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Prostitutes Call for a Ban on GTA
d writes "Gamespot has an article about an association of prostitutes protesting the GTA games. Apparently, the sex workers of the Sex Workers Outreach Project aren't too happy about their ingame counterparts being treated violently in the GTA games. They note that the games are a bad influence on children, and might encourage rape and violent behavior towards prostitutes in real life."
So now we're done
A. Kill her and take my monies back.
B. Keep her around in the car to do more money exchange.
The way I see it, the game is encouraging me not to harm her because if I do, I'm going to get my monies back but I have to drive all the way back into town and I do not want the po-po on me right now.
Btw, I learned all this like five years ago from this game. Where was this "sex workers group" when the game came out? They're a bit late to stop it from being released.
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I think that's because cops in the game can fight back, and sometimes they win. If they don't win, they send out FBI, or even military to eventually kill the player.
What can prostitutes in the game do besides maybe running away from the player? GTA should include prostitutes hitting the player violently with their handbags, or kicking the player in the nuts.
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sex (consensual, mutually beneficial) or violence (beating/stabbing/shooting)
I'm guessing you've never heard of this sport called 'boxing' where two fully grown men attempt to beat the shit out of each other for money.
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More like dating. Except it's really more presents rather than money in exchange for sex. A timely article really *coughvalentinesdaycough*.
And as for this story, it's is a real "me too" kind of charge, politicians, religious groups, etc are all over GTA so why don't we bitch about it too? There is no hooker rape in the game (you pay) and you can kill anyone in San Andreas. It would be giving them special treatment if you couldn't kill them...
Okay actually Gamespot says there is one allusion to rape in the storyline, so fair is fair. Anyone that remembers this allusion and would care to say whether it glorified the rape?
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Joke aside, not all prostitutes or prostitution environments are the same. GTA tends to portray the cliche streetwalker/drug addict/forced-into-by-pimp hookers. Brothels, escorts, call-girls, strippers, and porn actresses (including the amateur/web stuff) have different environments from this.
I'm surprised nobody has made the argument that the violence against hookers (the streetwalking/drug addict/pimp kind) in GTA might actually educate youngsters that hooking (SW/DA/pimp kind) can be dangerous and undesirable, as opposed to "Pretty Woman" and similar portrayals which may cause more women to get into prostitution.
Of course for that to happen it would have to be little girls that play GTA, which is the main demographic to play it, right? Guys? Hello? Why are you all looking at me funny?
It's because simulated sex is boring. People watch porn instead. Much better than the crap you'll get on tv and in movies.
On the other hand, simulated violence is more exciting than the real thing, because we all know no one got hurt.
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At least he gets sex in return from the prostitute. Most supposedly 'god fearing' people I know would clean out his ATM account and not even give him a reacharound.
Won't someone please think of the prostitutes!
And, according to the blurb, won't someone please think of all those children who are allowed to play MATURE-ONLY games being taught to . . . disrespect prostitutes . . . whoa, that's kinky in some weird sense. So, we could conclude that the widespread use of GTA by minors is actually a planned conspiracy by the morally righteous to stop prostitution, while their (Thompson) tools decry the situation. And finally, the difference between good and evil is obvious to all.
(Well, it's not all that obvious to me, but Beyond Good & Evil was a really good game. :)
I would like to comment that there are "Pimp" missions in GTA: San Andreas where you come to the aid of your "ladies" and protect them from violent johns. Maybe this will teach our children that those who abuse prostitutes may themselves end up beaten/dead. Seems like a good counter balance to potential malfeasance. Plus some of the prostitutes carry knives and guns...another good lesson for our children.
I'm guessing very. What happens when a boxer gets attacked?
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extremely. non-consentual is still non-consentual.
And let's not forget that:
- when a hooker's boss (err, pimp) just wants to ride someone's butt to vent frustration or boredom, chances are he won't have the stamina to ride for hours. IT bosses can keep at it 8 hours in a row (preferrably starting in the afternoon)
- a hooker's client probably knows already what he wants or can make up his mind in a reasonable time. I don't expect anyone spent _months_ discussing whether he wants a blow-job or sex, or called a year worth of meetings to decide if he wants to be on top or underneath, just to avoid the responsibility of making a decision. (In a project I've been in, a PHB needed a year to decide whether he wants his reports printed landscape or portrait by default, and wouldn't accept the program until it printed by default in his orientation-of-the-day. In a program which let him do both already, _and_ came with a report editor so he could rearrange them as he flippin' sees fit anyway.)
