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IBM Germany Leaving Vista for Linux
UltimaGuy writes "During a presentation on IBM's involvement with Open Source, Andreas Pleschek from IBM in Stuttgart, Germany, who heads open source and Linux technical sales across North East Europe for IBM made a very interesting statement..."Andreas Pleschek also told that IBM has cancelled their contract with Microsoft as of October this year. That means that IBM will not use Windows Vista for their desktops. Beginning from July, IBM employees will begin using IBM Workplace on their new, Red Hat-based platform. Not all at once - some will keep using their present Windows versions for a while. But none will upgrade to Vista." "
Why Redhat? Didn't IBM cooperate with SuSE so far, or has this changed when SuSE was taken over by Novell?
Georg
heise a german news site has just published an articles saying IBM denied the claims http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/70532
who wants to rule the world?
Either is compelling as a statement from Big Blue, but the latter of the two is much more devastating
as it means QUITE a bit of revenue on MS' part.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
I can't say I'm surprised. In conjuction with Microsoft's involvement with the Trusted Computing Group, and the TPM hardware appearing in new PCs, the next version of Windows (Vista) will solidify Microsoft's near total control over the desktop.
Having TPM hardware in the machine at all is bad enough... if you move to Vista there will (quite literally) be no escape. The computer you purchase will not belong to you and will be deliberately designed to be secure against you, rather than for you. Vista will be the software component of this lockdown.
Now look at IBM -- for them to base their business around Vista would make them *completely* under the control of Microsoft. Their desktops could be secretly backdoored, their data locked down and only accessible with the permission of Microsoft. 100% Bill's bitch. Why submit to that when you can (and are) pay off Red Hat to work on a Trusted Computing version of the Linux kernel (google for the project)... and have that kind of control yourself?
Smaller companies and normal consumers though... that's a different matter. They are going to be screwed royally with the introduction of Vista. They just don't realise it yet, and won't until they've paid over their cash to Dell or HP. DRM throughout the system (apps and data), and all under the control of Uncle Bill and his Rights Management Servers.
"Not all at once - some will keep using their present Windows versions for a while. But none will upgrade to Vista."
And why should they? What does Vista give IBM that their present solution doesn't?
All I can say is, it's about time!
s /product5.nsf/wdocs/workplaceoverview
http://www-142.ibm.com/software/workplace/product
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
If IBM is not going to move to Windows Vista, does that mean that more people will see some more of the advantages of moving to Linux?
I encrypt all my files with Double XOR Encryption!
I believe this was said in terms of thier internal machines, not the deliverables.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
Won't somebody at IBM please think of the chairs?
We have seen that the open-document-format take hold, and now the big iron is pulling away from MS, shortly after. Given some more time, I think that we will see this trend continue. We will see more and more with ODF, taking MS's place. Even to the point of having document converters, to go from .docto .odf. This also the time to see the movement of the massess to a linux environment. I think you will see tax-programs, et al. moving because of the ODF as well.
I think that there will be a lot of script-style viri as well that will go throuigh everyones documents, ala the excell virus. The only reason that all this stuff didnt happen on larger scale, was because of the different formats.
But if every Joe-Linux Distro includeed a nice easy-top-use office, and all that, it would be easier to switch.
MS will become another smaller company.. It's innovations were in the 90s. Im ure that they will keep up for some time.. But this is a huge financial blow to them.
I have mod points and I am not afraid to use them.
Its BS to say that "no one will upgrade" to Vista. Are you telling me that software developers will not be using Vista at all? It's a ridiculous notion for a company that develops hundreds of products for the Windows OS.
Companies not ready for disclosure of things of this nature almost always flatly deny them occuring- just witness XGI being bought by ATI recently; both companies denied they were doing it- but they did it anyway. I've little doubts that they may have done this- they've been building up to it for several years now. Now whether it's actually going to happen, on the other hand, remains to be seen.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
Did you RTFA? Or even TFS (the fucking summary)?
