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Ten Reasons to Buy Windows Vista

pennconservative writes "Michael Desmond, writing for PCWorld.com, gives us ten reasons to buy the next version of Microsoft Windows. Some of his reasons sound compelling, and it definitely sounds like Microsoft has found yet another way to ensure market dominance for a few more years. Desmond also gives a few reasons not to buy Vista, but the most compelling of those is the hardware required to run it. Since Vista will likely ship on every new computer anyone buys, I don't see that being a major roadblock."

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  1. Re:can they all run it though? by pennconservative · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article points out that they actually give you two options for the desktop. If your computer can't handle the new, fancy look, you can simply use the Windows Classic look. That way users without the high-end hardware can still run it.

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  2. One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DRM. Why would you pay for your own shackles?

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    1. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by waveclaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      DRM. Why would you pay for your own shackles?

      Avereage Joe: But they were sooooo shiny! And look at all the pretty 'features.' And everyone's getting or got a pair! Besides, they go so well with my gamer clothes...I mean work suit.

      The number one and number two reason people will buy Vista: it will come on their new PC and it will play all the video games sold for PC (that Average Joe cares about.) You can talk about 'compatibility' with work, but Windows 98 with Office 97 is all that takes for most cases. As soon as Duke Nukem comes out, you can be sure it will have a 'Made for Microsoft Windows Vista' sticker on it.

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    2. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 5, Funny

      Gates: "It puts the shackles on its wrist, or it gets the hose again."

      Ballmer: Put the fucking shackles on your wrists! Or I'll fucking kill you!!! (Throws chair.)

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    3. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't forget the bi-directional firewall... wooooooh. Go Microsoft... innovation, innovation, innovation!

    4. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      As soon as Duke Nukem comes out, you can be sure it will have a 'Made for Microsoft Windows Vista' sticker on it.

      Are you serious? When DNF comes out Microsoft will have dropped support for legacy OS's like Vista!

    5. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Funny
      Sig: You're = You are. Your = Belonging to you. Their = Belonging to them. There = A location. Get it right, please..

      So what you're saying is "All You are Location Belonging to them Please?"

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    6. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful
      But does Windows Vista come with DRM of any sort?
      Well, I'm sure it will at least have "product activation," for starters. And then the "compatibility" with Microsoft's music DRM, yeah. And also the signed drivers and support for Treacherous Computing.
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    7. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by danielk1982 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also the same reason not to get a Mac.

    8. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, in order to view "secure" windows media content, you have to have a special monitor which can decode the encrypted content in the first place

      Yes, and the MPAA will give Apple an exception to this rule, because Apple computers are like shiny and stuff. Whatever you say.

      Or, more likely, OS X will "limit" you in the exact same way. (And by "limit", they mean "allow you to play Blu-Ray and HD-DVD on your computer.")

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    9. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Why would you pay for your own shackles?

      Because my wife complained that the garbage bag zip ties were irritating her wrists.

    10. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dick Cheney is probably going to shoot you if you keep using that "throws chair" joke.

      I mean, that old guy doesn't even read Slashdot and he's heard it a million times

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    11. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by winkydink · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why would you pay for your own shackles?

      You've obviously never dated a gal like the one I dated when I was 28.

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    12. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by DingerX · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey, don't blame me. I voted for Kodos.

    13. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by aj50 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      DRM shackles you whether your computer supports it or not.

      If your computer doesn't support drm, then you can't see the content at all. Your system not supporting drm does not magically make all drm protected content play without restrictions. If drm is widespread, then you receive all the disadvantages of drm and none of the benefits (eg. more content being offered online).

      The only good thing is if few people have drm then it is harder to distribute drm'd content but if by having a computer that doesn't support drm you are in the minority, there is no direct benefit to you.

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    14. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by notaprguy · · Score: 3, Informative
    15. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by visualight · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yet another option is to call their bluff. Hollywood has played that card with Intel, MS, and the U.S. Congress already and I don't understand why it sways anyone.

      Hollywood: If you don't (pass the dmca)(implement drm)(produce tpm compatible chipsets) we're going to take our ball and go home.

