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Music Based on Fibonacci Sequence and Stock Market
Gary Franczyk writes "A band named Emerald Suspension has made an album named Playing the Market that is, as they put it: "structured based on patterns created by the stock market, economic indicators, algorithms". They have some songs based off of the Fibonacci sequence, the misery and consumer confidence indices, and the national debt. "
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1. Mathematics is the language of nature.
2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge.
Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature
The first one sounds kind of like Pyramid Song by radiohead, but really this data doesn't make great music. You can make disjointed noise easily enough, and I'd guess no-one has any pressing need to listen to the stock market.
Maybe Philip Glass could make a symphony out of this stuff, but these guys unfortunately can't (from the samples). It isn't musical enough to not be background noise.
Experimental: yes, music: no.
Interesting idea, though. I think this could make a great backing noise to a Godspeed You Black Emperor! song or something.
It was clearly stated as being based on various patterns. As such it is anything but random. Could people please stop moderating based on opinions and start looking a little more objectively? A fallacy isn't insightful by any means.
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I think Einstürzende Neubauten would beg to differ.
The ones posting slashdot comments demonstrating an ignorance of the subject matter?
What would happen if one creates an algorithm which composes music out of real-time stock exchange data? I guess this would be an interesting project for someone to create. You would hear music related to the mood of Market, depressing when it's dropping and happy music when the stocks are climbing.
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reminds me of the cd by Mamoru Fujieda titled Patterns of Plants in which music was composed based on the data taken from plants. The data is taken by PLANTRON which is an interface that botanist Yuji Dogane devised for researching living organisms through observation of the relationship between plants and the environment. This disc was released on John Zorn's tzadik label back in '97. very relaxing. if you like this music of the stock market then give this plant disc a spin or two.
the song Lateralus by Tool is based on the Fibonacci Sequence
there's even been discoveries of the whole album Lateralus having some type of relationship with the sequence
One, One, Two, Three, Five, Eight, Thirteen, Twenty-One... Mathematics is the language of nature
THe drum line in Lateralus is a fibonacci sequence. Some folks thought that it was a clue that you should listen to the album in a different order.
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While I have no idea if this is valid or not (the band has been quiet), I do listen to the album in that order. It's actually a better album, I believe, in that sequence.
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This was already done a long time ago:
This is a bit like reality TV. No planning involved, just get some equipment and see what happens automatically. The result is something that consumers will consume, but it isn't high in quality, just cheap to produce.
I want television shows with scripts and plots.
I want music that has been carefully composed and made to sound good.
But the silliest feature of all was that if you wanted your company accounts represented as a piece of music, it could do that as well. Well, I thought it was silly. The corporate world went bananas over it." Reg regarded him solemnly from over a piece of carrot poised delicately on his fork in front of him, but did not interrupt. "You see, any aspect of a piece of music can be expressed as a sequence or pattern of numbers," enthused Richard. "Numbers can express the pitch of notes, the length of notes, patterns of pitches and lengths. . " "You mean tunes," said Reg. The carrot had not moved yet. Richard grinned. "Tunes would be a very good word for it. I must remember that." Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective agency. :-D
Back in 1991 Fiorella Tirenzi created music based on radio astronomy data. I'm betting she's easier to look at than the folks who produced the stock market music.
I thought the recent competition to make music based on the sounds of failing hard drives was a lot more fun. The competition was won by a song that was made entirely out of dying harddrive sound samples.
My dad has been kind of behind these stock methods for quite a few years. This http://www.tfnn.com/u_article06.php is specifically the method that he uses (yes, he's a subscriber to tfnn).
My dad is pretty analytical and does not adopt stuff blindly. From the trades he has shown me he has been quite successful using this method. One benefit is that at least you have clear entry/exit points, so you tend not to hold onto losers.
Throughout the ages many composers (J.S. Bach/Schubert/Bartok), have used the fibonacci numbers in their works: http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibon acci/fibInArt.html#music
Many contemporary composers like Ligeti and Chowning use mathmatical formulas like the fibonacci number as well.
