have to say it? "Don't Experiment on Yourself!" That is what Igor and the unsuspecting villagers are for.

    Doesn't this guy READ the Journal of Mad Scientists and Eccentric Inventors?

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  18. Will he get fired? by Coppit · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The guy who gave himself a heart catheter got fired for it. From A History of Cardiac Catheterization:

    In 1929, a German surgical trainee, Werner Forssmann, experimented on a human cadaver and realized how easy it was to guide a urological catheter from an arm vein into the right atrium. He went so far as to dissect the veins of his own forearm and guide a urological catheter into his right atrium using fluoroscopic control and a mirror. With the catheter in place, he walked to the x-ray room with no ill effects to have his chest x-rayed. This made Forssmann the first to document right heart catheterization in humans using radiographic techniques. In return, he was fired from his position at the hospital and won the Nobel Prize in 1956.
    Yikes! I wonder if during his Nobel acceptance he gave the hospital the finger. ;)
  19. Re:ZZAP! Global warming is only a Theory! ZZAP! by AndersOSU · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not only that, but apperently the chip is implanted by means of a 28-gauge shotgun.

  20. can we even scientifically study consciousness? by mrpeebles · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can we even scientifically study consciousness? A large component of what most of us mean by consciousness is probably metaphysical. Certainly it is inherently subjective. While I think that neurobiology and neuropsychology are worthy enterprises, it seems like they should invent a new term for what they mean by consciousness.

    This is a huge undertaking though. It took physics a long time (what, ~170 years after Newton) to be able to understand how microscopic physics related to the behavior of a simple macroscopic gas. They really even didn't really get it right until after Planck. The brain is, of course, much more complicated than a simple gas, and the chemistry controlling the action of individual neurons is much more complicated than Newton's physics. Maybe the standards for "understanding" are lower, but all the same, this is going to be extremely difficult, I imagine, if it is even possible. (As I understand it, there are certain philosophers who think it is not, but I am not in a position to have an opinion.

  21. Like something out of Family Guy by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Funny

    This somehow reminds me of Tom Tucker's apology on a season 2 episode of Family Guy. I wonder what this guy did to seek an apology?

    Now in an act of contrition, I will insert this electrode into my brain... Oh God, oh God, it's burning out my eyelids from the inside!

  22. Hot Holodeck Action? by Drunkulus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "When he went deeper into the brain, into the temporal cortex, he could elicit complex perceptions. A patient would say things like, 'I'm sitting on the back porch of my mother's house and she's calling me to dinner.'"

    Could this be developed further? How realistic was the perception? I guess that's exactly the question Newsome would like to answer. The mind reels.

    1. Re:Hot Holodeck Action? by mrpeebles · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course, the other question it seems to me is whether this was an actual perception, or just the experience of perception. For example, would the patient actually remember, if asked, the exact words his mother had used? Or did he simply have the experience that he knew. There are pretty weird studies of, eg, people are blind but don't know it, and who swear they are blind but have reflex actions based on sight.

  23. Homer by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Funny

    I did it, and there was no brain damage-amage-amage-amage-amage.