      Appropriate response: Well take your goddamn ball and go the fuck home then.

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    16. Re:One good reason NOT to buy Windows Vista: by Alsee · · Score: 4, Informative

      But does Windows Vista come with DRM of any sort?

      For a fully functional system, the hardware specification requires that you must have a special new DRM-enforcing monitor, you must have a new DRM-enforcing video care, you must have a DRM-enforcing sound card, and that your motherboard must have a DRM-enforcment Trusted Platform Module (TPM).

      The TPM is a boobytrapped selfdestructing microchip that contains the system's master cryptographic keys and lock. If the chip detects any attempt to get at your own master keys, the chip destroys them and effectively destroys all of your "secured" files on your computer.

      This chip can be used to encrypt your files such that it is impossible for you to read or modify your files, except with strict approval of the chip and under the strict control of the chip and with only by using the approved and unmodifed software that was assigned to that file. This is called the Sealed Storage system.

      The chip also contains a record of the exact hardware you have, and including a security rating andf other details about how the hardware is secured against any attempt you might make to "attack" your own computer and attempt to gain full control over your own computer. This is called the Platform Credentials.

      The chip also spys on exactly what software you run. It logs your exact BIOS code, then it logs your exact bootloader software, and then it logs your exact operating system, and then it can log the various programs you have run since bootup. This is called the Integrity Measurments. They define the current state, or "health", of your machine.

      The chip can also be used to send this hardware and software spy report to other people over the internet. You are denied any ability to control or alter the contents of this spy report. This is called Remote Attestation.

      So... ahhhh.... I think the answer to your original question would kinda be a "yes".

      If you're further interested in these issues, the Trusted Computing Group has the technical specifications for the TMP chip freely available on their website. The Microsoft Website and the Trusted Computing Group website and many other websites all offer explanations and documentation on Sealed Storage and on Platform Credentials and on Integrity Measurments and on Remote Attestation.

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  3. So... by TERdON · · Score: 4, Insightful

    what feature will I get that I don't already have in Mac OS X 10.4?

    I skimmed the list rapidly and I'm already using the equivalents to at least half of them, probably more (I wrote "skimmed"). Some of the features I have even used for several years...

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    1. Re:So... by tpgp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      what feature will I get that I don't already have in Mac OS X 10.4?

      The ability to run specific win32 apps.

      That is the only difference.

      As you've noted that most of the features in Vista (Music management / photo management / drm / desktop search / etc are already present (or have equivilants) in OS X.

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    2. Re:So... by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The ability to run specific win32 apps.
      Go, go, gadget Darwine!
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    3. Re:So... by JonTurner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >>As you've noted that most of the features in Vista (Music management / photo management / drm / desktop search / etc are already present (or have equivilants) in OS X.

      Not to put too fine a point on it, but i would say, not only are they available, on Mac OS X, they are superior. iTunes, GarageBand, Final Cut, iDVD. Etc. Apple's been shipping this stuff for years. MSFT's just talking about what they hope to release, and talk is cheap.

      Given Microsoft's tendancy to cut features like a boot camp barber cuts hair, I'm not too hopeful everything's going to make it to the final release.

    4. Re:So... by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's compare to Mac OS X, shall we?

      1. Security, security, security: (Mac OS X: check) bidirectional software firewall (check), Windows Services Hardening, which prevents obscure background processes from being hijacked and changing your system (no, but it's not clear that this is needed on Mac OS X now). There's also full-disk encryption (check)...User Account Protection, which invokes administrator privileges as needed(check).

      2. Internet Explorer 7 (check - Safari does all that IE 7 does and more),

      3. Righteous eye candy (check - Mac OS X is way ahead here)

      4. Desktop search (check - Spotlight)

      5. Better updates (check - Software Update)

      6. More media (check - iTunes, iPhoto, etc.)

      7. Parental controls (check - see the System Preferences)

      8. Better backups (OK, Apple doesn't include a backup utility unless you purchase dot-Mac)

      9. Peer-to-peer collaboration (check - Bonjour, aka Rendezvous)

      10. Quick setup (this isn't as much a feature as it is getting rid of bottlenecks in Windows - not needed

      Again, nothing wrong with any of these features - but where is Microsoft innovating?