- the hooker doesn't have to spend a lot of time in team-building/motivational/etc meetings (if you're a manager, don't kid yourself: you probably don't have the charisma for this. Boring 20 people to death with platitudes copied from a book does _not_ make them feel more motivated. Verbal masturbation about how great a leader you are, even less so, and it probably means you aren't), status report meetings, meetings where the boss is just bored and wants to talk about his vacation, and responsibility-avoiding meetings which are there only so we all talked about it (and had our feedback ignored) so noone is personally responsible for the decision... or lack thereof
- the hooker doesn't have to be diplomatic about it when someone tries to score some free sex (a la the "hey, can you come over and fix my computer/network/printer/etc for free?" in IT). Everyone can understand that a hooker does it for money, and won't turn deeply hurt and hostile when she does ask for money. But as an IT geek everyone assumes that by definition you have no life and would probably just sit there bored, staring at the walls, if people didn't call you to give you a virused computer to work on
- ditto when someone tries to get a free change-request disguised as "uh, I may have asked for a hand-job, and paid for a hand-job, but what I had in mind was really a blow-job. So now it's your fault for not giving me what I wanted, and you must give it to me for free." (I'm sure you had an idiot client like that by now if you're a programmer.)
- ditto when someone thinks he's so smart if he asks for "just a demo", and then tries to squeeze the final product functionality into the demo to avoid paying. I'm sure if you tried telling a hooker that you just want to see her naked to know what you're paying for, and then tried to change that little by little into being free sex, you'd get laughed at and told to fork over the cash.
- As a hooker you're paid if you do more work in a day, and noone will act as if it's your sacred duty to work an extra 4 to 8 hours a day for free, just to show loyalty and commitment to the company
- For that matter, as a hooker it's clear who brings in more money and who hasn't done any work in 3 years straight (cue the "you IT guys just cost us money" or "bah, we did just as well back in the days of typewriters and filing cabinets" comments, or Wally people making a living just with show-business for the boss's benefit, but with exactly zero job-related skill or productivity)
Etc.
All in all, I suspect the hooker has the more dignified job.
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Just ask yourself this: Did any female, ever, wake up in the morning and think 'Prostitution... that's a good idea'.
Or did each and every single one of them end up in the situation where there was no other choice that they could think of.
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Or did each and every single one of them end up in the situation where there was no other choice that they could think of.
No. I know because I knew someone who worked as a part time hooker to put herself thru university. She had no problems with the idea of having sex for money... admittedly this was in Australia. Wehere is is completely legal. And she was working in a brothel that was run and owned by women. She said she didnt really have to have sex with someone she didnt really want to etc. She claimed it was a lot better than working in a shop... didnt eat nearly as much of her time... she got to study at work when there was nothing else to do. Im not marally condoning this lifestyle. But she was not a messed up drug addict. She just didnt mind and didnt think it was unethical. I respected her right to choose whatever she want to do with her body.
Personally I always razz on my co-workers that the next installment of GTA will be called "The Final Solution". If they really want to push the envelope, they'd do a warcrime/holocaust simulator, and just be done with it. If you fail, you have to hide out in south america.
The defense is that "It's just a game, jeez."
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Wow.... this is a surprisingly good idea.
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This is worth more thought. I'm going to investigate the legality of that. This would be an absolutely HUGE moneymaker for escort services; they could literally legitimize their operations overnight.
At the same time, it is most likely a loophole that could be closed overnight. I wonder if there is some kind of state-by-state pornographer "licensing" scheme... Hm....
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Yes, yes they did. Now where the fuck have you been living? I personally know several prostitutes who are doing it to put themselves through college. They work nights, especially weekends, and have their days free for school. And yes, some of them actually like to fuck and enjoy their jobs.
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Street pimps often do beat their women, but, as I pointed out, that makes the profession dangerous, not violent. Being a firefighter is not a violent profession, and neither is being a prostitute.
Of course, the only reason that is true is 'slapping someone around a bit' is the only way to enforce contract law in the underworld. The pimp needs some enforcable means of collecting his cut, he can't go to the police or courts.
Women who live in a brothel, OTOH, rarely get injured by the management, because the money goes to the brothel and then they get their cut, so can't be holding out. (Sadly, they are more likely to get injured by a client, because a prostitute who works out of her our house or a motel will call the police if assaulted by a client, or scream and cause others to call the police, whereas a client in a house of prostitution quite rightly assumes they will not want to call the police.)
And call girls have the best of both worlds. They are away from other hookers, so none of them have any qualms about calling the police if assaulted, yet they have rates negotiated over the phone by their employer, so can't be holding out on money, even if they get handed the cash themselves.
But, anyway, high risk of injury in a profession != violence in a profession. A soldier is in a violent profession, a medic in the military is just in a high-risk one.
OTOH, being a pimp is an inherently violent profession, and it's not only towards the women. Pimps are expected to keep their territory free for their women, which requires driving off other women. The violence there is exactly the same as 'drug dealer', which they are in a sense: They must keep their product on the street, and remove everyone else's product, and threaten and eventually injury people who do not pay them money they are owed.
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