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Exposing Children to Technology?

LabelThis asks: "While I'm not a huge fan of immersing children in technology, there is a certain point at which you must expose them to the tools that will help them be successful in the world. Looking back, I distinctly remember my parents making every effort to provide a computer for me and my sibling, early on (they bought an Atari 400 for us when I was 5). Either by accident or on purpose, that single decision (and the continued follow up of purchasing newer computers as needed) shaped my future and the future of my siblings. I now have a daughter, and my wife and I have a number of years to before we worry about equipping her with technology (right now spending time with her and helping her be a happy well adjusted toddler are our primary concerns). In the spirit of my parents choice, what type of tools should parents be equipping their children with, today?"

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  1. Make sure they know how do it either way by Zantetsuken · · Score: 3, Insightful

    with or without tech, that away they wont be screwed if they dont have their favorite tech, but make sure they are plenty exposed to tech so they arent screwed in the job market later in life...

    1. Re:Make sure they know how do it either way by thx1138_az · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As a "technologist" I work for da man. Now that you have made da money, teach 'em to be da man.

      Personally my children are going to be better than me. My father was a barber, I'm a computer tech. It's a step forward but we still are in the "service industry" working for someone else. Technology is a business tool and I'm just a tool that operates the tool. I want my kids to both master those tools and be the master of those tools. MBA all the way, get them some seed money and then let them become the cio, ceo or c-insert_letter_here-o of their company. Providing I can keep 'em off da drugs.

    2. Re:Make sure they know how do it either way by Slithe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How old are your children? Are you sure they want to be MBAs? If they are less than 15 years of age, they most likely have no idea about what they want to do. I am not saying that becoming an MBA is a bad thing, but make sure it is their passion. Having to fulfill their parents' dreams instead of their own is what puts a lot of kids on 'da drugs' in the first place.

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    3. Re:Make sure they know how do it either way by jawtheshark · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It is not your choice...

      • My great-grand-father (following dad's line) had a bike-repair shop.
      • My grand-father was an accountant.
      • My dad is an economist, but reverted quite early to IT. (in the seventies to be exact... Self-taught of course, he can't really program)
      • I am a computer scientist.
      As you can see, there is clearly a up-going line. According to your idea, I should encourage my kids to become MBA's. You know what? My dad wanted *me* to become an MBA, because it was *his* vision of "his-career-but-better". My vision of "his-career-but-better" was not in the management part but in the IT part. These constructs are not "lines", they are networks.

      Worse: you don't take into account the capacities of the kids. My brother is a bus driver and my sister finished highschool, but that's it. Oddly enough, both seem to be happier than me in what they do.

      What you want is the "best-for-them-financially", because you know that an MBA usually earns better than whatever you do now. That is not the road to happiness. Go figure.... Sometimes, I wish I was the busdriver in the family.... or heck, had a bike repair shop. Utimately, in the line of the family, my great-grand-father had the best situation: a cool "tech job" (for those times) and he was his own boss. I don't think an MBA can match that...

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  2. jigga bomb by sheaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    in my opinion, definately not the internet. it's not long before they/their friends start getting into AIM and things like that. before you know it, when they're still really small, they'll probably end up loading the computer with spyware and they might even have a myspace or something...teach em how to use a computer, but don't give em the internet until they're older and seem somewhat more responsible.

    1. Re:jigga bomb by carlislematthew · · Score: 3, Insightful
      And besides, who on earth would set up a computer for a child with administrative privileges?

      Ummm, perhaps the 99% of parents who have no idea what "administrative privileges" actually means. Just a thought...

  3. hrn. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    My parents gave me plastic bags when I was very young. I expecially liked the full-body dry cleaning ones. For my 4th birthday they game me an old refrigerator with a locking door. I loved it.

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  4. Computer != Technology by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you mean "computers" say so. "Technology" is not a synonym for "computers". Hint: cooking is technology.

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    1. Re:Computer != Technology by kw87 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree that computer != technology but I don't know that I would call cooking technology. To quote from Douglas Adams, "Another problem with the net is that it's still 'technology', and 'technology', as the computer scientist Bran Ferren memorably defined it, is 'stuff that doesn't work yet.' We no longer think of chairs as technology, we just think of them as chairs."

  5. Tech toys for tots by Announcer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As the child gets older, and shows an aptitude for Technology, I would suggest some simple electronics project kits that are suitable for their age, and appeal to their interests.

    There are a number of kit manufactures, such as Ramsey Electronics and Velleman which make kits of all types and skill levels. Some of my fondest memories are of having my Dad help me build something. As I got older, I spent my allowance on kits.

