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Microsoft's Online Spectator Patent

Next Generation reports on Microsoft's 5000th patent: an online spectator mode for competitive games. From the article: "The system will allow online viewers who are not involved in actual gameplay to view game highlights and instant replays, as well as let them control camera perspectives. A statement from Microsoft also describes 'A portal such as a Web site to access spectator-related services such as schedules and information on multiple games and events as well as the number of spectators and participants in each. The portal allows the spectator to find the most popular games to watch, preview the action, and then connect to the desired game or event.'"

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  1. XBox port of HLTV? by christian.elliott · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I see no one at Microsoft has every played CounterStrike. This idea just sounds like an XBox port of HLTV. If this patent is only for the XBox version of this system, power to them, they should have control over this. However, if this is an attempt to get the PC Patent for this same idea, they may have another thing coming.

  2. Done before? by evilNomad · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hm, I could have sworn that HLTV, done by Valve does just this, and that it has been out for the past 5 years.. And not only that, then i also happen to run the biggest portal for HLTV doing exactly what Microsoft wants their portal to do.. I wonder if my 4 year old portal is now patented, and i should be paying royalties to Microsoft.. Good thing I live in Europe I guess :-)

    1. Re:Done before? by Winterblink · · Score: 3, Informative

      For those who had no damn clue what HLTV was: linky :)

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  3. Yep, another live one by Daysaway · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, because nobody has ever done that before *cough* Unreal Tournament *cough*.

    from TFA "Microsoft's goal is to file 3,000 patents per year."

    Amazing. Do they have some sort of Patent Counter in the shape of a dollar sign sitting in a Redmond office building, slowly filling with the blood of lesser companies who are being forced to compensate Microsoft when they use what was once an innovative feature, now solely under Bills control?

    At the end of the year, when they are around 2900 patents, what will they resort to in order to fulfill their goal? How does this sound, "Microsoft patents interactive software." I mean, that hasn't been done yet, right?

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    1. Re:Yep, another live one by freshman_a · · Score: 5, Informative


      Yeah, because nobody has ever done that before *cough* Unreal Tournament *cough*.

      True, but Quake 1 had it even before that. Way before 2001, which was when MS filed for this patent.

  4. Microsoft's 5000th patent? by vertinox · · Score: 4, Funny

    Golly... If my calculations are correct, Microsoft will have patented every idea possible by the year 2030.

    On the bright side, all possible ideas will be public domain by 2047.

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  5. Patent Protections by Swanktastic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Patent Protection of an invention is a two-part process. Step One: File for and receive a patent. Step Two: Defend the patent in court. Both pieces are essential.

    This won't stand up in court. It used to be that the most challenging part of invention protection was receiving a patent. Once you had a patent, most federal courts would uphold the defensibility of the invention.

    Today, the patent office has pushed the responsiblity of invention defense to the federal court system. The statistics bear our that many, many more patents are being awarded, with much higher percentages of success. On the other hand, Federal Courts are siding with patent holders much less than they used to. The system is not necessarily broken, it only means that a patent is worth less and easier to obtain than it used to be.

  6. No, the system IS broken. by OmniGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I must disagree; the patent system IS broken if it results in the granting of large numbers of invalid patents. The USPTO admits that this is the case, and even admits that their examiners are subject to perverse incentives to let stuff through (though they don't explicitly admit the perversity of this.)

    Defending against a bogus patent in court is WAY beyond the means of most mortals; justice overpriced is justice denied. Preventing worthless patents in the first place is the way the system is intended to work, and getting it back there is, alas, the only real solution to the present idiot situation.

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  7. Re:Anti-patent and proud of it by theJML · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, that's a good idea... I did that too... unfortunatley now there are two things I'm missing out on:

    Income from these ideas
    Proof that I ever had such ideas first

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  8. Right motivation, wrong goal... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Funny

    from TFA "Microsoft's goal is to file 3,000 patents per year."

    I'd rather have them fix 3,000 bugs per year.

  9. Legitimate Via Bungie? by Bloodmoon1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The oldest example I can think of (about 10 years old, give or take a year or two) off the top of my head of this is the Myth games (at least Myth 2, and I think the first one had it as well), which actually did the spectator mode (and pretty much everything else) surprisingly well. You could control the cameras, save the replays, everything this patent sounds like it covers.

    Since Myth was a creation of Bungie, who got bought out by MS some time ago, I think, as loathe as I am to admit it, that MS might actually have a legitimate claim to this patent. Well, as legitimate as any software patent can be, anyway.

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  10. patent defense is expensive by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Defending yourself against a patent claim is expensive. Considering that you don't have to even be making any money to violate a patent, that already means the patent system is not setup to do what it was intended to do, hence, broken.

    Add to that the ridiculous patents being awarded today, and we are completely fucked by this shit.

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  11. An even better idea! by malsdavis · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wouldn't it be even cooler if people could spectate on games like Counter-strike and the Quake series. How about allowing different spectating camera angles e.g.: follow player and free flying. They could even place a small top-down map in the corner to show the players position relative to enemies and teammates!

    Hope no-one has thought of this already else prior art might invalidate any patents.

  12. Interesting milestone by Metasquares · · Score: 3, Informative

    That would be the first patent I ever read about that I myself held prior art to. Not that it makes much difference.

  13. The Rocky Prior Art Horror Show by rewinn · · Score: 3, Funny

    "... In another dimension
    With voyeuristic intention
    Well secluded, I see all ..."

    It's astounding .... MS got prior art'd by the Time Warp ... Again!

  14. Defensive Patent by tokabola · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm certainly no MS fan, but this sounds like another one of their defensive patents. MS has thousands of patents like this that they don't enforce, and don't really plan to. All they are probably doing is making sure someone else doesn't patent the idea and shut them out. Many big companies do this, including IBM.

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