    5. Re:So... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Innovation has nothing to do with it. This is merely a response to market pressure. That's the only pressure to which Microsoft ever responds. They don't need to be a technological leader ... they only have to be the market leader, which means they can just satisfy the current top "n" complaints about Windows to keep selling millions of copies. Windows users look at features and capabilities this way: if it wasn't in Windows before, and it is now, then it's an innovative, new feature. Doesn't matter if every other major OS has had said feature for years ... it's still innovative.

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    6. Re:So... by cyborch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I posted 10 reasons to buy OSX Tiger in response.

    7. Re:So... by Tim+Browse · · Score: 4, Funny
      Eye-candy: Microsoft is the first to use 3D graphics cards for the UI.

      Gosh, that's got to be embarrassing for you.

  4. Misleading headline by marcello_dl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those are 10 reasons to buy vista IF you are currently running XP. As a Linux user who has always the option to open a maconlinux OSX window, the only reason would be the collaborative environment. All the other reasons were available to me on linux osx or both, since at least two years ago. Heh, the two way firewall :)

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  5. Requirements won't be an issue by Kasracer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to Microsoft, the requirements for Vista are almost as low of Windows XP, you just can't have all the pretty effects and such.

    I was reading about Vista last night and it's including features like a revamped sleep mode which is a cross between standby and hibernation. They have have SmartFetch or whatever it's called so it knows what applications you typically use and at what times so it'll preload them into memory making it seem snappier.

    All in all, it sounds like Vista will be a pretty good release (at least, in my opinion).

    1. Re:Requirements won't be an issue by horatio · · Score: 4, Interesting

      it knows what applications you typically use and at what times so it'll preload them into memory making it seem snappier

      Could you please provide a link to this article? While I'm interested to read it, I don't really buy this. Friggin' XP can't figure out how often I use programs now. (When you go to "Add/Remove Programs" it is supposed to tell you how often the program is used.) For example what XP says/actual:

      Adobe Acrobat: "occasionally" / several times a day
      APC PowerChute Personal Edition: "rarely" / is _always_ running
      Gaim: "occasionally" / is _always_ running
      Firefox: "occasionally" / default browser
      Thunderbird: "frequently" / finally got one right
      WinRAR archiver: "rarely" / several times a day

      I don't want Microsoft deciding which programs it thinks I use most often and wasting memory + CPU "pre-loading" things. Maybe, just maybe if the damn OS wasn't so bloated they wouldn't need to preload applications. Then again, if the OS wasn't so bloated it would stop crashing because they could get all their garbage out of kernel space and back into userspace where it belongs. As it is, they have to put things in kernel space to keep the entire system from grinding to a halt when you run 'calc.exe'. Basically, get the entire GUI out of kernel space. AFAIK they can't do that because it would be way too slow.

      Granted TFA was very much non-technical, some things missing from the list: (If I'm wrong about any of these being in XP, please feel free to correct me.)

      - for-real no-shit multitasking. Linux has it. OS X has it. It aggarvates me to no end that the system severely drags and/or blocks while doing things like copying large files, burning a CD, scanning the "network neighborhood", or basically any other process which the kernel determines is "intensive". I can do 8 semi-CPU intensive things at once with no problem on a *nix machine without X slowing to a crawl. Good luck trying that on XP. A user-space process or application should never be allowed to block.

      - Real ability to disable write caching. This is more a technical point, but nonetheless. The little box that is supposed to disable write caching for USB/Firewire devices seems to have no effect. I'm constantly getting the "This device cannot be stopped right now, try again later" BS from XP. Again, this is a "feature" to speed things up because the system is so inefficent.

      - Stop the auto-mounter. Goes along with the above: the ability to turn off automounting of filesystems, or at the very least mount them as read-only. Windows will *always* try to write to a filesystem no matter what. Writing to a hosed disk is a good way to make it worse. Sure you can mount the disk while acting as user who doesn't have write privs to files, but that isn't the same. XP stills writes system and metadata to the disk.

      - Unbinding IE from the system. I thought this was decided by a court that they had to do this. The last time I tried to uninstall IE the clipboard stopped functioning in MSOffice. Until I reinstalled IE, of course.

