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Sun to Give Niagara Servers to Reviewers

abdulzis writes "Sun Micro's Jonathan Schwartz says that Sun is giving away free servers to bloggers who do a good job reviewing their servers. From the blog article: 'if you write a blog that fairly assesses the machine's performance (positively or negatively), send us a pointer, we're likely to let you keep the machine'" Mr. Schwartz, if you're reading this, feel free to send us one with "Attn: CowboyNeal" on the label.

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  1. Server vs PC by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In this day and age of super fast personal computers, what is to differentiate a server from a PC?

    Is it the CPU architecture? That can't be the case because many servers run on plain old x86 motherboards.

    Is it the OS? While you can say that we can delineate Windows servers into Windows Server and non-Windows Server versions, many places stick Linux on as the OS which blurs the line completely.

    Is it the speed? A decade ago, we were looking at servers which weren't half as fast as our low end PCs today. If it is speed, do we have some magical cutoff which just keeps moving forward?

    So I get a server from Sun. Does that just mean I get a fast computer with a shitty audio and video card? Limited expansion slots?

    I'd rather get a PC.

  2. Bold Move by Comatose51 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm keeping my eyes on SUNW. I've been eyeing that stock for a long time now. Sun has a lot of valuable assets. Their intellectual assets and knowledge are first class. I think some analysts don't understand the value of it and count Sun out too early. They also have a ton of cash that give them a lot of time and resources to develop a good long term strategy and take risks like this. It's not as incredible/stupid as it sounds. This shows confidence in their own product. What is $5000 to SUNW? Say they send them to 100 reviewers (probably less since we tend to concentrate on a few popular sites) who basically help them get the word out. Sun losts $5mil. That's drop in the bucket, less expensive than a Superbowl ad but with more credibility among those who count. Their return will be many times that cost. More importantly, once a relationship with a customer is established, more products will follow. It's getting the floor in the door that's tough. My company is a customer and their reps are very willing to work with you, unlike some other vendors.

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  3. IBM has had tryout program for years by mytrip · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been doing AIX admin work for years. IBM has long had a program to let people try out their stuff first that they thought was very compelling. Most people wound up buying rs/6000 gear because it simply toasted other unix boxes. IBM actually let a dot com I worked for try out a fully loaded M80 ($250,000), 2 B80s and an F80 and we bought the M80 and 2 B80s because their Java implementation and 64bit copper chips toasted Sun at the time and IBM was willing to put their money where their mouth was... Sun has to be very confident that this will generate much needed postive press and reviews for them.

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  4. Niagara is a very interesting tech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What we have here is an eight core CPU, running four threads on a single core. Total power consumption at peak? 80 watts. (CPU only, of course; the system itself will need more -- 220 to 400 watts, depending on the specs.) Clock speed is "only" 1 GHz or so. One floating point unit on the entire chip.

    So for scientific work, or other stuff that's seriously hammering the FPU, it's going to be a dog. Sun has never denied this. You're not going to take weather simulations and throw them on this thing; it'd be a waste of money. But for other applications -- database; web server; maybe financial simulations -- there's a hell of a lot of grunt, for very little power consumption.

    Sun has effectively opened up a new niche. Anything you have written for Sparc before will still run on this thing, but if you can manage to get a good degree of parallelism in your workload, it will positively fly.

    In my opinion (not having seen one of these in action), it's going to be either a massive flop, or a massive win for Sun. My money's on a massive win. They've thought long and hard about common workloads, and have come up with a CPU optimised for those workloads, without too much overhead from making a "general purpose" CPU that can handle anything you throw at it reasonably well. I can't help but wonder how long it will be before we see similar designs out of IBM and Intel.

    The other question I have is: what's the IO on these systems like? Poor IO would cripple it, but again, it depends on your workload. The T1000 has a single expansion slot (PCI-E), but four gigabit ethernet ports; the T2000 has three PCI-E and two PCI-X with four gigabit ethernet. On paper, it looks good; time will tell, though, if the systems live up to the expectations.

    1. Re:Niagara is a very interesting tech. by hutchike · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Don't forget the on-chip encryption - and now you're really flying! Dave Miller has got Ubuntu Linux running on this thing too.

      Niagara version 2 has taped out and will have 8 floating point units (or so I hear). It should arrive in early 2007,

      The later "Rock" processor offers true SMP capabilities, as a Sparc IV+ replacement for the really big boxes. (But expect a Fujitsu Sparc processor to fill in the gap while we wait for this).

      PS I hold a few SUNW shares

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    2. Re:Niagara is a very interesting tech. by jadavis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They've thought long and hard about common workloads, and have come up with a CPU optimised for those workloads

      In order for this chip to take over the world, it needs to push developers to parallelize their applications more. That's a good possibility, since every chipmaker is moving toward multiple cores, etc., and so developers need to change their ways eventually. If this chip is what Sun says it is, it may give developers that real push into parallel applications.

      In 5 years, it's possible that making everything parallel will be a basic principle just like making modular code.

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    3. Re:Niagara is a very interesting tech. by therus121 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just a quick reply here... i've been beta testing the T2000 for 2 months now, and recieved our shipment of 13 for production recently (ebay have been buying all that they can get their hands on!). On the slots, there are 2 PCI-X and 2 PCI-E slots. However at the moment 1 of the PCI-X slots is take up with a SAS disk controller - this controller will be build on to the motherboard in the next hardware update (march to april time), so freeing up the other PCI-X slot. On the benchmarking front, it's pretty impressive. As long as your tool is multi threaded, or you run many single threaded daemons (eg old Apache), and there's not much floating point ops (check http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/mrbenchmark/20051 207 for more info) it's an absolute screamer - in relative terms we're getting 5 to 7 times the performance of a quad CPU v440. Very nice boxes... and just wait until the 'Rock' line of CPU's come out. Cheers. ps and yes - there's no graphics card! this IS a server after all.