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Ten Reasons to Buy Windows Vista

pennconservative writes "Michael Desmond, writing for PCWorld.com, gives us ten reasons to buy the next version of Microsoft Windows. Some of his reasons sound compelling, and it definitely sounds like Microsoft has found yet another way to ensure market dominance for a few more years. Desmond also gives a few reasons not to buy Vista, but the most compelling of those is the hardware required to run it. Since Vista will likely ship on every new computer anyone buys, I don't see that being a major roadblock."

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  1. One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DRM. Why would you pay for your own shackles?

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    1. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by waveclaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      DRM. Why would you pay for your own shackles?

      Avereage Joe: But they were sooooo shiny! And look at all the pretty 'features.' And everyone's getting or got a pair! Besides, they go so well with my gamer clothes...I mean work suit.

      The number one and number two reason people will buy Vista: it will come on their new PC and it will play all the video games sold for PC (that Average Joe cares about.) You can talk about 'compatibility' with work, but Windows 98 with Office 97 is all that takes for most cases. As soon as Duke Nukem comes out, you can be sure it will have a 'Made for Microsoft Windows Vista' sticker on it.

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    2. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful
      But does Windows Vista come with DRM of any sort?
      Well, I'm sure it will at least have "product activation," for starters. And then the "compatibility" with Microsoft's music DRM, yeah. And also the signed drivers and support for Treacherous Computing.
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    3. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by danielk1982 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also the same reason not to get a Mac.

    4. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, in order to view "secure" windows media content, you have to have a special monitor which can decode the encrypted content in the first place

      Yes, and the MPAA will give Apple an exception to this rule, because Apple computers are like shiny and stuff. Whatever you say.

      Or, more likely, OS X will "limit" you in the exact same way. (And by "limit", they mean "allow you to play Blu-Ray and HD-DVD on your computer.")

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    5. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by aj50 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      DRM shackles you whether your computer supports it or not.

      If your computer doesn't support drm, then you can't see the content at all. Your system not supporting drm does not magically make all drm protected content play without restrictions. If drm is widespread, then you receive all the disadvantages of drm and none of the benefits (eg. more content being offered online).

      The only good thing is if few people have drm then it is harder to distribute drm'd content but if by having a computer that doesn't support drm you are in the minority, there is no direct benefit to you.

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    6. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by visualight · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yet another option is to call their bluff. Hollywood has played that card with Intel, MS, and the U.S. Congress already and I don't understand why it sways anyone.

      Hollywood: If you don't (pass the dmca)(implement drm)(produce tpm compatible chipsets) we're going to take our ball and go home.

      Appropriate response: Well take your goddamn ball and go the fuck home then.

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  2. So... by TERdON · · Score: 4, Insightful

    what feature will I get that I don't already have in Mac OS X 10.4?

    I skimmed the list rapidly and I'm already using the equivalents to at least half of them, probably more (I wrote "skimmed"). Some of the features I have even used for several years...

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    1. Re:So... by tpgp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      what feature will I get that I don't already have in Mac OS X 10.4?

      The ability to run specific win32 apps.

      That is the only difference.

      As you've noted that most of the features in Vista (Music management / photo management / drm / desktop search / etc are already present (or have equivilants) in OS X.

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    2. Re:So... by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The ability to run specific win32 apps.
      Go, go, gadget Darwine!
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    3. Re:So... by JonTurner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >>As you've noted that most of the features in Vista (Music management / photo management / drm / desktop search / etc are already present (or have equivilants) in OS X.

      Not to put too fine a point on it, but i would say, not only are they available, on Mac OS X, they are superior. iTunes, GarageBand, Final Cut, iDVD. Etc. Apple's been shipping this stuff for years. MSFT's just talking about what they hope to release, and talk is cheap.

      Given Microsoft's tendancy to cut features like a boot camp barber cuts hair, I'm not too hopeful everything's going to make it to the final release.

    4. Re:So... by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's compare to Mac OS X, shall we?

      1. Security, security, security: (Mac OS X: check) bidirectional software firewall (check), Windows Services Hardening, which prevents obscure background processes from being hijacked and changing your system (no, but it's not clear that this is needed on Mac OS X now). There's also full-disk encryption (check)...User Account Protection, which invokes administrator privileges as needed(check).

      2. Internet Explorer 7 (check - Safari does all that IE 7 does and more),

      3. Righteous eye candy (check - Mac OS X is way ahead here)

      4. Desktop search (check - Spotlight)

      5. Better updates (check - Software Update)

      6. More media (check - iTunes, iPhoto, etc.)

      7. Parental controls (check - see the System Preferences)

      8. Better backups (OK, Apple doesn't include a backup utility unless you purchase dot-Mac)

      9. Peer-to-peer collaboration (check - Bonjour, aka Rendezvous)

      10. Quick setup (this isn't as much a feature as it is getting rid of bottlenecks in Windows - not needed

      Again, nothing wrong with any of these features - but where is Microsoft innovating?