      - Make it easier/possible to stop services that are not critical. This fails on XP mostly because nearly all of the services are "critical" to the operation of the OS. Again, to compare this to the *nix model - I can stop almost any service except for init and the system will continue to run. Why can't I enable networking and disable the filesharing by stopping the service that makes the SMB ports listen? A firewall is needed, yes. But it would be even more useful to be able to stop those services which should not be listening anyways.

      - Stop telling me "access denied" when I'm the fracking system admin. I really hate that. Processes can't be killed, services can't be stopped, files can't be deleted, etc because "Access denied". Kill the damn process if I tell you to.

      - Stop with the stupid exclusive file locks. Some of this is the fault of applications

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  6. Re:can they all run it though? by PDXNerd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They will if they want to have a "Made for Windows Vista" logo on the outside, which would be all major PC manufacturers. Trust me, most OEMs are already well aware of the Microsoft Logo requirements for Vista. If it's going to ship on your PC (and by ship I don't mean your brother's girlfriend's ex-boyfriend's PC company down the street) it will probably be logo'd. If it has that logo, it will run Vista just fine.

  7. Honestly by gleather · · Score: 5, Interesting

    After paying for 3.1, 95, 98, 98SE, ME, 2000, XP I'm really starting to abandon cynicism and derision in favor of good old practical thriftiness. I just can't afford Windows anymore.

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  8. New computer? Why? by JonTurner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good luck MSFT - you've got a hell of a challenge ahead of you.

    The age of the compelling application is mostly over because existing hardware (even systems several years old, and thus dirt cheap) fulfill almost all of the average person's computing needs. I'd wager that 90% (or more) of average household computer usage is spent in two applications: email and internet browser. (the other 10% is word processing, accounting/taxes, etc.)

    And no, gamers aren't "average" computer users. They're always looking for state-of-the-art.

    Seriously -- other than as a new game platform, why would the average person buy a new computer? Mom & Pop don't understand/care about new video production, DVD ripping, file sharing, etc. They just want to occasionally look something up on the net, buy something off eBay, or get a photo of the grandkids. If they already have a system (and market saturation ##'s suggest that they do) convincing them to shell out a grand for a new box that doesn't offer them anything more than the old one is going to be a tough sell.

  9. what do low-end machines run on then? by DuctTape · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Every new computer that carries the "Designed for Windows Vista" sticker must meet minimum system requirements.

    Will they get XP if their system does not meet the requirements? Surely Dell will sell a low-end machine that might not have the hardware to run Vista? Or worse yet, they sell a machine that meets the minimal requirements, and performs like a dog. I wouldn't think that they'd want that perception, right?

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  10. After reading through his list by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Funny

    It could also be called, "10 reasons for buying Mac OS X Tiger"....

  11. Not really. by Alcimedes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I actually read though the list, and other than the last three options. (backups, install times, live shared docs) the other 7 were options I've been using for years on Macs.

    Granted, not that I'm not happy that Windows is catching up, but I thought it was funny that to me at least, the only new features were the last three listed. All of which sounded very interesting.

    Cupertino, start your copiers!

    1. Re:Not really. by Alcimedes · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, in a way it has. But the control in OSX aren't nearly as customizable as what Vista will offer. To be able to lock down computers based on time of day is worth way more to me than full bore program restrictions.

      Like I said though, I don't have kids, so I'm looking at this from a lab administration aspect, where restricting based off of times would be great.

    2. Re:Not really. by aristotle-dude · · Score: 4, Informative
      mac browsers suck.

      Really? Have you actually tried Safari? I somehow doubt it.

      Third Party OS X browsers:
      Camino
      Firefox
      Mozilla/Seamonkey
      Opera
      Shiira
      Omniweb

      You were saying?

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    3. Re:Not really. by mr+i+want+to+go+home · · Score: 3, Informative

      Err...no. Most things can be done by invoking applescript commands.

  12. Any Color You Like, As Long As It's Black by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So the top reason to buy Vista is "you have to".