    Today, I work in a radio station as a Broadcast Engineer. Computers and IT are important, naturally, but if a child shows interest in what's "under the hood", they will have an advantage over their peers who only see the computer as a "box" that runs programs.

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    1. Re:Tech toys for tots by gatzke · · Score: 4, Insightful


      My dad bought me a few of these as a kid but it never sunk in. I could follow the instructions and put something together, but I was frustrated that I never really understood what the complex circiuits were doing.

      Maybe I needed some more fundamentals, maybe I should have asked dad for some more help, maybe I didn't have the math for op-amps or whatever when I was 10. It did not come naturally and the environment was not right to help me really get it.

      Maybe the educational materials that go along with those kits are better now. The radio shack stuff from 25 years ago didn't help me much...

  6. Programming. by SocialEngineer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I first witnessed computer programming when I was 6 - A half brother coded a drawing program for me while I watched. 2 years later, I started taking my old 321 Contacts (GREAT magazine) and programming the Qbasic programs and games, and then modifying them.

    It just went up from there. If you can find a good magazine or something for kids that introduces them to programming, DO IT!

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    1. Re:Programming. by SocialEngineer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm not saying force them, but make sure they are exposed to it (knowing it exists, knowing it can be fun and interesting - not making them do it). I myself am actually not a programmer - I do web development (PHP/MySQL/HTML/CSS), but I'm actually employed as a graphic artist. I myself didn't really get into music until I was exposed to something I really liked - Classical, and Industrial.

      Programming isn't just for programmers - it aids in critical thinking. I took Computer Math (Pascal programming) in Highschool with 5 other people - only one of them actually went on into the computer field, other than myself. We took the skills we learned into the future, helping us with math, logic, and flow/process conceptualization.

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  7. Back to the basics... by jpsowin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    what type of tools should parents be equipping their children with, today?

    Pencils, pens, paper. Printed books--good, old, classic books. They'll learn computers and all that--you can hardly do anything these days without using one. What they need are the basic skills they won't get through computers, and that is accomplished through reading good ol' books and writing.

    1. Re:Back to the basics... by Shag · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed. Along with, of course, all the other tools, including computers.

      Speaking as a parent of a first-grader, one of the big challenges is that kids make developmental steps in different areas, and they rarely do so in a synchronized way. So one month, a kid might be making a lot of headway in math-related areas, the next, in language, and the next, in social skills.

      And of course, you don't want them to get too far ahead in any one area, since a kid who's terribly advanced in math, but behind in social skills, will have a rough time in school.

      So... yes, my kid has a cheapish computer (Mac mini). And she knows how to do things like email grandma, play games, surf the web, feed it optical discs, etc. She also has (and reads, like there's no tomorrow) a lot of books. And supplies for writing and being artistic and making noise and doing the sort of messy "chemistry" kids like, and so on. And between my wife's social-science studies and my own work in natural sciences, her questions get answered.

      Which leads her to say things like, "but daddy, I already know what a supernova is!"

      Anyway, it's all a matter of balance. Give them the latest technology, yes - but only if you're willing to put just as much into the other aspects of life and learning.

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    2. Re:Back to the basics... by MrAndrews · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed. I have two girls, both young, and they are both interested in computers. Our rule is that you can't use a computer to do things that crayons and paper do just as well: you read words on books, you write stories on paper, and you draw pictures in one of the hundreds paper pads stacked in the closet. Both kids have learned how to open iTunes and find the "Kids" playlist when they want to get their Raffi fix, and they use iSight for video chats to their grandparents, but otherwise they're entirely non-computer monkeys. I know that when they need to use computers, they'll already have the basic concepts mastered through osmosis. You don't want to raise technophobes, but you can't let them limit their existence to the online world so young... there's too much can't be reached with a mouse.

  8. Tech for kids by Spacejock · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A PC, networked but no internet, virtual CD (no scratched disks around here), lots of world-building games (Age of Empires, Sims, etc). An LCD screen instead of CRT. Print-to-PDF instead of direct to printer, so we can cancel 99 full colour pages of Pikachu and just print one.

    My kids spend time on their computers, but they spend a lot more time playing in the garden. They make their own dolls furniture (wood, nails, paint), miniature food (clay & paint), etc etc. The eldest taught herself to ride the unicycle. What I'm getting at is that they're not mindless blobs slaved to their PCs 24/7 - yes, they sometimes get heavily involved in a game and will play it in their spare time over 2 or 3 days, but then they'll avoid the computer for a week and do something else.

    The youngest is now 8 years old and produces her own digital art and newsletters, the eldest (11 yo) types up stories and homework. Both use an mp3 player on their computers, and because the music available to them is all my own favourites (mostly 70's and 80's), it's very interesting to see their tastes via their playlists. They're not exposed to modern rubbish on the radio, so I'm probably warping their minds and putting them forever out of touch with their friends.