    5. Re:So... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Innovation has nothing to do with it. This is merely a response to market pressure. That's the only pressure to which Microsoft ever responds. They don't need to be a technological leader ... they only have to be the market leader, which means they can just satisfy the current top "n" complaints about Windows to keep selling millions of copies. Windows users look at features and capabilities this way: if it wasn't in Windows before, and it is now, then it's an innovative, new feature. Doesn't matter if every other major OS has had said feature for years ... it's still innovative.

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    6. Re:So... by cyborch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I posted 10 reasons to buy OSX Tiger in response.

  3. Misleading headline by marcello_dl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those are 10 reasons to buy vista IF you are currently running XP. As a Linux user who has always the option to open a maconlinux OSX window, the only reason would be the collaborative environment. All the other reasons were available to me on linux osx or both, since at least two years ago. Heh, the two way firewall :)

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  4. Requirements won't be an issue by Kasracer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to Microsoft, the requirements for Vista are almost as low of Windows XP, you just can't have all the pretty effects and such.

    I was reading about Vista last night and it's including features like a revamped sleep mode which is a cross between standby and hibernation. They have have SmartFetch or whatever it's called so it knows what applications you typically use and at what times so it'll preload them into memory making it seem snappier.

    All in all, it sounds like Vista will be a pretty good release (at least, in my opinion).

  5. New computer? Why? by JonTurner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good luck MSFT - you've got a hell of a challenge ahead of you.

    The age of the compelling application is mostly over because existing hardware (even systems several years old, and thus dirt cheap) fulfill almost all of the average person's computing needs. I'd wager that 90% (or more) of average household computer usage is spent in two applications: email and internet browser. (the other 10% is word processing, accounting/taxes, etc.)

    And no, gamers aren't "average" computer users. They're always looking for state-of-the-art.

    Seriously -- other than as a new game platform, why would the average person buy a new computer? Mom & Pop don't understand/care about new video production, DVD ripping, file sharing, etc. They just want to occasionally look something up on the net, buy something off eBay, or get a photo of the grandkids. If they already have a system (and market saturation ##'s suggest that they do) convincing them to shell out a grand for a new box that doesn't offer them anything more than the old one is going to be a tough sell.

  6. Not really. by Alcimedes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I actually read though the list, and other than the last three options. (backups, install times, live shared docs) the other 7 were options I've been using for years on Macs.

    Granted, not that I'm not happy that Windows is catching up, but I thought it was funny that to me at least, the only new features were the last three listed. All of which sounded very interesting.

    Cupertino, start your copiers!

  7. Any Color You Like, As Long As It's Black by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So the top reason to buy Vista is "you have to".

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  8. Such wonderful reasons! by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful
    1. Security, security, security: Windows XP Service Pack 2 patched a lot of holes, but Vista takes security to the next level.
    That's not an argument for Vista, that's an argument for a secure OS (such as every other OS except Windows!).
    2. Internet Explorer 7: IE gets a much-needed, Firefox-inspired makeover, complete with tabbed pages and better privacy management
    If it's "Firefox inspired," why not just use Firefox in the first place?
    3. Righteous eye candy: For the first time, Microsoft is building high-end graphics effects into Windows
    Wow, what an innovation! Wait a second, that reminds me of something. Oh yeah: Mac OS.
    4. Desktop search: Microsoft has been getting its lunch handed to it by Google and Yahoo on the desktop, but Vista could change all that.
    See above statement.
    5. Better updates: Vista does away with using Internet Explorer to access Windows Update, instead utilizing a new application to handle the chore of keeping your system patched and up-to-date.
    And Linux, BSD, and even Mac OS have had package management systems since when, forever?
    6. More media: Over the years, one of the key reasons to upgrade versions of Windows has been the free stuff Gates and Company toss into the new OS, and Vista is no exception.
    This must be some kind of joke. Windows bundles the fewest apps of any operating system. Have you seen what comes by default with Mac OS or -- better yet -- a typical Linux distribution?!
    7. Parental controls: Families, schools, and libraries will appreciate the tuned-up parental controls, which let you limit access in a variety of ways.
    Oh boy! New and improved restrictions!
    8. Better backups
    Thank god! Now I no longer have to back up my system on 376 thousand floppy disks!
    9. Peer-to-peer collaboration
    Quick, somebody sic the RIAA on them!
    10. Quick setup: Beta code alert: There are some Vista features I hope dearly for even though they haven't been built yet. This is one of them.
    And reason number ten? There is no reason number ten!
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    1. Re:Such wonderful reasons! by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      5. Better updates:

      And Linux, BSD, and even Mac OS have had package management systems since when, forever?


      And this isn't even a package manager! Can you install OpenOffice on Windos Update? Or even M$ Office? No, this isn't the equivalent to synaptic, adept or any other package manager, it's just a GUI for "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade".

      6. More media: Over the years, one of the key reasons to upgrade versions of Windows has been the free stuff Gates and Company toss into the new OS, and Vista is no exception.