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    1. Re:Any Color You Like, As Long As It's Black by jcr · · Score: 4, Funny

      Remember the Evil Empire's "where do you want to go today" ads? The real slogan is "who cares? You're coming with us."

      -jcr

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  13. No 1 Slashdot reason by Timesprout · · Score: 3, Funny

    Because you can.


    No wait, thats not right.....

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  14. Such wonderful reasons! by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful
    1. Security, security, security: Windows XP Service Pack 2 patched a lot of holes, but Vista takes security to the next level.
    That's not an argument for Vista, that's an argument for a secure OS (such as every other OS except Windows!).
    2. Internet Explorer 7: IE gets a much-needed, Firefox-inspired makeover, complete with tabbed pages and better privacy management
    If it's "Firefox inspired," why not just use Firefox in the first place?
    3. Righteous eye candy: For the first time, Microsoft is building high-end graphics effects into Windows
    Wow, what an innovation! Wait a second, that reminds me of something. Oh yeah: Mac OS.
    4. Desktop search: Microsoft has been getting its lunch handed to it by Google and Yahoo on the desktop, but Vista could change all that.
    See above statement.
    5. Better updates: Vista does away with using Internet Explorer to access Windows Update, instead utilizing a new application to handle the chore of keeping your system patched and up-to-date.
    And Linux, BSD, and even Mac OS have had package management systems since when, forever?
    6. More media: Over the years, one of the key reasons to upgrade versions of Windows has been the free stuff Gates and Company toss into the new OS, and Vista is no exception.
    This must be some kind of joke. Windows bundles the fewest apps of any operating system. Have you seen what comes by default with Mac OS or -- better yet -- a typical Linux distribution?!
    7. Parental controls: Families, schools, and libraries will appreciate the tuned-up parental controls, which let you limit access in a variety of ways.
    Oh boy! New and improved restrictions!
    8. Better backups
    Thank god! Now I no longer have to back up my system on 376 thousand floppy disks!
    9. Peer-to-peer collaboration
    Quick, somebody sic the RIAA on them!
    10. Quick setup: Beta code alert: There are some Vista features I hope dearly for even though they haven't been built yet. This is one of them.
    And reason number ten? There is no reason number ten!
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    1. Re:Such wonderful reasons! by dfghjk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Have you seen what comes by default with Mac OS...?

      Yes I have and it's not as great as Windows. iLife is not bundled with Mac OS although it is bundled with the machine. It's not the end-all of bundled software either.

    2. Re:Such wonderful reasons! by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Informative

      I wasn't talking about iLife. Mac OS comes with a bunch of other stuff, like Automator, that Windows doesn't have.

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    3. Re:Such wonderful reasons! by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      5. Better updates:

      And Linux, BSD, and even Mac OS have had package management systems since when, forever?


      And this isn't even a package manager! Can you install OpenOffice on Windos Update? Or even M$ Office? No, this isn't the equivalent to synaptic, adept or any other package manager, it's just a GUI for "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade".

      6. More media: Over the years, one of the key reasons to upgrade versions of Windows has been the free stuff Gates and Company toss into the new OS, and Vista is no exception.

      This must be some kind of joke.


      I'm certain it is. I know of nobody who ever bought any version of windos because of some bundled stuff. Plus, of course, exactly what is bundled depends a lot more on the OEM than on M$. There's no "standard offer" as there is with OS X.

      But the worst joke is:

      Vista takes security to the next level.

      Oh yeah, I'm sure it will - for the first 5 days or so, until the first remote root is found in the default setup.

      Plus, of course, most of these reasons are just recycled from the XP launch.

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  15. The 10 reasons: by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. What's good for Microsoft is good for the US economy.
    2. Because they have a million tricks up their sleeve to obselete your old software.
    3. You're too stupid to use linux.
    4. Your new hardware has been sabotaged for any "pirated" software like linux.
    5. Because we get kickbacks from Ballmer if you do.
    6. As an american, you are culturally programmed to want new toys and to believe what marketing firms tell you.
    7. Because it will be secure. *snicker*cough**snort*LOL... damn, I can't keep a straight face.
    8. Because we at Microsoft have been busy trying to convince you that cool tricks are only possible on Vista, and considering our other OSs are steaming shitpiles, you just might believe it.
    9. Because WE SAY SO.
    10. If you haven't bought Vista yet, then the terrorists have already won...