  9. Synthesizers by BoomTechnology · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Get the kid a real hardcore synth -- the kind that uses envelopes, oscillators, and filters etc with MIDI ports to boot. Got one in middle school and it taught me more about my major (EE) than you could possibly imagine...

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  10. The Best Tools Come From Within by bennyp · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Tools for success in a modern technological world
    1. Critical Thinking The ability to think clearly, even amidst constant persuation is essential for mental and emotional equilibrium. A person must be able to distinguish honest messages from those with alterior motives. A person must also be able to take media with a grain of salt.

      One good way to teach critical thinking is to practise it with your child. Ask them questions about how media, especially advertising, makes them feel. Point out to them the tactics that media purveyors use to produce emotional responce.
    2. Awareness Make sure they know the difference between healthy and unhealthy fantasy. Make sure they have a clear and balanced view of reality by exposing them, little by little to the facts of inequality and injustice, but don't overwhelm them with the negative. History is also very important.

      As your child matures, involve them in your political, economic, and spiritual life. Take them to a political protest and explain why. Engage them in charity and volunteering, perhaps at a local food bank. They will learn humility and also see what it is like to be less prosperous.
    3. Self-Expression Teach your child to express themselves through a variety of means. Allow them to explore media on their own, but be there to guide them when they become frustrated or confused.

      It is important for a child to know how to properly express themselves. One great way to teach is to practise it yourself. Take your time when choosing words and sentences, and always be honest.
    4. Morality Pass on your own sense of morality to your child. Practice morality in front of your child in how you act towards others.

      Morals help us to act rightly, even when no one is watching. The internet provides a great deal of annonymity, and a strong moral sense serves as compass and shield.

    ...a few suggestions from someone who doesn't have it all right, but gets closer every day...

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  11. Be Your Child's Best Educational Toy by Quirk · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Spending time with your children learning new things and sharing with them the fun of learning is the best a parent can do. Handing their education off to their teachers won't have the visceral impact of them knowing their parents love to learn.

    As far as tech goes they'll be inundated from their earliest days although I'd work with them in bits :) and words to ensure they have a conceptual grasp of the how it is that computers work. Too often in education an assumption is made that everyone gets the basics then students are shunted up the ladder where often they can't grasp concepts because the basics learned by rote weren't fundamentaly understood.

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  12. The single biggest gift by lheal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    is you. Your time, your attention, and your approval. You appear to know all of that, but sometimes we get caught up in being good little consumers and buying "tools" when we should be focusing on the tool wielder.

    With kids aged 18, 15, and 14 I have some experience in this. I can view with 20/20 hindsight the mistakes I made and the triumphs, such as they were. Without exception my failures have involved taking my eyes off of them for just a little while.

    Play with them. Make them earn everything but love (and what you're required by law to give them). Don't be afraid to punish bad behavior. Don't reward tantrums, whining, or other manipulation, but do reward reasoned persistence.

    Reward honesty, so much that if the has a "cherry tree" moment, give praise and forget the misdeed. Punish dishonesty in every form.

    Punishment should fit the misdeed, and should be designed to benefit the family in the long run. Reserve corporal punishment for "you ain't the boss of me!". It will come. Whack 'em. They'll get over it.

    If you give them a computer, make it known that you can lock them out of it at your slightest whim.

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  13. Don't just be a consumer. by chris_eineke · · Score: 4, Interesting
    what type of tools should parents be equipping their children with, today?

    Disclaimer: I am not a parent. Hell, I'm still half a kid myself (23).

    One of the most important things you can teach your kids is not to be just a consumer but a producer, too. Teach them that using a computer doesn't just mean to download software and watch flash animations, but that a computer - any computer - is a tool for self-expression.

    A computer is one of the most important tools of today. While it is a tool for the advertising department of company XYZ, it is also a tool express your thoughts (and dare I say it) dreams.

    The ultimative producer experience is, in my humble opinion, writing a good program. (Don Knuth is with me on that one.) Programming in the right language* is a delighful thing.

    That is what you should teach your kids.

    * LISP is a good candidate since it is extremely simple and powerful. These two things go hand in hand.
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  14. To follow on that thought by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Informative

    A computer is a tool, teach your kids that.
    The internet... is a distraction that young children don't need.

    Or if you do decide to stick them on the internet, be there while they use it. Make it an experience that involves you, the parent. Don't let the internet turn into the TV babysitter that some parents use.

    And for God's sake, don't let them log on as Administrator.

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    1. Re:To follow on that thought by Planesdragon · · Score: 3, Informative
      Maybe i've been using Linux too long, but I've found that my computer is largely useless as a tool without an internet connection.