So, how is this news... most students in music are supposed to have remembered this from their classes ;)
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If you studied music seriously you would know Bach used Fibonacci in many of his pieces. Most notable the Well Tempered Clavier, Composers have been using it for hundred of years.
[FIBONACCI!]
It was an action flick.
Pan-Man kicked backwards
attackers
sent by the sexy matadortress
from her Spanish fortress.
[Of course, the film was torturous!]
Lloyd Kaufman's masterpiece
achieving wide release.
Logos in the marquees
said 'Pac-Man', with the C's
rotated ninety degrees.
Troma
had a premiere at the MOMA.
Poloma
wore her signature aroma.
Yo-Yo Ma
said 'Nihoma!'
and had Pan's Evergreen diploma
shown to Williams and Sonoma!
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Should we be pleased or worried that ideas from the twisted mind of Douglas Adams are coming true? He predicted something akin to this in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.
Is it anything like the pi song? Threeeee point one four one five nine two six five three five eight nine seven nine three...
Why do we not read, rather, that "an ensemble has created compositions" based on...(etc.)
Varèse, Stockhausen, Cage and Penderecki were creating their works long before pop musicians ever tried "going serious," after all.
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PS You can get similar effects on a Linux box by catting various files to /dev/audio; /dev/hd0 or /dev/random for instance. Here's a good reference. I actually tried piping the mouse to audio once and got something like the results described; I was on the verge of recording some "mouseophone" music when I think I got bored and went on to something else.
Fibonacci relations abound in art and music. This is nothing new. A text that discusses this in some length with regards to the famous Hungarian composer Bela Bartok is Erno Lendvai's Bela Bartok: An Analysis of His Music. Lendvai makes a very compelling case even though Bartok never explicitly stated on record his use of such devices. It should be noted that Bartok was a pantheist so that might explain some of his desire to use patterns in nature.
Algorithmic composition has been around for quite some time but really took off with the advent of "computer music". Different motivations exist for algorithmic composition but they are interesting. Unfortunately, these motivations are often more interesting than the resultant music IMO. A good environment to quickly do algorithmic composition in is the Common Lisp/Common Music environment as a front end to Csound.
Stochastic composition was invented by Iannis Xenakis. He used probabilistic densitiesm modeled after physical phenomena such as diffusion of gases to compose some of his works. His rather difficult to digest text Formalized Music discusses his methods.
John Cage pioneered aleatoric composition in which he used chance to make compositional choices. It was largely a reaction to the fact that so-called integral serialism, a highly deterministic system of total control, yielded works that were so difficult for most people to comprehend that they essentially sounded random.
The band discussed here really isn't doing anything new. If they do it extremely well though, then more power to them but I leave that judgement up to the individual listener.
Well back in the days of DOS, I was inspired by ideas like this to create music from "towers of hanoi" (thats the game with the 3 towers where you move discs)
I don't quite recall the details but I think it involved mapping frequencies to the towers and durations to the height or something like this.
The hardest part of it was to get any decent sound out of the PC speakers; but I solved this elegantly by not playing a single sound, but a mix of sounds, which was again based on the Towers of Hanoi algo.
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Bartok constantly used references to the Fibonacci series in his music. In the first movement of Music for Strings, Percussion and Celeste, the bar numbers are marked in the score according to the numbers of this sequence (8 13 21 34 55), and if I remember correctly, there are 89 bars in the piece. Also, a movement in his fourth string quartet contains 2584 beats.
Bartok wasn't the first composer to conciously use the Finonacci series...I believe Debussy made extensive use of it, and it's found all the time in the Javanese Gamelan music of Indonesia.
What separates Bartok, Debussy and Javanese Gamlelan apart from the TFA is that their music is actually good. Mod me down all you want, but I'll never respect music created by some idiot at a computer who punches in a couple of notes, hits play and then decides if he likes it.
But that's just me...