  16. Re:Reasons to buy Windows? by Uber+Banker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is there any way to mod this story 'troll'?

    Actually there is.

  17. Let's See by MBCook · · Score: 4, Interesting
    1. Security - OS X already has great security.
    2. Internet Explorer 7 - I've got something better. It's called Safari. It's been out for years.
    3. Righteous eye candy - OS X's eye candy is great, plus it is often functional (see Expose)
    4. Desktop search - I've had it for about a year on OS X. It works great.
    5. Better updates - No longer using Windows Update, instead a seperate application. Hmmm... that sounds like how OS X does it.
    6. More media - OS X has great media handling abilities. And he talks about the improved Windows Movie Maker? I hope so, that program was sorry the last time I used it. From what I've heard it can't hold a candle to iMovie/iDVD. Both of which come free with every Mac. And what do they have to compete with Garage Band and iWeb (also free with every Mac)?
    7. Parental controls - I honestly don't know if OS X has anything like this
    8. Better backups - No registry on OS X. You just copy everything to a external hard drive and you're set. No special software needed.
    9. Peer-to-peer collaboration - Hadn't heard about this. May be interesting.
    10. Quick setup - OS X installs pretty fast, but you don't have to re-install it every year to keep your computer speedy (have they fixed that?)

    Seems like I've had 8/10 of those for over a year with my Mac. Way to "innovate". As long as you have to buy a whole new computer to run this OS, why not buy a whole new computer and try a better OS than the one you have now. One that has been out for almost a year (10.4). One that isn't a "1.0" like Vista will be.

    If you really like MS though, why not wait for Windows Vista "98" when they iron out the kinks. (OS X had 'em too early on).

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  18. In case of /.ing, the 10 reasons are by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. new firewall almost as good as ZoneAlarm
    2. new IE almost as good as Firefox
    3. new eye-candy almost as good as OS X
    4. new desktop search almost as good as Google Desktop
    5. new update program almost as good as Mac Software Update
    6. new media programs almost as good as iLife
    7. new parental controls almost as good as proper parenting
    8. new backups almost as good as things not breaking in the first place
    9. new P2P almost as good as turning off your firewall
    10. new quick install almost as good as all the other planned features that don't actually exist yet

  19. "Taking Security to the Next Level" by Nova+Express · · Score: 4, Funny
    1. Security, security, security: Windows XP Service Pack 2 patched a lot of holes, but Vista takes security to the next level.

    So, instead of a wide open door with a 'PLEASE ROB ME!!!" sign taped to it, they've half closed the door and put up a sign that says "ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, I WOULD PREFER THAT YOU NOT STEAL ALL MY BELONGINGS, IF THAT'S OK WITH YOU."

    When your starting from the gutter, the "next level" is only the curb.

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  20. outnumbered by geoff+lane · · Score: 4, Informative

    No matter how many new PCs ship with Vista, there is going to be 3 to 5 years before it dominates the market because that's the approximate time it will take for the existing installed base of PCs to be renewed. Can MS wait that long? Can apps writers? Can the media companies?

  21. More than 10 reasons never to buy ANYTHING from MS by truthsearch · · Score: 3, Informative
  22. Re:can they all run it though? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Insightful
    that's an improvement, how?

    Compared to the XP fisher-price look?
    Just be grateful, OK.

    --
    "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
  23. Cool by typical · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember when Microsoft's competitors got a lot of flack for just trailing MS. The times have changed. Most of the listed new features in Vista are MS playing catch-up with the competition:

    1. Packet filtering capabilities, per-use administrator rights -- from Linux.

    2. Tabs in IE -- from Firefox

    3. Eye candy/transparency -- Mac OS X

    4. Non-awful search system -- everyone was ahead of MS here

    5. Better update system -- still no systemwide yum or apt, but the most abysmal thing about maintaining a Windows box was keeping it up to day, and IE was a piss-poor tool to do so with. See Linux.