      This must be some kind of joke.


      I'm certain it is. I know of nobody who ever bought any version of windos because of some bundled stuff. Plus, of course, exactly what is bundled depends a lot more on the OEM than on M$. There's no "standard offer" as there is with OS X.

      But the worst joke is:

      Vista takes security to the next level.

      Oh yeah, I'm sure it will - for the first 5 days or so, until the first remote root is found in the default setup.

      Plus, of course, most of these reasons are just recycled from the XP launch.

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  9. In case of /.ing, the 10 reasons are by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. new firewall almost as good as ZoneAlarm
    2. new IE almost as good as Firefox
    3. new eye-candy almost as good as OS X
    4. new desktop search almost as good as Google Desktop
    5. new update program almost as good as Mac Software Update
    6. new media programs almost as good as iLife
    7. new parental controls almost as good as proper parenting
    8. new backups almost as good as things not breaking in the first place
    9. new P2P almost as good as turning off your firewall
    10. new quick install almost as good as all the other planned features that don't actually exist yet

  10. Re:can they all run it though? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Insightful
    that's an improvement, how?

    Compared to the XP fisher-price look?
    Just be grateful, OK.

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  11. Re:Windows is still the compatible choice by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 3, Insightful
    • what feature will I get that I don't already have in Mac OS X 10.4?


    Compatibility with more games. Other than WoW, what popular MMORPG runs on Mac OS X?

    Compatibility with more vertical-market apps such as the one used by your employer.

    Compatibility with more peripherals sold at retail stores.

    Compatibility with web sites that are made exclusively for Microsoft Internet Explorer technology and for which there are no close substitutes.


    But for the next 3-4 years, you'll get all of those things with Windows XP. So what motivation is there to "upgrade" to Windows Vista? If you wanted the 10 features listed in the article, you could get Mac OS X now. If you want the things you mentioned above, stick with the Windows box you have now and don't waste money on the upgrade.
  12. 10 reasons NOT to buy this nonsense by Simonetta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Security, Security, Security
        yeah, they're so good at this. The world's richest man wants to 'protect' you from people who will give him more money for the opportunity to sell you junk that you don't need, using commercials on your desktop, or 'jump-outs' in your application.
        Plus since we're talking security here, what makes you think that you're going to get any from the guys who bend over backwards to put ordinary people in Chinese concentration-camp prisons. You can be assured that anything from Redmond is going to have plenty of backdoors for the Gitmo Gomers to read and monitor everything that you do on your PC. And Linux won't have this.

    Internet Explorer 7: IE gets a much-needed, Firefox-inspired makeover...
        So use just FireFox. 'nuff said.

        Righteous eye candy...
        Do like Steve Jobs and just drop some acid if you ...need... eye candy.

        Desktop search: ...just use Google and Yahoo like you do normally anyway since they're already here and better.

        Better updates:
        one word...sourceforge....next?

        More media
        more embedded DRM, you mean.

        Parental controls
        we are already grown-up, and we don't need any more excuses for library restrictions on web access. Like prohibiting 17-year-olds from getting information on effective birth control, just cause 'Jesus or Allah says no'.

        Better backups
        the application programmer's responsibility, not the OS.

        Peer-to-peer collaboration
        they seem to want to make that quite illegal if I recall correctly.

        So how much money or honey did they give this guy for writing such a transparent puff-piece about an operation system that doesn't even exist yet?

  13. Ten compelling reasons why not to upgrade! by Nirvelli · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. Security, security, security: New holes, new holes, new holes.

    2. Internet Explorer 7: GetFirefox.

    3. Righteous eye candy: Ooohhh shiny...

    4. Desktop search: Learn to organize.

    5. Better updates: Why update? Because it was broken in the first place!

    6. More media: More DRM!

    7. Parental controls: Real parents don't need an OS to babysit their kids.

    8. Better backups: Already have that.

    9. Peer-to-peer collaboration: ???

    10. Quick setup: Why am I running setup more than once anyways?

    In short, 10 compelling reasons why you don't need to upgrade to Vista.

  14. Who decides? by Tony · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remember that Bill Gates is the Dr. Death of software. HE decides when Microsoft's software is no longer usable, not the customers.

    I decided their software wasn't usable a long time ago. Bill Gates didn't have to tell me that.

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  15. My top 10 for not using MS products at all. by ylikone · · Score: 3, Insightful
    1. I like freedom
    2. I like freedom
    3. I like freedom
    4. I like freedom
    5. I like freedom
    6. I like freedom
    7. I like freedom
    8. I like freedom
    9. I like freedom
    10. I like freedom

    Hence, I use a few different variations of Linux on my boxes. No MS. No Apple. Just open-source and freedom. I don't give a shit that I can't play the newest games. I don't give a shit that I can't run the latest and greatest commercial apps. I don't give a shit that I can't use every cheap off-the-shelf piece of hardware. I don't give a shit that I don't belong to a an elitist club with a superior GUI. I value freedom over all. Am I an idealist? You bet.

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