This is about INTERNAL desktops. i.e, IBM's employees will mostly be using Linux systems to do their day to day work. They can still recommend Windows to clients.
By summer it was all gone...now shesmovedon. --
The problem for any corporation updating to Vista is that you rather have to replace most of your hardware along the way as well.
And upgrade your memory. Over on The Inquirer they're reporting that Vista consumes 800MB of RAM while idling. This is absolutely insane to someone who first started using computers in the early 1970's. There just isn't that much stuff that an Operating System should be doing. And yes, that really is 3X XP's current requirements, the thought of which certainly is warming Intel's little heart.
Seems to me if MS wants to keep IBM in the fold they should be offering to buy them all new desktops.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Its global, and pervasive.
This has been coming for a long time. Remember that IBM has been one of the largest forces behind Eclipse. Not because its great as a development platform -- because its got potential as a great APPLICATION platform.
Roughly 50% of the large enterprise email market is using IBM Lotus Notes. You may not like it, but its true. Different studies wieght it differently by a few points to either side. Pick the study and you can find all kinds of results. The counts are close enough that the difference is accounted for by what you count as client use, who gives you the numbers, etc. For example, MS typically likes to count anyone who owns Office as an Outlook user which will skew the numbers quite a bit. Regardless, the market is split nearly in have between MS and IBM for that market with small shares going to a few other players (like Groupwise).
* Keep in mind, we're talking LARGE ENTERPRISE here. Annecdotes about companies under 500,000,000 in gross revenue don't count.
IBM has been pushing Linux at the desktop in their offices where possible for at least three years. One thing holding them back has been that their own platform, Notes, doesn't run easily on Linux natively. The reason isn't Notes -- which was built to be cross platform, resulting in some often critisized UI choices. The reason is the same as so many other companies don't support Linux for the workstation. Its difficult to make a generic installation and maintenance solution.
With Eclipse as the base, IBM has spent a few years on their new WORKPLACE products. The grand plan is pretty different from what they've ended up with, but they are very close to roll out of their "Hannover" product which is Lotus Notes (actual, real code - not rewritten or made compatible) with a UI done in Eclipse. On top of that, Eclipse becomes Workplace Rich Client when you add a few plug in layers which allow managment, server based rollout and maintenance, and other portal stuff they use.
It also handles off-line use and synchronization for out of office and traveling.
It works. I've seen it. I've played with it.
What that means is that their "killer apps" -- those applications critical to the success of people working in IBM offices don't even need to be "ported". They're in Lotus Notes applications already and keep working as they have. Also, their Email client works as it always has.
Add to this that Workplace has Open Office based applications built into it as well, and a new thing called an "Activity Explorer" (which IMO is going to be the most important NEW thing from them).
Tie it all together and they can do everything they need to do without a Windows based application. They've cut themselves free entirely.
What IBM has done is not just TALK about making a linux desktop workable -- they've created the missing pieces so that they can actually support their own massive workforce with such a rollout.
Bravo to them.
The problem with quotes on the internet, is that nobody bothers to check their veracity. -- Abraham Lincoln
Why do I sense that this will spawn the mother of all BSA audits?
As I understand it, the next Notes client will be an Eclipse-platform rich client. Here's an article about it
Cheers,
Ian
The top level post was a clear enough question regarding business relationships, but one level down the argument already is about which distro is better.
It seems that the new IBM thing, Workplace has Notes running natively.
IBM is aiming for platform agnostic software client, side with anything new based on the the Eclipse RCP (Rich Client Platform) using Java as with IBM Workplace. The client side applications they produce will run on Linux, AIX, Mac OSX AND Windows
Close to 100% of desktops will play .mpgs, and they'll work on all major platforms with ease. You don't have to use "non-standard" codecs.
.wmv...It's like having an alternative browser site that won't render in Firefox unless you tweak thirty options.
The fact that it was a Linux-related event makes it even more ridiculous that they'd choose