    6. Looks like MS is bundling the equivalent of rhythmbox/iTunes and gqview into Windows.

    7. Parental filtering options -- Okay, I'm not aware of anyone else that bundles this in, so this may be new.

    8. Better backups -- Linux's amanda.

    9. Peer-to-peer collaboration -- I don't yet know enough about what this actually translates to to be able to comment on it.

    10. (apparently a wishlist item, not a real feature?)

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  24. Ten Reasons NOT to buy Windows Vista by Liam+Slider · · Score: 4, Interesting

    10) Upgrade hell....a new motherboard counts as a "new computer" and thus requires a new Windows license.

    9) If you don't have a computer capable of running it to it's full potential...why bother?

    8) DRM embedded into the OS. Less control for the user.

    7) Viruses

    6) Worms

    5) Spyware

    4) Vista will feature ads.

    3) It's still Windows, so it'll still look like something made by Playskool.

    2) You're going to have to relearn everything anyway, particularly the Office interface which will be radically different with the new release....might as well switch to something new anyway

    1) Gates is evil. What more do you need?

  25. Re:Windows is still the compatible choice by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 3, Insightful
    • what feature will I get that I don't already have in Mac OS X 10.4?


    Compatibility with more games. Other than WoW, what popular MMORPG runs on Mac OS X?

    Compatibility with more vertical-market apps such as the one used by your employer.

    Compatibility with more peripherals sold at retail stores.

    Compatibility with web sites that are made exclusively for Microsoft Internet Explorer technology and for which there are no close substitutes.


    But for the next 3-4 years, you'll get all of those things with Windows XP. So what motivation is there to "upgrade" to Windows Vista? If you wanted the 10 features listed in the article, you could get Mac OS X now. If you want the things you mentioned above, stick with the Windows box you have now and don't waste money on the upgrade.
  26. Microsoft ditching Windows? by lancejjj · · Score: 3, Funny

    The idea that Microsoft would ditch its own OS for Mac OS X came to me from Michael Desmond of PCWorld.com, whose writings convinced me that the process had already begun.

    I was amused, but after mulling over various coincidences, I'm convinced he may be right. This would be the most phenomenal turnabout in the history of desktop computing.

    Desmond made 10 observations: Microsoft's Vista is all about Mac OS X: Security, a Modern Browser, Eye Candy, Desktop Search, Better Updates, More Media, Parental Controls, Backup, Collaboration, and More.

    Though these points aren't a slam-dunk for Desmond's thesis, other observations fully support it. The theory explains several odd occurrences, including Ballmer's freak-out and an insane defense over monopolistic practices. Like, who cares?

  27. Counterpoint by winkydink · · Score: 3, Informative

    DVDDecrypter, DVDShrink, Quicken.

    There are some dvd rip&burn apps for the Mac, but noe that I have tried come close to these two Windows apps. Quicken for the Mac is a waste of good disk space. And neither GnuCash nor Moneydance come close to offerring the full feature set of Quicken for Windows.

    I have migrated and consolidated all of my Windows/Linux/Mac stuff onto a new iMac. The aforementioned 3 apps, keep me from shutting off the Windows machine.

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    "I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey

    1. Re:Counterpoint by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      DVD2oneX and DVDBackup. Work just great. iSquint is indispensible if you want to stick the DVD (or any other video) onto your iPod (it's free too).

  28. 10 reasons NOT to buy this nonsense by Simonetta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Security, Security, Security
        yeah, they're so good at this. The world's richest man wants to 'protect' you from people who will give him more money for the opportunity to sell you junk that you don't need, using commercials on your desktop, or 'jump-outs' in your application.
        Plus since we're talking security here, what makes you think that you're going to get any from the guys who bend over backwards to put ordinary people in Chinese concentration-camp prisons. You can be assured that anything from Redmond is going to have plenty of backdoors for the Gitmo Gomers to read and monitor everything that you do on your PC. And Linux won't have this.

    Internet Explorer 7: IE gets a much-needed, Firefox-inspired makeover...
        So use just FireFox. 'nuff said.

        Righteous eye candy...
        Do like Steve Jobs and just drop some acid if you ...need... eye candy.