      It's not Linux. It's you.

      A (short) list of things that a computer is good for without an internet connection.
      1. Calculator
      2. Budget tracking
      3. Media player
      4. word processor
      5. Learning Computer Programming
      6. playing computer games
      7. quiz-tester
      8. Study aide
      9. alarm clock

      All things that a kid could use, all avaluable (with proper setup) without the internet at all.
    2. Re:To follow on that thought by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Informative

      The internet... is a distraction that young children don't need.

      Not really. To be honest, I don't know how one could really raise children without Wikipedia.

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    3. Re:To follow on that thought by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "If everything still worked properly, I'd give my kids some older tech to play on. You know, computers that boot instantly and have a programming language built in. Because today's computers *can* do so much, they insist on doing quite a lot of it all the time for no good reason. That's too much distraction for focusing on the task at hand I'd say."

      EXCELLENT point.

      When I was in elementary/middle school, my family had a 386 at home. However, the only thing that anyone had showed me to do on it was play games, use Lotus (one of my older brothers is an engineer, and I watched) and look up things on the Encyclopedia Britannica CD. I learned a few basic things about the command line too, but for the most part the computer was used as a tool to teach me non-tech things or for entertainment. We weren't online and wouldn't be until much, much later.

      What actually got me started on programming and truly about the inner workings of computers wasn't a PC at all, but a programmable calculator with a form of BASIC built in (I ran into C a few months later when the technology teacher realized I was interested in programming). I spent a large portion of sixth-grade sitting in the back of the class writing simple programs, mostly games and simple unit conversion stuff, gradually learning the basics of procedural programming.

      If you want a kid to get interested in technology, don't present the computer as a crystal ball that magically lets them get what they want. Present it as someting that will do what they want IF they're willing to figure out what commands to give it.

  15. An SGI Tezro by mnemonic_ · · Score: 4, Funny

    I recommend getting her an SGI Tezro workstation, while SGI's still around. She'll be awed by the stylish enclosure and rocksolid IRIX operating system running on an XFS foundation. As her pre-school colleagues grapple with color precision and flawed volumetrics, she will be smooth sailing by the smooth CFD visualizations on her scientific-grade machine. As SGI folds during her later years, she'll appreciate your foresight in giving her a piece of computing history. Don't be late; start her off on a real computer.

  16. Re:Stop babying them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think you'd be right to point out that things like computers should be granted as privileges for good behavior over a long period of time. I'd suggest balancing things slightly differently though. The occasional random "just because I love you" gift as well as the semi-regular "you'll do it because it needs doing." It's not a good idea to overindulge, but you don't want to ignore and boss around too much either.

    Personally, I'm in favor of keeping things on pencil and paper more or less until teachers start asking to have papers typed. (Maybe late middle school?)

    Some of my friends in college didn't see a computer until mid/late high school and they still have a hard time with the difference between a file and folder, or understanding that you should navigate by reading the menu if you aren't familiar with the interface. That's a big setback these days. Give them a chance to play and work with a computer before high school for sure.

    If you really want to help them though, and avoid the nagging "buy me stuff" attitude, dump the TV, or anything else that has commercials (monitor Internet as that takes off). The complaints about violence on TV causing problems might well be unfounded, but you can find any number of advertising agents who explicitly say that their goal is to make your kid nag you to death, and they don't get paid the big bucks for nothing.

  17. Re:Stop babying them by UnanimousCoward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nowadays parents spend all weekend with their kids.

    Part of me thinks this is a troll, but the fact that it has been modded up so high forces me to reply...

    So the above quotation is seen as a bad thing by the poster who either a) has no kids, or b) has no kids. As a parent, you try to do what is best for you children. I'm not saying that parents don't make mistakes, and that the word "spoiled" is not in the dictionary, but given the society that we live in where oftentimes both parents work in order to try and give their children the best opportunities possible, the weekend comment is totally out of line, and so is the whole rant-of-a-post that, again, I can't believe has been modded up so high.

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  18. Tangible technology by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Technology encompasses everything we do to modify our environment/experience. This includes the clothes they're wearing, the house they live in and everything else. If you want to get kids to start thinking then introduce them to technology that they can readily understand,see working and experiment with. Computers hide too much of their inner workings and are pretty hopeless for teaching anything useful to young kids. Being able to boot a game and click a mouse is hardly tech-savviness.

    Cooking is a good introduction to experimentation and elementary chemistry etc. Lego for spatial & basic construction skills. Get a steam engine or a Stirling engine, some magnets,... Fix a bike, brew some ginger beer... Fly a kite, knit some socks... Just whatever you do, do something **real**, not virtual computer simulation crap.

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