        Desktop search: ...just use Google and Yahoo like you do normally anyway since they're already here and better.

        Better updates:
        one word...sourceforge....next?

        More media
        more embedded DRM, you mean.

        Parental controls
        we are already grown-up, and we don't need any more excuses for library restrictions on web access. Like prohibiting 17-year-olds from getting information on effective birth control, just cause 'Jesus or Allah says no'.

        Better backups
        the application programmer's responsibility, not the OS.

        Peer-to-peer collaboration
        they seem to want to make that quite illegal if I recall correctly.

        So how much money or honey did they give this guy for writing such a transparent puff-piece about an operation system that doesn't even exist yet?

  29. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Funny

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  30. Ten compelling reasons why not to upgrade! by Nirvelli · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. Security, security, security: New holes, new holes, new holes.

    2. Internet Explorer 7: GetFirefox.

    3. Righteous eye candy: Ooohhh shiny...

    4. Desktop search: Learn to organize.

    5. Better updates: Why update? Because it was broken in the first place!

    6. More media: More DRM!

    7. Parental controls: Real parents don't need an OS to babysit their kids.

    8. Better backups: Already have that.

    9. Peer-to-peer collaboration: ???

    10. Quick setup: Why am I running setup more than once anyways?

    In short, 10 compelling reasons why you don't need to upgrade to Vista.

  31. Exactly: they're not even 10 positive things! by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was thinking much the same. For example, when I read this...

    Translucent icons, program windows, and other elements not only look cool, they add depth and context to the interface.

    ...I thought most usability research had pretty much thrown out this sort of visual jiggery-pokery some time ago now, having discovered that since monitors are basically flat, 2D surfaces, trying to project things in funky 3D or to impose layers through transparency just disorientates users. It's always possible that Microsoft have come up with a new and qualitatively different approach to that of the research labs at other big software places like Sun or IBM, of course, but I'm betting heavily on "gimmick" until I see any evidence to the contrary.

    It seems to me that the vast majority of the 10 "reasons to buy" have already been more than adequately addressed on Windows platforms by third party software, some of which will presumably still be necessary since it sounds like MS isn't going to include any anti-virus software unless you pay for it. On other platforms, it either was never an issue, or is likewise addressed by third party add-ons. Putting it into the OS may or may not be an advantage relative to starting with nothing, but relative to where we are, who cares?

    Of the remainder, if they're genuinely getting serious about security, that's great, but on the flip-side, we all know about the Trusted Computing rubbish, DRM, and all that jazz. On top of that, we have the recent stories about national governments wanting backdoors and entering talks with Microsoft to ensure they get them. If a government cracker can break my system, so can a script kiddie with the right friends, and that's game over for Microsoft's security drive. It's not secure if it has deliberate backdoors!

    The more I read about Vista, the less I care, and I'm someone who (at present) does run XP both at home and at work, and uses some OSS for practical rather than philosophical reasons. I've been looking seriously at shifting to an alternative platform for a while, and with all the security and DRM badness going around lately, the obvious commercial alternative -- Apple -- is pretty much ruled out of the game by its own actions. This could be the best thing to happen to open source software since forever.

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  32. Who decides? by Tony · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remember that Bill Gates is the Dr. Death of software. HE decides when Microsoft's software is no longer usable, not the customers.

    I decided their software wasn't usable a long time ago. Bill Gates didn't have to tell me that.

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    Microsoft is to software what Budweiser is to beer.
  33. My top 10 for not using MS products at all. by ylikone · · Score: 3, Insightful
    1. I like freedom
    2. I like freedom
    3. I like freedom
    4. I like freedom
    5. I like freedom
    6. I like freedom
    7. I like freedom
    8. I like freedom
    9. I like freedom
    10. I like freedom

    Hence, I use a few different variations of Linux on my boxes. No MS. No Apple. Just open-source and freedom. I don't give a shit that I can't play the newest games. I don't give a shit that I can't run the latest and greatest commercial apps. I don't give a shit that I can't use every cheap off-the-shelf piece of hardware. I don't give a shit that I don't belong to a an elitist club with a superior GUI. I value freedom over all. Am I an idealist? You bet.

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    Meh.